About being banned

[DarkDP]

To whom it may concern,

Over the past few weeks, opinion about me and my art has been degraded because a few individuals over at deviantART and the Official Butch Hartman Forums has gone out of their way to publicly label my as a child predator/molester stemming from my fanart of Danny Phantom in NC-17 situations here on FAC. I am not what they have said of me at all, I just like drawing them in that fashion for entertainment and humor only! It's just a fun hobby like the rest of the artists here on FAC that have drawn NC-17, and they don't seem to be getting the same treatment I've been getting on the internet.

Zcat6 of the Official Butch Hartman Forums posted this after I was banned from that place:

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Hey there Butch Hartman fans,

Recently we have had to ban a person from the forum who exhibited child predator-like behavior. I won't go into the details, but upon extensive investigation and discussion with the BHF staff, we felt it was important to make this announcement to all our members. We are providing the user's information along with a list of his followers from exploitative websites in the hopes that all of you can be prepared if you are ever approached by any of these individuals.

Please all: be safe. If anyone on the Internet ever makes you feel uncomfortable in any way, BLOCK them and notify your parents immediately. If the same thing happens on the forum here, alert a staff member at once. We strive to create a kid-safe and family-friendly environment on the Official Butch Hartman forum, and we have a zero tolerance policy for any sort of abusive or exploitative behavior against children (or anyone) here.

As always, please feel free to contact me or any staff member with any questions or concerns.

~Zcat6
Admin.
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I had only joined there simply as a fan of Danny Phantom, and had no intention whatsoever to lure people to my FAC site, I wanted to browse topics about the show like any other fan would. My name was "Darky" over there, and had a G-rated avatar of Danny's face, so I thought it was ok to just browse there without bringing attention to myself. I even had barely posted anything, I had less than 10 posts probably when the moderator PM'ed me and stated I wasn't welcome at the Butch Hartman forum due to my art. I replyed that was fine, I was only interested in reading the topics inside, and I would gladly leave for them. But alas they have gone on this crusade to take me down on various other fanforums of Danny Phantom like DPOF Forums, Danny Phantom Online Forums, and various others.

On those forums, I did pretty much the same thing and just browse topics, barely particpating in any debate, and found that those places have put the same label on me. Its really saddening that they haven't had the will to contact me directly about the problem before and they still don't want to even discuss it with me personally, so I'm forced in a situation where I have to be constantly defending myself and FAC's policies on NC-17 art. I thought posting af FAC would be fine, and taking suggestions from the users in the first place was ok because I thought my fanworks were just parodies and does not display realistic people at all. It's just cartoons and I express them in a way that I thought would be alright on FAC.

As for the various complaints of behavior, in my opinion its probably stemming from the fact that Zcat6 put out a list of "supposed" associates of me. It is not that at all, they just took my fav. artists list and placed it on there label, scaring people into thinking that if they sided with me, they would be labeled a supporter of a predator, which I am not. So perhaps a few scared individuals decided they have to leave FAC to protect themselves, pointing at me in the process so that they wouldn't be ridiculed by those mods. I have never once tried to do anything illegal that I know, I just post art to grab feedback and praise, that is all that I really wanted out of my art.

I have lost sleep and gotten sick from tirelessly debating and defending myself, getting quite exhausted and feeling very badly about myself as I have lost some friends and trust from the fandom, and nearly did leave FAC on my own. But on my farewell pic "It's Over", I realized how widespread my fans were and vouched for me, defending me with the legality of fanart and heavy support from them. They know I'm not a predator/molester, you can ask any single one that commented on my work, they know I never went around and did these illegal activites. And any evidence that Zcat6 or any other person against comes up with, how can you be sure they are authentic? Because I know deep in my heart that I didn't do anything wrong, and I want to see this so called evidence against me, because I will fight it and prove my innocence. You think a real predator/molester would go this far to change people's opinion? I think not.

So i'm asking, please reinstate me on Fanart-Central, I have met so many friends here and I really like grabbing all the feedback I get from them. It was my primary site for my art, and I really like FAC's system for art. My only suggestion is if you guys can find a way into more restrictiions for younger viewers to not see any NC-17 material. My guess is if you guys had a system were it very difficult for 17 and younger of age viewers to see my art, this wouldn't be the problem I have today. Thank you for your time, and please reply to me, I never get even a hearing of sorts from any of these people that opposed me.

Hoping for the best,
DarkDP
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[Kratosgirl14]

I always thought your art was for entertainment purposes only. I've seen Dark's AIM sessions and i didn't see any signs of Pedophilia within the conversations. It's true that he did requests for some users ages 17 and under, and it's not his fault. They requested them, not him so he had no choice! and....he did mentioned he would stop doing that. He's gone through a lot and i do feel kind of bad for the guy, I couldn't find a reason for him being banned other then being a pedophile, which he isn't. He has changed his behavior a bit, and he's not that bad. He was one of my first friends. the Butch hartman forums are retarded. they but me on that list, and i didn't do anything at all, it was just because he had me faved. Dark didn't do anything to harm anyone, i feel bad for all he has gone through...

[Stratadrake]

[quote]They requested them, not him so he had no choice![/quote]
No, there's [i]always[/i] a choice.

But keep in mind, if a forum community is intended to be kid-friendly, they can't take ANY chances with whether or not someone "might" be a threat to the younger members, they have to take a zero-tolerance policy on the matter.

[DarkDP]

Well, I know about that...I don't even want to be part of the forums any more, I just want to be able to keep my creativitiy and post art here quietly. I had changed the rules for requests now, since I wasn't aware that taking NC-17 requests from viewers required them to be 18+, as my art was supposed labeled correctly with the FAC ratings system. I assure you that I am in no way a threat, you can check all the FAC comments I've made, and talk to any of my fans, they will tell you the truth that I'm just an artist who just like to draw these things. I dont have any secret motive to meet these minors in person, I dont even have the resources or the want to do that.


Well, if you are not going to change your decision, I will respect that. Its been fun here at FAC, but I know you don't want any trouble on this site just because of me, so I will abide with any choices you have to make, it is your site after all..
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[Brianhjh]

I'd love to give out NC-17 requests to minors, who cares? I'm a minor too, what are they gonna do?




but



Your case is different, obviously. You clearly gave minors access to pornagraphic mateiral, even though most of it is slapstick and do not involve models. I say just stay low until the fuss is resolved, and please don't solicit minors in forums, especially here.
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[DarkDP]

I didn't solicit minors for any personal desires, I have no intention at all at doing that. I just view and read most of those forums, that's all. I never went up to anyone and demanded them to see my art or anything like that.

Access to pornographic material? My art are parodies, with no real people involved, its their own created characters at worst. A whole lot of the site is full of NC-17 material, not just mine. Many users here were bypassing the filters and such, and I can't be at fault for that, I clearly labelled them and should be protected behind the filters.
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[Brianhjh]

like I said, even though it's slapstick and parodies, there's cleary depictions of sex in there, making them pornographic.

raw nude shots aren't considered pornographic no matter how explicit is, cuz it doesn't involve sex, just nudity.


and by soliciting, I meant you doing requests and giving high-fives to minor members who praised your art.


like I said, you made those choices, you aren't innocent here, and making a topic about it just compounds to the problem. I'd personally have ignored it myself but I'm rather concerned now.
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[DarkDP]

I wasn't aware that was going to be a problem, what was I supposed to do, just ignore them? Being such a popular artist from my work had given me this "ego" about my art. I was really happy so many people were liking it, so I have may have done a few bad choices here and there. There wasn't anything in the rules specific about that, and I already had taken precautions to not do those requests anymore, as I well am aware of those facts now. It's all just a big misunderstanding what we have here, I swear I'm not a predator/molester. Yes, some choices were in bad taste, but I'm trying to rectify them now, if only there was some warning or something like that in the rules when submitting fanart like this. If there was such rules regarding that, I would gladly abide them, and right now i'm trying to to follow those rules and be very restrictive on who I do my art for. I've made mistakes and I just want to be able to express my creativity for fun and entertainment purposes only. There should be a stronger filter system for that, or even a seperate fanart-central site for 18+, I would fully support that.

I understand how you must feel of me Brianhjh, but I swear to you I had no ill means to go with my art, I just did some bad decisions, that's all. I guess my ego got the best of me, and had made some wrong turns. I will try everything I can do right this wrong, and hopefully this situation will die down soon enough.
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[Stratadrake]

I didn't realize a ban had been placed on your FAC gallery as well. I don't know whose decision it was, but it'll need them to discuss it.

[DarkDP]

Thank you Stratadrake, if you do let me back in, I'll be sure to lay down some extra ground rules, and of course adhere to any suggestions you may have for me.
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[porcelain]

I'm not sure where to stay in this topic, but I must say that I am an 18 year old fan of Dark's, and have been talking to him since at least 40 or so pictures ago that he has drawn. I have NEVER heard him expressing desires to meet up with and/or be with actual minors. I do not know him in person but I do feel that it is nothing short of " close enough ". It is understandable to have no tolerence for the fact that he was doing both erotic and non erotic requests for "minors". However I DO know that people lie about their age. Those who are 14 can say they're 17, and those who are 17 can say they're 22 so we can't be sure, but for the majority of them, yes, they were minors, and I'm sure he saw them not as minors, but as fans and friends of his wonderful artwork.
I do not see however why he is being banned and/or labeled a child predator just because he is drawing the Danny Phantom characters in erotic situations. If this was so, many, MANY artist would be 'child predators' for drawing cartoons like disney, the simpsons, other nickelodeon cartoons, bugs bunny, whatever have you. This is not the only form or art of erotic cartoons out there. So why is HE pinpointed and nobody else? Is it for the SIMPLE fact that he did a few requests for minors?
I'm sure if he has addressed this problem and is ceasing requested art from minors, there should be no more problems. Wether they choose to still look at his art or how high they set their filters is ultimately their/their parent's choice, or whomever it may concern.
I believe that Dark should be given a second chance since we all make mistakes, although there is a no tolerance level, he didn't see what he was doing at the time as wrong, due to a very overinflated head from comments such as " you are a god, I worship you, your art is amazing " and he simply wanted to reciprocate that feeling by drawing something for that particular fan.

That is all I really have to say in this matter and what you, the site admins and owners, and dark decide is well, for you to decide. I just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents for one of my closest friends.

Adieu

[cstdenis]

I was going to just privately reply to your email to support but since you have brought it here I'll just do it here.

You were banned because of multiple reports inappropriate behavior with young members of FAC one of which includes a rather explicit chat log.

If this is a conspiracy against you as you claim, it is a rather elaborate one as I have a chat log as well as contact information of the police officer investigating the case (including case numbers). Regardless of weather the chat log if fake if it went to the police you should expect them to show up at your home one day.

As it is, there is enough evidence that I need to ban you, to protect FAC's users if you are guilty and even if not, to protect FAC from potential legal problems and liability for not acting. I have enough to do trying to keep FAC running without getting calls from police to deal with too.

If you are guilty, you need to stop; you are hurting people and going to get yourself arrested. If you are not, there are lots of other art sites out there. Your work would be much more appropriate and welcome at sites like WWOEC.

[DarkDP]

Ah, ok. I assure you that I am not guilty at whatever these allegations are against me, and I will not post or attempt to post anymore art here at FAC. Thank you for bringing this up to me, I will gladly take my leave. Thank you for a wonderful site, it was nice hosting my art here while it lasted. I'm sorry for bringing yourself into this situation, it is really just a huge misunderstanding that has happened here. You can rest assured I won't bother anyone here anymore.

DarkDP
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[pyroasta]

I don't understand how only you could be blamed for what most people do on this site. well you got my support Dark DP. I doubt very much that you are a so called "mollestor". I'll do my best to support you.

[SetoAngel01 *]

Dark, your art has always only been there for entertainment purposes and all of your fans know it. We love looking at your art and if people would go out of their way to say you're a child predator, they are wasting their time because I have known you for awhile and I know that you are kind and would [b]never[/b] do such a thing. Your art is just for the sheer enjoyment of Danny Phantom and does not signify real characters in real explicit sexual acts.

I have been drawing and posting NC-17 art for awhile, and no one has ever claimed me to be such a person and I think it is sick how they descriminate you from other NC-17 artists that post the exact same stuff. If they want to ridicule you for something like that, they should at least have some evidence to back it up! I'm behind you 110 percent Dark, and if there is anything I can do to help you get back on the site, I will do gladly.

Your fans will still be here and defend your innocence in this matter. Don't let this person who is falsely accusing you get you down. You're an amazing artist and you were kind enough to share your talent with us by posting your art, and I thank you so much for that. I'll always be your friend and fan, Dark, and whatever happens in this, nothing will change that you are a sweet person that deserves to keep posting art on this site.

Love ya, Dark.

~SetoAngel01

[Stratadrake]

Keep in mind, DarkDP, being "sorry for the mess" that you got into is like the idiot third-cousin twice-removed of being "sorry for getting caught".

We're discussing the matter in SH, but there are no guarantees as to the outcome.

[Guest]

There are a bunch of artists who have a basis on Pornoographic art and there are several on the site. In all reality a minor could go and see any of that art. So is the blame only going to be dumped on Dark. Though you guys may not care what I think it is unfair and he marks With the Nc-17 shouldnt theree be a special system to filter out minors so these things dont even happen in the first place?

[dannylov10]

In the FAC's rules what I remember stated you can post NC-17 art work, but it has to rated correctly. DarkDP isn't the only person on this site that posts NC-17 artwork, so why are you guys only picking on him? His art, like he has stated many times before, he is [b]only[/b] drawing his DP art for entertainment and humor only. Nothing more. He's not going on sites and telling people to look at his art, the people here on FAC are choosing to look at his art, and other people. Please, this is just crazy "child predator-like behavior"? Bull crap. DarkDP has been here over about a year, he had no problems then so why is he having problems now? And he'd never try to make people view his art. [b]They[/b] choice too, like Ive said before in this post. It's not DarkDP's fault they looked at his art. I really feel bad for DarkDP, "I have lost sleep and gotten sick from tirelessly debating and defending myself, getting quite exhausted and feeling very badly about myself as I have lost some friends and trust from the fandom" That's just horrible...DarkDP didn't do anything wrong....Hope you'll be okay DarkDP...

~Best whishes, and hopes, dannylov10.

[Kineticboy2001]

Woah, I had no idea this kinda crap was going on. I haven't known Dark for too long, but he obviously doesn't seem like the kind of person who would act in any kind of bad way, all the art is just for entertainment. I'm 18 and I've never seen NC-17 cartoon art as sexual, I mean yeah it has sex in it most of the time, but I never got anything more than laughs and enjoyment out of it. And I don't see much of a connection at all with drawing DP porn and child predators; there are, sadly, much easier ways of getting to minors than cartoon porn.

I'm afraid now to post any more of my drawings as I like to draw mature things as well. Geez, the internet is supposed to be a place for free expression and enjoyment... it's the parent's fault for letting the kids see this stuff, I'd like to see what I wanna see without the fear of minors seeing it as well.

[Stratadrake]

Okay guys, let's wrap this up now.