Pokemon Excitement! Diamond and Pearl.

Stratadrake · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject:

No gots Solarbeam, and besides, I'd have to use it on a Sunny Day or its one-turn chargeup would be a death sentence to half my team. (Which is another reason why ya gotta love Fly, protection against attacks)

A Sunny Day wouldn't be too bad since it cuts Water-moves by half (that's probably how I busted Claire's Kingdra back in GSC, actually), except that Kingdra has 4x resistance to Fire-based moves and Ice Beam (not Water Pulse) is what's the real threat.

Come to think of it, considering how my Sceptile fell prey to a wild Breloom's Counter, if I raised my li'l Wynaut up to a full-grown Wobbuffet I could seriously do some Mirror Coat damage. (Wikipedia lists a bug in which two Wobbuffet fighting each other cannot switch out due to Shadow Tag -- which, reportedly, they fixed in D/P by allowing one Shadow Tag to cancel another)
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DG-sama · Moderator Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2294

AH... forgot solar beam needed charging first. I was thinking of hyper beam where it's the turn AFTER the move where you need to recharge

Train Absol until it learns perish song and then swap to either your sturdiest poke (highest hp and defense stats wise), preferably a normal because they can take a lot of abuse from pretty much anything save fighting types, and just stand steady using recovery items or moves (softboiled if chansey... rest or mega/giga drain for pretty much everything else), or switch to something that can put it to sleep with sing or sleeppower, or something that can paralyze it... either way you just then have to wait for the perish song to run it's course.

That's one of my favorite strategies for tough/annoying battles

Stratadrake · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:29 am Post subject:

Perish Song is cheap, and you know the other Trainer's gonna swap out three turns later. And it's no good for catching wild pokémon, so I never really use it.

Hmm... Altaria has Dragonbreath, unfortunately she's Dragon+Flying so she has a double vulnerability to Ice, but she also has Sing.

And in my experience, Normal types aren't all that sturdy.
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DG-sama · Moderator Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2294

They won't switch it if you combine with either bind or meanlook/scaryface (I can't remember which of the two is the one to traps). Even besides the fact that perish song is a sure-killer as long as you prevent the other from switching out (and providing opponent doesn't have the Soundproof ability), I don't consider it cheap considering the effort you have to put into it to pull it off. Perish song is pretty useless in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it properly... but it's very effective when you come up with the proper multi-pokemon strategy.

Your altaria sounds like a good choice though with the sing/dragon breath combo. Give her some carbos and/or quick claw to ensure she gets first strike?

I don't mean all normal types... just certain ones. IE Blissey, Snorlax, Miltank, Clefable, Tauros... I just like them because they don't have too many weak points and pretty much any normal type has a very wide TM enhanced movepool. They're kinda like wild cards. You never know exactly what you're up against.

Stratadrake · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject:

Eh, finally, Juan is toast. A few observations:

- Sceptile is the only one on my team with a sure-fire speed advantage over Kingdra. (Or pretty much anything else, man Sceptiles are [i]fast[/i]...). For everything else, I had to rely on paralyzing Kingdra (generally with Manectric's Spark) to get any first blows in. Wasn't able to inflict any good Flinches though.

- Juan's Luvdisc was a PAIN. Having four male pokémon in my team certainly doesn't help -- Kecleon lost six out of seven turns due to Attract! Fortunately Luvdisc's only attack was Water Pulse, and Kecleon's shifting to Water type gave him some real stamina.

- Altaria's Dragonbreath proved very effective. Well, that is until she got put on ice in a single hit, of course.

- Kecleon's Color Change was a little bit useful, but not all that much.

- Odor Sleuth was the real winner here, since Juan's Kingdra tends to start out by Double Teaming you. Come to think of it, Juan's real battle strategy was to reduce your accuracy with tricks like Confuse, Attract and so on.

- I was able to beat Kingdra by wearing out Juan's other pokémon slowly, and Juan used up all three of his Hyper Potions on the others, leaving nothing for Kingdra. Except it turns out Kingdra has the Rest + Chesto Berry combo, giving him one free healing in battle.

Sceptile's Leaf Blade was average effectiveness (of course), but after one or two Screeches, striking with Secret Power really did a lot.

There was one other combo I wanted to try, I noticed that Kingdra's only attacks were Water and Ice, so a Wobbuffet would have no problem countering them. But my l'il Wynaut was still much too young for this.

I remember just barely KO'ing a Wobbuffet in a Stadium 2 battle, argh that was tough (and G2, no less -- no "Shadow Tag" to prevent switching out) because my Noctowl's only real attack was Fly...., Wobbuffets can be a definite threat here. Could you imagine what a Wobbuffet could do with something like Taunt?
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DG-sama · Moderator Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2294

lol... Strata is a nerd 8D
(but then so am I....)

If there are any players interested, someone on another site is organizing a small scale tornement. He's still looking for a couple other people. PM me for the link if you're interested. Prize is a DP event legendary.

kittyshootingstar · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:47 am Post subject:

To be honest, I never really have had trouble with any gym leaders. I always tend to go overboard and train like, 10 levels above what is needed. Comes in handy when it comes to the elite four. And sometimes I trade over a pokemon with a type advantage from one of my other games. Too bad transfer is one way with Diamond an Pearl.

Strata, you caught a Feebas? Geez, you're lucky. I just don't have the patience.

Tournament, eh? Probably won't join. For one, I have no access to wi-fi (and I can't afford the adapter yet), and I don't feel confident with my pokemon. Maybe if I could transfer over my level 100 from sapphire, but then I couldn't get it back. T_T Oh well.

Stratadrake · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:55 am Post subject:

[quote]I always tend to go overboard and train like, 10 levels above what is needed.[/quote]
Cheater Razz

Anyway, now I'm on Victory Road. And just how many HM's do you need at once to get through it, like, four? Flash+Surf+Strength+Rock Smash, argh. That [i]really[/i] cuts down on the type of pokémon I can bring in, I can't go loading down a single pokémon with all four, and I need a team that isn't widely vulnerable to a single type of attack (like Fighting).

Lairon is pretty useful for taking out the Golbats (double resistance to Flying attacks), and my Sceptile is high-enough level that not much threatens her. But I should probably be bringing a good Psychic (like Gardevoir) along, he'd lay waste to all the native Golbats and Hariyamas.

I'm also thinking about breeding Sceptile with an Altaria so I can get a baby Treecko with Dragonbreath.

I got into a really interesting battle with one of the Victory Road trainers last night. He tossed out a Muk whose only actual attack move was "Sludge", and my Lairon is a Steel-type... unfortunately the Muk maxes out on Minimizes, so it was a really [i]lllooonnnggg[/i] battle since Muk was nearly impossible to actually hit, and my Lairon was outright impervious to the one attack he did have. Took like 100 turns, but my Lairon eventually won . . . using Struggle.

Which reminds me: Why didn't they make Struggle an always-hits attack (like Swift) already?
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Lakilester13 · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject:

damn....my brain hurts... Confused

kittyshootingstar · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject:

Training a little extra isn't cheating, it's thinking ahead. And a fat lot of good it did me against the Diamond pokemon league. Geez, I must've spent 4 hours struggling against them. Bleh. But, I won eventually.

I don't usually fuss with all of the breeding things. I am just trying to get a ditto or two so I can breed easily. Does anyone know if you can breed ditto? I always wondered what would happen if you left two in the daycare, but I don't even have one...

Stratadrake · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject:

I think it is possible for Dittos to breed Dittos. I usually don't fess much about breeding either, except maybe for a few moves, starters, and Eevees.

[quote]Training a little extra isn't cheating, it's thinking ahead.[/quote]
I know, but it ruins the learning curve.
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Rikuchan · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject:

Actualy aren't dittos genderless?
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DG-sama · Moderator Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2294

I never bothered much with breeding in the previous generation games. In pearl though I do do a lot of breeding for the tradability value

Edward_Elric_1308 · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject:

I thinking about buying one of the versions one day. Which one should I get?

GreenNinja · Still very bored Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 306

Doesn't really matter if you ask me. But more people seem to be in favor of Diamond because the one on the cover looks better.

Edward_Elric_1308 · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject:

But, you don't have to use the touch-screen, right? Because mine is broken. Long story.

Stratadrake · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:50 am Post subject:

Sad to hear. However, control pad + A button should substitute for touch-screen functionality just fine.

[quote]But more people seem to be in favor of Diamond because the one on the cover looks better.[/quote]
I hear Palkia (of Pearl) is a Dragon+Water, while Dialga (of Diamond) is Dragon+Steel.
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kittyshootingstar · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:21 am Post subject:

Dialga [i]is[/i] Dragon+steel, a sweet combo when you're going up against the elite four.
[quote]
I know, but it ruins the learning curve.[/quote]
If you ever get Diamond or pearl, You HAVE to train a lot. Even with the extra levels ( I only did 5 this time), I was creamed by the elite four my first go at it.

Stratadrake · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:18 am Post subject:

Of course you get creamed the first time, you don't know what to expect and chances are you fell for some of their combos. That's why you go back to the pokécenter and build up a team of better types + movesets, and work on your own combos.

Over-levelling is just a brute-force tactic. It works, but that's not the point.
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GreenNinja · Still very bored Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 306

[quote]Of course you get creamed the first time, you don't know what to expect and chances are you fell for some of their combos.[/quote]

Not me. I spent as much as I could on full restores, revives, and full heals. It took a while but I whooped 'em all. Garchomp and Lucario were the toughest.