Angry with anime!

Squidman · Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject:

Anime = Animated program in/from Japan

Pokemon/ Yu-Gi-Oh = Animated program from Japan

Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh = Anime
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Stratadrake · Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject:

[quote]Anime is more complexe then a simple cartoon[/quote]
Eh, no, it goes both ways. And like Squidman says, if it originated in Japan, that alone makes it anime. That's what the term 'anime' is, after all, Japanese shorthand for "animation" (cartoon).

But sure, let's pick out some titles at random and laugh our heads off at just how ridiculous of a comparison they make:

[b]Japanese[/b] vs. [b]American[/b] cartoons:
- Fullmetal Alchemist >> Dexter's Laboratory
- Tokyo Pig << Disney's Gargoyles
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VesteNotus · Newb Joined: 19 May 2006 Posts: 8

[quote="Cthatya"]And then when I got serious and tried submitting a portfolio to an art institute with several anime drawings, I was flatly refused. They said that if I wanted to anime, I should move immediately to Japan and make sure I could turn out four or five episodes a week. [/quote]

The thing is, many art schools in America really aren't interested in the "bag of tricks" drawings that student applicants do. They want to see you be challeneged and stretched with each piece. At age 16, I did not know how to do that. I still don't. But I [u]have[/u] seen anime drawings that stretch and challenge the student applicant in creating a cohesive portfolio with a beginning, middle, and end. It's not enough to just draw an anime girl. You need to put it all in a context that makes it meaningful and relevant.

Anime has certainly outgrown its "this is new" novelty, but anime is clearly here to stay, so it's going to get a lot of support and backlash in the years to come.

RubyconCream · Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:18 am Post subject:

I don't me to sound like some kind of petulant child and trust me I usually take the back seat in times of debate like this and hold my tongue...

..but I've had over 13 years of this argument. and forgive me if I skipped all your posts. I just wanted to cut to the chase.

I’m a little annoyed that people easily blame "Anime" (Quotations because it technically should be Manga because Manga came first - chicken and egg thing if you want to start an argument)

"Anime "isn't the problem.

It's the artist that's the problem.

"Anime" is just a style.

To be quite honest, I've drawn "Anime" from the beginning (self taught. Low and behold IT WAS NOT EASY) and I still do today and let me promise you it has done nothing wrong to me and my artistic ability (nor has it necessarily made a god artist out of me).

I've been just as successful as a cartoonist and a "Realism" artist as I've been an "Anime" artist (and honestly I would be a heck of a lot better of an artist if Literature wasn't my devoted passion - you're only as good as the amount of time you put into bettering yourself).

Because of ME as an artist and how I taught myself to LEARN and GROW as an artist!

There is nothing wrong with "Anime".

There is plenty wrong with the people that approach it as an art style.

and one more thing...

[quote]It's so easy to make a good anime drawing[/quote]

Not true.

[quote]It's so easy to make it look good, that it practically ruins your skill![/quote]

Not true.

[quote]Anime is so easy to copy. It takes no skill whatsoever[/quote]

NOTHING. [size=18]NOTHING[/size]. [size=24]NOTHING[/size] is easy!

Only a god-artist could find ANYTHING easy and I promise you, there are none on this website (let alone the whole wide world) what-so-ever.
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Templar109 · Newb Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Posts: 10

I agree with RubyconCream...

Anime is not easy, when I started to draw anime I find myself trapped in a style that I liked but was pretty difficult to me to learn it. And it still does give me difficulties, if you don't believe look at my drawinings. Anyways, anime > "real art"*

*real art doesn't exists

Cthatya · Rookie Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 31

you know, it was rather humbling to read through this. i think i was just looking to blame anime for my rejection, instead of myself and my art. i didn't think about what i was really saying. which is why i can never become a lawyer.

not to mention i have more recently discovered a whole new style for myself. i have always been enamored with cartoons, and when i saw anime, i thought, "I can do that!" i've been tracing and copying and making some attempts, but nothing came out right. in response to the drawing of Sepultura i have in my gallery, that was before mentioned epiphany. (i think that's the right word...)

I've set some new goals, and decided i'd much rather be a writer, or an anthropologist. drawing is fun, and i'd like to think i'm half decent at it, but i don't think i can make a career out of it. plus, how many job opportunities are there out there for cartoonists? everything is computers these days.

hey, that's what i should be angry about! (not really, it takes a ton of skill to make a great piece of work with a mouse. i've tried.)

jclark_foxxy114 · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject:

I like drawing regular cartoons & Anime. Its easy for me,but I don't care. sometimes I don't like drawing hard things.

Chibidawnie · Newb Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3

[quote="Cthatya"]Well, here's my two cents about anime.

I loved shows like yugioh, pokemon, now and then here and there, and quite a few others. However, since I have started to become serious about drawing (animation, classical, botanical and some others) anime has long since struck me as annoying. Look at almost all the fanart here. It's anime drawn by twelve and thirteen year olds, teaching themselves to use Japanese proportions and distortions. It's so easy to make a good anime drawing. I used to draw that all the time. And then when I got serious and tried submitting a portfolio to an art institute with several anime drawings, I was flatly refused. They said that if I wanted to anime, I should move immediately to Japan and make sure I could turn out four or five episodes a week. Yeah, I think that's about the average for them. That's why I am PO'd at anime. It's so easy to make it look good, that it practically ruins your skill! Well, when I redid my portfolio, it was like relearning. I had to find my own style and run with it. Anime is so easy to copy. It takes no skill whatsoever. Try drawing bones, real people, animals and animate them. The most you have to do for anime is move the mouth, add a couple of expressions and stiff battle scenes that involve long dialogues and stances. I've seen very few really good animes where people do more fighting than talking. But anime is all about speed. Take Kenshin for example. He gets off a few swings, you hear some noise and you get the idea about the fight. Real fighting (which is insanely difficult) takes way more time and skill.

So there ya have it. Anyone else?[/quote]

I wouldn't really look at fanart here, honestly. If you want art, go to DeviantART or something like that. There's a lot more originality and other things going on there aside from fanart.

And anime does take skill. You're still learning proportions like a human body, minus the face. And if you have crazy photoshop skills, that's another thing that helps a lot. Photoshop is a difficult beast to learn. It's taken me years to get decent at it, and still, I'm not the most amazing artist ever, but I still try. lol.

And tip for you in your portfolio reviews.

You need variety. You can't base all your work on anime and hope to get somewhere. Trust me, I've had this drilled into my head for years. I mean it's ok to have one or two pieces that are anime in an original style. That's fine. But if it's filled, then you're pretty much screwed. And it can't be just on humanly figures. It's gotta be still life and landscapes...or bizarre, crazy ideas that you did in a different medium than what you're custom to. I honestly wouldn't be mad at anime because of what people reviewing your artwork told you about it. I would be mad at myself because I didn't research what expectations to look for in a portfolio review. But it's a waste of time to get mad at yourself, so start again and build your portfolio and move on from there. You do have talent, but try to experiment more with other things.

DesertCobra31 · Newb Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 14

[quote="Chibidawnie"]I wouldn't really look at fanart here, honestly. If you want art, go to DeviantART or something like that. There's a lot more originality and other things going on there aside from fanart.[/quote]

Actually DA has been bombarded with anime and fanart lately. Now the elitists there are posting threads, complaining about it. But yes, DA has original art pieces up for display, but they're just a little hard to find sometimes, shuffling through the anime art. (That's just me, though.)

I personally don't have anything against anime, though, although I don't draw in the style.

PuraTori · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:39 am Post subject:

If you meant "anime":

The drawings in anime aren't good. They're only drawn to be shown as a tv show. Poor outlines, bad anatomy, block colouring, but it has to be done quickly for each episode. Each drawing plays for a millisecond and you may not be able to tell it actually looks really weird just staring at it. The actual artist doesn't slave away drawing each frame... if you were wondering. If this is how you draw, there is no depth to you art.

Also if you were to send your portfolio in and it "only" has anime in it, then it shows you can only do one thing. You are no use to them. If you can do many forms of media and realism and other things there would more of a chance for you to be accepted somewhere.

If you restrict your art to "just" anime that is a ok hobby, but if you want to be professional you have to work hard, get better and use other mediums and practice a lot. Professional artists out there didn't just make a wish to become the best they has to work hard.

Plus... this is a pretty old topic so there wasn't really much of a point for me to reply. Everone gets it by now, right?
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luckycloverluck · Very bored Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 128

My drawings are a bit cartoonish, I'll admit, but one of the greatest things I aim for in real life is real-life shape and texture. I use Artweaver for most of my colouring, and when I shade, I try and visualize the subject in real life and make the shading seem [i]real[/i]. I [i]really[/i] have a beef with cartoons who use little or no shading at times, but it really doesn't effect me, only when it's a serious anime series like Fullmetal Alchemist or SD Gundam Force (which, if I may add, the human characters had [i]BARELY[/i] any shading. What the heck?! Mad

).

But anyhow, I guess my final opinion's mixed. As long as I draw, though, smooth shading and at least [i]some[/i] realism all the way. Smile

Sweetio · Newb Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Teh Rainbow

Just like Yaoi. Yaoi is everywhere. D:
Its annoying as well. :[
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cheese456 · Newb Joined: 02 Sep 2007 Posts: 5 Location: Gallatin, TN

I guess I could understand, but anime is still art so I don't think there's any reason to get upset. Practice makes perfect! If you don't wanna do anime, than don't do it!

I actually have the same problem, though. But, I plan on doing anime when I grow up, so I can really understand why you're upset. I have a lot of trouble at doing something that isn't anime, so instead on trying to make it TOTALLY realistic, I try and just make my own style that can express myself. That usually ends up being even more fun!
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maerchen_boy · Member Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 51

Sadly, I fell out of love for anime when I went to a new school. I still drew anime-styles, but they were also loosely based on Disney. Now I don't really care about that much. All anime shows that are made to publicise a card game or some other do-hickey sucks butt!!!! I hate beyblade, yugioh!, pokemon (I think its the best one out of all of these), ultimate muscle, and that one stupid show cartoon network showed like 2 years ago with this kid in a purple sweater and spike black hair, a short squatty kid with glasses, and a girl with really long blackish-purple hair.

Cartoon Network also sucks now too since they show every show that is un-original, has lots of butt humor, boogers, and other ridiculous crap.

I do think Naruto is the most original anime of right now, thus making it the coolest and most watchable.

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Raymei · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject:

Oi, this tired old argument....

Right, well, first off good job applying to an art institute with anything anime, I could have told you that wouldn't have gone well.

"Anime" is generalized in the eyes of the public, so if you put in anything that the directors could tell was "anime", then you had to have had something pretty unoriginal and that looked real copied.

Drawing in an anime style doesn't "ruin" skill or lack skill or anything like that. I'm going to flat out tell you that's a pretty ignorant statement.
If you learn outside of a class (as in, just by looking at what's around you and drawing --this includes ACTUAL buildings, people, etc, not just imitating what you see on TV), you're going to have to re-learn everything when/if you want to go to an art school.

You heard me T.T

Why? Because art schools or classes want you to be "classically" trained.
Not to sound negative towards art schools, but they tend to like "freedom of expression in conformity".
If you go into a drawing class and try to draw the way you want or the way you find easier or what..you're going to probably get your hand slapped.
They want you to forget everything you know so you'll do it their way. How else would they grade you?

Not my style, to be frank.
I don't see myself as an "artist", though.
I illustrate. The way I draw tends to stem from an "anime influenced background", but it depends on what I'm drawing and who's saying what T_T

Anyway.
To be quick, "anime" is "cartoon".
Art schools like to do things their way.
Any sort of drawing is like writing a poem, dammit. There are no rules unless you're going for something specific (like imitating a style, etc)
Then the only rules you're following are the ones set up by the people you're trying to impress.

So, get to thinking: WHY are you drawing?

angelskip43 · Very bored Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 208 Location: nc

if you're not looking to go anywhere with your art, like me, anime is a fine way to pass time. i agree that anime is depth-less, unpassionate, not "real art", all that stuff u guys were saying, but hey, at times its quite fun to f**k around with Very Happy

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princezuko101 · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject:

umm... anime isnt that easy sorry to say, it takes alot of work and practice, yeah there is harder art like reallife, but that doesnt mean anime is easy, you must be more experianced, i read a book with twins in it [anime/ manga] and the artist draws both of them looking exactly alike, you think thats easy? i couldnt do that to save my life!

i just wanted to say its not that easy.
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Raymei · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject:

Wow, that's a *very* strong statement to say that any form of expression is right-off passionless and without depth.

Not all, no. And certainly not those produced for commercial purposes as its origin, but there are some very talented artists out there that I've seen drawn in a style that could be called "anime".

you want to say something like "so and so"'s work lacks passion or the entire manga of "such-and-such" has no depth whatsoever, fine. You're more than entitled to your own opinion.
But saying something like "this whole style of visual media" lacks depth is like saying "all movies lack passion" or "all size 10 shoes are hideous".

Keep your mind open enough to let individuality come into play.

angelskip43 · Very bored Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 208 Location: nc

(to comment above) hm i see what ur saying too, i'm not sure what i agree with anymore (leaning toward your side tho). oh well, this conversation is above my head now anyway Wink

i am out
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