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chibibreeder
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In reply to Luckylace222, my idea with the yaoi/yuri filters was to just have one filter for the two (and calling it LGBT or LGBTTQ*) My thoughts on this were that it covers a more broad spectrum and gets rid of the 'anime porn' element as well. I also thought it was slightly inappropriate to have the two separated (so that one could show gay women, but not gay men) while this may be the interests of some I don't think the site should promote this kind of prejudice/discrimination, especially with so many young impressionable minds actively on the site.

On another note with picture of the hour, it was up a really long time ago (2004 maybe?) and would feature 1 picture every hour or so out of the new submissions, kind of like the featured pics at the top of the homepage. I feel like this would promote more users to post quality art and would also help artists get their name out there. I remember when I was a youngin' and I'd always be so stoked to see whose art would be up. It's social and functional!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]Maybe we could have a high enough limit that it almost feels like there are no limit in the first place. I do not think it is going to triple my approving time because hardly anybody can hit the 5+ mark right now. We could set it to 8. [/quote]
Ok, 8 it is.

[quote]So...how IS Photo Lucidity going?[/quote]
Slow...

[quote]Is it too late to ever think of a profile views system? Or maybe a "boasting" status like "Number of Users who have Faved this Artist" statistic on someone's profile? [/quote]
Fans are already displayed.

[quote]Someone also said they wanted "Picture of the Hour" back. What is that? Was it the best rated recent picture featured on the front page? I do not remember it when I joined.[/quote]
It was a selection of 3 pictures (chibibreeder says 1, which may also have been the case at some point) randomly chosen every hour that existed back in FAC 2.0 (the blue colored site version). It was replaced by the random pictures page.

[quote]In reply to Luckylace222, my idea with the yaoi/yuri filters was to just have one filter for the two (and calling it LGBT or LGBTTQ*)...[/quote]
Different people find different subject matter offensive. As a male, I don't really want to see gay content, but have not problem with lesbian stuff. Each user should be free to block or allow whatever they want. In theory there should also be a filter for hetrosexual content, but that hasn't happened yet...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]No I am not saying we are rejecting works because they don't live up to our standards like FAC's redheaded bastard kid has been doing. [/quote]
Who is this "redheaded bastard kid" we are speaking of?

[quote]Back when I first started here I was working the approval panel with a full team of users including one known to process two to three hundred pictures a day not to mention my self processing just short of a thousand pics in my first two weeks, over two thousand in the following month, this all with the original system in place. Back then it was three pics a day and users really had to work to get auto approval status. We used to get so backed up despite a team of thirteen members processing images in the APQ it wasn't funny. [/quote]
That shows just how popular FAC was back then. We now ironically want that type of overflow of pictures back. Since the 3 picture limit was only implemented in the past when submitting rates were phenomenal, now, when around 5 members submit daily into the approval panel, we have to make some accommodations. Maybe when the active users get prevalent again would we think about slowly decreasing the limit. As of now, it could only help by making this limit less of an obstacle to attract new artists.

[quote]Seriously, if you are pushing out five, ten or even fifteen pictures a day, you are not even looking at your pictures any more and if you are not looking at it you are not getting any better.[/quote]
Submitting many artworks on the same day does not mean you are not working hard on it or acknowledge your own art. Every picture, doodle or masterpiece, improves an artist little by little, whether he/she realizes it or not. Thus, I always promote as much art quantities as possible. They will slowly learn the value of working harder on one piece than the other, and their work quantity WILL decrease as their quality increases. When I was little, I had a huge stack of printer paper my father got from his paper mill friend. I was 8-9 years old, and chunked out a 3-5 doodles that took up 1/3 of the clean white page daily. I do not think I would have had the experiences for paper or artistic mediums if my dad told me "You can only draw 3 pictures a day."

[quote]It also is one of the first lines of defense agents art theft uploads. When people are serious about stealing art and calling it their own, they will steal entire galleries, years of a persons work. Only being able to submit three images a day slows them down just enough for the site staff to spot the possibility of it and begin investigating the authenticity of the account. A lot of people on the site do not know this but there is a thread in the staff forum that documents instances of users submitting three very high quality images a day, the kind of quality that takes a week to achieve. Ninety percent of the names in that thread are banned for confirmed art theft. Wile yes, we would spot them just as quickly if they uploaded fifteen or twenty works but, when fifteen or twenty works gets hung up in the approval system for days or even weeks wile we try to confirm or deny authenticity we risk loosing the user, A problem if the user turns out to be authentic. On the other side of the coin, we approve fifteen to twenty or more stolen works, that is fifteen to twenty stolen images we now have to remove, sometimes even with a written apology to the rightful owner. [/quote]
;-; This is what I worry about sometimes. When I am skeptical about a piece in the approval panel, I investigate it immediately, but if I cannot find any good results, but I am so skeptical about the piece, I reject it anyways. I feel those who truly want to fight for "their" art would come to an administrators and complain about being falsely rejected. I like to think that we should band all of FAC together with an informational featured picture tutorial on how to use image search engines to find stolen images...or something like that. -So we can make FAC known to be a "safer" database than DA or the other art sites.

[quote]We did just this some time ago with a news letter. Problem is, I am not a very good writer and I wrote it. luckylace if you want to try your hand at writing a new news letter, draft it and post it up in the staff section and we'll see if we can't get it in the mail. [/quote]
If you still have a copy of that old newsletter, send it to me through email (luckylace2012@gmail.com) or PM it to me if it is small enough to fit in a message. I am interested as to how much I could possibly put into a FAC newsletters when we all work at our own steady pace on FAC (updates and contests happen slowly). Surely, we do not just gossip on it, lol!

[quote]Some time ago I brought an idea to Denis and Strata about incorporating a friends system similar to that found on Facebook with the intent to enable utilizing the same chat system used on Facebook. The chat system on Facebook is something they outsourced, meaning it was not developed by Facebook staff and is not exclusive to Facebook so we can get out hands on it and use it too. This system is really the best way to prevent chat trolling. Unfortunately our initial efforts did not work, there were serious integration problems. I do not know if the research continued beyond the failures we had during those sessions of recon. [/quote]
By the "same chat system used on Facebook," you mean the replying and "liking" system or...? Someone did suggest something funny like having a "Poke" function for FAC, ahah!

[quote]Ok, 8 it is. [/quote]
Thank-you! Haha, lets see them complain now! Very Happy

[quote]Fans are already displayed. [/quote]
-But the number of fans is not. Viewers do not usually count how many avatars under "fans" you have. A statistic on your profile like # of page views or # of fans could set up a fun competitive atmosphere for FACers.

[quote]It was a selection of 3 pictures (chibibreeder says 1, which may also have been the case at some point) randomly chosen every hour that existed back in FAC 2.0 (the blue colored site version). It was replaced by the random pictures page. [/quote]
That actually kind of sounds like a cool system...The Random Pictures section hardly gets used nowadays.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: FAC Criticism Week Reply with quote

[quote="Battou"][b]Username Change:[/b]
...because they don't want to go through the hassle of uploading all their pics again.[/quote]

A better solution is to have an option to simply "close" their account. Equally permanent as an actual account deletion, but nothing is actually removed.

[quote="Battou"]red-headed kid[/quote]
I have never seen you use a combination of words like that in public before.

[quote]More Privatized Profiles:
This is a feature created for the end user, not administrative users. From what I have read so far we have a system in place, being an admin I don't use it and admins can see through it, that said I don't understand how it works so I have no insight on how to improve it.[/quote]

AFAIK you can restrict who can comment on your profile, but this only applies to comments - everything [i]you[/i] post to your profile is public and global.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="luckylace222"][quote]No I am not saying we are rejecting works because they don't live up to our standards like FAC's redheaded bastard kid has been doing. [/quote]
Who is this "redheaded bastard kid" we are speaking of? [/quote]PM inbound

[quote="luckylace222"][quote]Back when I first started here I was working the approval panel with a full team of users including one known to process two to three hundred pictures a day not to mention my self processing just short of a thousand pics in my first two weeks, over two thousand in the following month, this all with the original system in place. Back then it was three pics a day and users really had to work to get auto approval status. We used to get so backed up despite a team of thirteen members processing images in the APQ it wasn't funny. [/quote]
That shows just how popular FAC was back then. We now ironically want that type of overflow of pictures back. Since the 3 picture limit was only implemented in the past when submitting rates were phenomenal, now, when around 5 members submit daily into the approval panel, we have to make some accommodations. Maybe when the active users get prevalent again would we think about slowly decreasing the limit. As of now, it could only help by making this limit less of an obstacle to attract new artists. [/quote] The three per day was in effect at that time, it was the requirements to gain Auto approval that we can not discuss in open forum that caused the backup.

[quote="luckylace222"][quote]Seriously, if you are pushing out five, ten or even fifteen pictures a day, you are not even looking at your pictures any more and if you are not looking at it you are not getting any better.[/quote]
Submitting many artworks on the same day does not mean you are not working hard on it or acknowledge your own art. Every picture, doodle or masterpiece, improves an artist little by little, whether he/she realizes it or not. Thus, I always promote as much art quantities as possible. They will slowly learn the value of working harder on one piece than the other, and their work quantity WILL decrease as their quality increases. When I was little, I had a huge stack of printer paper my father got from his paper mill friend. I was 8-9 years old, and chunked out a 3-5 doodles that took up 1/3 of the clean white page daily. I do not think I would have had the experiences for paper or artistic mediums if my dad told me "You can only draw 3 pictures a day."[/quote] This is not meant to say "You can only draw three pictures a day," It's meant to say "Stop, wait....You only have three slots, which pictures do you really think are good enough go in them"

[quote="luckylace222"][quote]It also is one of the first lines of defense agents art theft uploads. When people are serious about stealing art and calling it their own, they will steal entire galleries, years of a persons work. Only being able to submit three images a day slows them down just enough for the site staff to spot the possibility of it and begin investigating the authenticity of the account. A lot of people on the site do not know this but there is a thread in the staff forum that documents instances of users submitting three very high quality images a day, the kind of quality that takes a week to achieve. Ninety percent of the names in that thread are banned for confirmed art theft. Wile yes, we would spot them just as quickly if they uploaded fifteen or twenty works but, when fifteen or twenty works gets hung up in the approval system for days or even weeks wile we try to confirm or deny authenticity we risk loosing the user, A problem if the user turns out to be authentic. On the other side of the coin, we approve fifteen to twenty or more stolen works, that is fifteen to twenty stolen images we now have to remove, sometimes even with a written apology to the rightful owner. [/quote]
;-; This is what I worry about sometimes. When I am skeptical about a piece in the approval panel, I investigate it immediately, but if I cannot find any good results, but I am so skeptical about the piece, I reject it anyways. I feel those who truly want to fight for "their" art would come to an administrators and complain about being falsely rejected. I like to think that we should band all of FAC together with an informational featured picture tutorial on how to use image search engines to find stolen images...or something like that. -So we can make FAC known to be a "safer" database than DA or the other art sites.[/quote] This right here is exactly what the highly skilled new users in the staff abuse forum is for. This gives us the leeway to approve and keep tabs on possible theft accounts until they can be confirmed.

[quote="luckylace222"][quote]We did just this some time ago with a news letter. Problem is, I am not a very good writer and I wrote it. luckylace if you want to try your hand at writing a new news letter, draft it and post it up in the staff section and we'll see if we can't get it in the mail. [/quote]
If you still have a copy of that old newsletter, send it to me through email (luckylace2012@gmail.com) or PM it to me if it is small enough to fit in a message. I am interested as to how much I could possibly put into a FAC newsletters when we all work at our own steady pace on FAC (updates and contests happen slowly). Surely, we do not just gossip on it, lol![/quote] It's lost, it was all done in HTML on my old computer that crashed.

[quote="luckylace222"][quote]Some time ago I brought an idea to Denis and Strata about incorporating a friends system similar to that found on Facebook with the intent to enable utilizing the same chat system used on Facebook. The chat system on Facebook is something they outsourced, meaning it was not developed by Facebook staff and is not exclusive to Facebook so we can get out hands on it and use it too. This system is really the best way to prevent chat trolling. Unfortunately our initial efforts did not work, there were serious integration problems. I do not know if the research continued beyond the failures we had during those sessions of recon. [/quote]
By the "same chat system used on Facebook," you mean the replying and "liking" system or...? Someone did suggest something funny like having a "Poke" function for FAC, ahah![/quote]

No, Facebook uses a third party chat system that is basically just a footer bar/sidebar IM system that gets information from your Facebook account that restricts access to just the Facebook users that are on your friends list. Private one on one chatting just like you would have over Yahoo instant messenger and the like. It's virtually untrollable, but sadly integration into our setup is tricky at best.

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It sits on top of any Facebook page and is available to chat wile doing whatever you do on Facebook.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: FAC Criticism Week Reply with quote

[quote="Stratadrake"][quote="Battou"]red-headed kid[/quote]
I have never seen you use a combination of words like that in public before.[/quote]

That was all I could come up with.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]Thank-you! Haha, lets see them complain now! [/quote]
You know they will, people always find something to complain about

[quote]-But the number of fans is not. Viewers do not usually count how many avatars under "fans" you have. A statistic on your profile like # of page views or # of fans could set up a fun competitive atmosphere for FACers. [/quote]
I'll see what I can do

[quote]Private one on one chatting just like you would have over Yahoo instant messenger and the like.[/quote]
Does it support group chats as well (invite multiple people into a chat)?

[quote="Battou"][quote="Stratadrake"][quote="Battou"]red-headed kid[/quote]
I have never seen you use a combination of words like that in public before.[/quote]
That was all I could come up with.[/quote]
The first rule about the "redheaded kid" is we don't talk about the "redheaded kid" here.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poke system..hehe I'd be poking Strata all day if that could be managed. xD -shot!-

But as for chat system, the wikias also have one that is somewhat similiar. Though it does get abit hectic when a troll rolls in. But it's quickly handled when a mod goes in and smites the troll etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont' think we should change the mascot for the site, but then that could be b/c I love cats. but no long has the cat been there? YEARS! so yes we coudl use a new logo but not a mascot really. but ti's my opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also think there should be a new skin in the main page. there is the silver and another one. I htink fanart could use a new look for those who want ti.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]not sure if that suggestion thing is still going but i didn't think of this till now: the story section, i write my stories on word so that i can do other things with them and its just easier to have it there as a backup, but the problem is when i copy and paste here, all the little marks ( , " ' ) turn into boxes with little 9's in them or something and it's a pain to go back through (especially if it like 2k words) and fix it. is there anything that could be done about that?[/quote]
I am not familiar with stories, but do the (, ' ') really not transfer correctly, or is this a problem on their side?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="luckylace222"][quote]not sure if that suggestion thing is still going but i didn't think of this till now: the story section, i write my stories on word so that i can do other things with them and its just easier to have it there as a backup, but the problem is when i copy and paste here, all the little marks ( , " ' ) turn into boxes with little 9's in them or something and it's a pain to go back through (especially if it like 2k words) and fix it. is there anything that could be done about that?[/quote]
I am not familiar with stories, but do the (, ' ') really not transfer correctly, or is this a problem on their side?[/quote]
Both. They're called "smart quotes"; Word unfortunately saves them to file as their actual Unicode characters (0x2018/2019 for singles and 0x201C/201D for doubles) instead of this being merely a display trick, and our system only recognizes non-smart quotes properly.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New skin is coming. It's an upgraded version of the silver one.

New story submission system should be less problematic with smart quotes.
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