This Site Rules!!

Jowy · Newb Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 7

Hi!I am Marisu Nea Darkness,though my account name here is Jowy.This site is so cool!No stupid forms,no stupid rules,no stupid anything;just fanart!!!!
Whew...just wanna said that Laughing

Oh,greetings to all and I invite all to see my Saint Seiya(and such) fanart.
Good luck everybody!
Marisu Nea Darkness

layzcarter · I used to work here Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3988

This site does rule. Deviant art and that elfwood place can go straight to hell. I like fanart central because it is simple, friendly, and does not have a nazi running it like some other places I can quickly think of.
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Jowy · Newb Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 7

Yeah,I myself began to think that all big sites about art were crap.I don't know Deviantart,but in Elfwood they rejected me without even seeing how I drew.As a fanartist who welcomes everyone in her site,I felt kind of kicked in the @$$ when they did me this.(well,actually I guess I shouldn't have accepted conditions like that in the first place,but I actually didn't know...)And,I agree they can go to hell!I'm glad I found a cool place as open-minded as mine!

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:33 pm Post subject:

I've never actually looked at elfwood, but I think their no celeb rule is stupid. I know people who've had some of their art removed (weeks/months after it was approved) just because it included an actual person, even if it was perfectly acceptable to the rest of the terms. Grr!

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Sanoshi · Site Helper Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 139

I've looked at Elfwood and Deviant. I've signed up with Deviant, but only because a friend wanted me to sign up. I haven't psoted anything there lol >D Elfwood i heard lots about. My ex b/f (or brother like person) has an account on their, and says its really hard to get into. They have limits and strict @$$ rules. Which i don't really like. I agree too that this site is perfect for those artist who just want a place to put up their artwork, and be viewed by pretty much anyone. No restrictions on what to draw. Pure art.

>D Denis, ya happy about the comments your getting on the site?

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:48 pm Post subject:

Yep, FAC's much better rule and policy wise (either that, or Denis is just too busy to lord his power over everyone).

I get more comments on DA. Yes, the attention whore part of me has been pouting lately here. If you're not awesome or don't find a lot of people you connect with, DA's pretty worthless since you'll never be noticed by anyone in such a huge community. FAC, I just don't like the way things are pushed down so quickly, which is also a problem on DA but...different somehow. I know there's no way to fix it, though, without huge amounts of redesign and recoding, so I'll suck it up and move on.
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Nomi · Newb Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 18

I've been a member of Elfwood for almost six years now (when there were only 150 galleries, no entry tests and no tickets). I embrace the mod/questionnaire system, because there was a time where you could surf the random button for hours and find perhaps 1 decent image in 50. Those aren't good odds, especially when the sight of one more anime stick-elf on lined paper scanned at 300ppi is enough to give you a nervous twitch, not to mention the 50% that blatantly had nothing to do with the theme of the gallery. The mods have dubious levels of judgement, but it's never affected me so I can't really speak objectively on that, but I know there's a whole LJ community dedicated to bitching about them.

If you want REAL strict rules and anal moderation, try Epilogue. I got 2 images out of about 30 approved there. A very, very daunting place - I'm happy just to have been accepted, heh. Again with the mods though - its prettly cliquey.

DeviantArt is pretty cool, but the same 10-15 people stay up top, and nobody else gets any limelight, heh. At least on Elfwood you have a chance for Mod's Choice (2 in 6 years! Go me! Rolling eyes

)

Fanart Central is a nice relaxed community. I actually feel comfortable showing my half-done sketches here. Novel.

cstdenis · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:57 pm Post subject:

[quote]I know there's no way to fix it, though, without huge amounts of redesign and recoding, so I'll suck it up and move on. [/quote]
Tell me how to fix it and I will do somthing abouit it. If it takes huge amounts of redesign and recoding it may not get done soon, but it gives me long term plans.

[quote]Yep, FAC's much better rule and policy wise (either that, or Denis is just too busy to lord his power over everyone).[/quote]
A little of each.

[quote]At least on Elfwood you have a chance for Mod's Choice[/quote]
I Will have somthing like that eventually.

On the subject of other sites, anybody know how other sites deal with stuff like stolen pics?

Thanks for all the comments. Cool

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fallenangel · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:03 pm Post subject:

There is no way to fix it completely without doing something that requires an entire mod squad like Epilogue has (which, by the way, I completely love the way they do things. The site's not for everyone, and I like that. You know you'll find some good stuff easily there. What I don't like is people who have large galleries that can get away with sub-par images due to their reputation. But nowhere's perfect) And I know at least one of the mods, who was very helpful to a few people who kept getting their pictures rejected for seemingly no reason (each time the "one minor nitpick" was fixed, a different mod rejected it for something else, or not even stating a reason). The mod I know of was very nice and managed to catch the images and approve them.

As for how you could fix it, it depends on how far you want to go with it. Here's a few things other sites have, though. Not guaranteed to fix the problem of exposure, but most at least throw a few more comments the artist's way:
- DA sends you a notice when one of the artists on your favorites submits a new piece. I know I'll scroll down the list and realize I completely missed something by one of my favorite artists on FAC just because I didn't notice it when it was first submitted.
- The one recent submissions list is what, I think, irks a lot of people. You submit something and then it's 50th by the end of the day. Again just going by DA, I know most people really don't browse the main recent submissions page (one reason being it goes way too fast), including me. I tend to just go to the section of art I like and see what's new there, especially since I really have no interest in seeing the new 3D abstract wallpapers, just like I don't care for 5 minute Kenshin sketches done in math class. Perhaps have a listing of sections that have had new work submitted to them? On DA you can pretty much guarantee there will be a ton of new work in the indy art section, but I don't know about FAC. There are a ton of categories, and I don't know where everyone submits to. Maybe only listing the bigger categories then and not the smaller sub-cats? Like just "real people" instead of each sub one...or something. This is purely hypothetical, since I've never seen it done. Razz

The way it's set up now is fine, I thought, until just recently. Then again, I could very well just suck recently. Or maybe I've pissed off the wrong person in chat, and they cursed me... But my bet is it's the extreme number of people submitting every piece of art they ever create. Hm, what if you had two separate recently submitted pages? One for sketches/lower quality work and one for the extremely labored over pieces?

Or (brainstorming here, so if some of these ideas are insane, that's why. coming straight out of my mind as I think of them, and that's never a good thing to have happen) maybe leave the normal recently submitted list and have one that requires approval to be on. I know, I know "art is subjective", but [i]anyone[/i] can tell the difference between something that's very good in general and something that's just very good in personal opinion. I guess that could result in some hurt feelings, though. "But I worked x hours on that! *bitch*whine*bitch*" Especially with the large number of younger artists you have who haven't quite developed that thick skin they're gonna need if they continue with art. I think that'd be a great thing to have, but I'm sure you'd have to assign some other people to take care of it (unless you suddenly got an extreme amount of spare time), and that may cause problems.

Ok, I'll stop with the ideas now. That's just how me, in my heartless glory, would handle it (hey, I don't wanna hurt feelings, but I also don't like seeing some of the awesome artists you've got here not recognized just because people don't see them).

As for DA, they do have something along the lines of mod's choice. The favorites list is a joke. Very few people look at it, and it is the same people over and over again, either for their fanart or just awesome skill. Mod's choice tends to be a little better at giving less recognized people a chance. There's one listed on the right side of the main page, and there's usually one per section, but I dunno if that's back yet after Version 3 was put into effect. (I know I sound like I'm defending DA, but I truely despise the place. It's the little group of people I've met who keep me there)

Pardon my novel. B)

EDIT: forgot you asked about stolen pictures. DA has a "rip report" button beneath each picture. Doubt that would work for FAC because you'd get a ton of "this is stolen!" reports with no proof, as you do now. Rolling eyes

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Jowy · Newb Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 7

A bit late,but here I am again *using an umbrella as shield*
I hate people who say 'This is art,this is not''This is ART and this is art'
Who are those site owners to judge which art is acceptable and which not,anyway?
I bet they're all failed artists who like to step on other people who are better.
Call me haughty,arrogant if you will(I know I am),but I consider myself second to no one and I just can't accept that a 14 yo brat uploads his infamous doodles and I can't do it cuz I might have a couple of errors in my form.Or that I might have a masterpiece deleted only cuz it's somehow erotic or whatever(I do bet that for these people even an anatomy book must be pornographic)
And what I hate most,is the guy as talented as a brick wall that gets the limelight just cuz he has a lot of friends!!!That stinks!!!
I kinda vented out my anger ,sorry 'bout this.But I don't think I'm wrong.
Well,thanks to everybody for instructing me in art sites.*blows a kiss to everyone*
I think we should all defend places like this one with so much freedom.Freedom is the most precious thing.
Remember:INsecurity begets fear,fear begets separation,and walls of the heart are built to provide separation.That's how insecure people gets the security they need:feeling special by being accepted in a group with assfucking rules.Think about it.

cstdenis · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:12 pm Post subject:

[quote]Who are those site owners to judge which art is acceptable and which not,anyway?[/quote]

Um...the owner of the site....I think this is rather self explanatory. They may not have the right to decide what is art (based on the exiibit in my universities art gallary road kill qualifies as art) but they do have a right to decide what goes on THEIR site.

[quote]I bet they're all failed artists who like to step on other people who are better.[/quote]
Well, I'm a failed artist, but I don't like to step on other people who are better.

[quote]Call me haughty,arrogant if you will[/quote]
ok, you are haughty and arrogant

[quote]And what I hate most,is the guy as talented as a brick wall that gets the limelight just cuz he has a lot of friends!!!That stinks!!![/quote]
Thats just human nature. Those who participate in the community and make friends get more people to look at their work.

My work got far more comments than it deserves for exactly that reason, people see me on all the time and check out my work.
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Powtaz · Oldbie Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2132

haha! go denis!

that was funny. stupid newbie. Denis just made you look like the biggest fool here. and i am the village idot. that makes me laugh. This simply proves that Denis is God.

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:13 pm Post subject:

It's because you're the webmaster. I'm here all the time, too, but the three comments I get are rather pathetic compared to yours. Hell, you don't even have to comment on anything (except on the porn ones, which I saw. I'm sure you're anxiously awaiting that story to be uploaded Wink

)

Aaaanyway, trying to fit my post around that enormous ego, not only are you second to someone, you're second to many, and to think otherwise isn't even just arrogant; it's downright ignorant and rude. To not acknowledge that someone is better than you is missing out on everything you could learn from them just because you think you're already the best. Foolish.

But since that wasn't even the topic, you're obviously welcome to ignore that and write me off as just another failed artist trying to step on your brilliant work. Razz

Hooray for FAC freedom.
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cstdenis · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:38 pm Post subject:

I used to comment on many pictures, and view all of them

now there are just too many.

I still view many random one, but dont comment unless I have somthing interesting to say.
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fallenangel · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:09 pm Post subject:

Indeed I know you did, so you see our pain about having so many submissions from a purely visitor standpoint, not space.

But as I said, your interesting comment was very...interesting. (ok, I'll stop reading too much into it, I swear. Just struck me as funny for some reason)
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Lasher · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:07 am Post subject:

*Stares* okay, i'm completely confused now thank to Fallen and Denis but okay. *stares* yeah.

As for some ideas on dealing with those who have stolen art, one thing i would love to se happen or do, is to see a notice sent out ot a few other major art sites as a warning. I've noticed a lot of the theifs tend to have accounts at other sites and of course they do the same s**t there. Hard thing to do though. And then again, just get some of the ops or moderators or loyal artist and fans of the site to do some funny drawings of the theifs being nailed. I'm trying to do one, but i've gone into my heavy "I need to paint right now!" mode so if i try and site down and draw, i'll get so frustrated and break something. I know, stupid, but when i get like this i have to follow through.

*shrugs* And denis use to leave comments on pictures? Heh, that's cool. I really need to start putting my work up here, i only got a few little drawings of snoopy for chris and heathcliff for his mommy, lol. And a few paintings i did. The painting look a lot better than the damn drawings because i don't have a scanner, and taking a picture of a drawing and making it look good is hard, however, it is a lot easier with paintings. *stares at painting* i'm very proud of my work, now only if i was a loud to paint my walls when i get urge and i would be in heaven, i hate living in a apartment. <_<

Ack, going ot go clean up and paint some, check back in a bit, to much energy pented up insides, it's disgusting.

fallenangel · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:23 pm Post subject:

Ah, nevermind. It's not that funny. Only to me.

As for people creating funny pictures of those who steal art, um, I used to have a rather...interesting piece up. It wasn't about an art thief, but it was directed at someone who was being an ass to me in the chatroom. And you've seen the asses there are now, but this dude was...grrrr. (summary: I asked if anyone noticed the accidental innuendo in the "lost in the garden of eden" picture, NOT for opinions on it, and the dude goes "honestly...I think it sucks". Asked for an explanation n' he says "I mean some of ur stuff is better". Grr!

asshole) The picture was basically of him strapped to a table with 'Larry', my imaginary fat former inmate, givin' him the hot sweet lovin' he so deserves. Cool

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Lasher · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:55 pm Post subject:

lol,

sounds like a pretty good picture. lol. I'm going to go look at all of your art now and see if i find any "Funny" comments left by our god.

Powtaz · Oldbie Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2132

lol, fallen, was that that guy that u were pissed at a few months back, and then u told people in the chatroom that he was an asshole, and then kate agreed, and so on, ? cause that was funny. i think i commented somewhere on that. im not going to look for it, i think it was on 1 of his pics. ah, back in the days where we didnt feud.

fallenangel · Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:59 pm Post subject:

It was Singy/his "brother", and Kate was in the room when he said that. He was always an @$$, though.
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