another?

NekoNinja · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: another?

i think i found another artist with suspicious art...but they also use this forum frequently, so they'll probably deny that the person stole them...

they drew this, and took them "2 hours"
[img]http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m205/KuramaCocoa/sub%20album/s.gif[/img]

soon after, this art was posted, and it took them, again, about 2 hours
[img]http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m205/KuramaCocoa/sub%20album/s3.gif[/img]

later:
[img]http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m205/KuramaCocoa/sub%20album/s1.gif[/img]

and a pretty new pic which took them again 2 hours:
[img]http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m205/KuramaCocoa/sub%20album/s2.gif[/img]

what do you think?

oh, and, again, this user looks around this section of the forums, so no doubts they'll deny it

2good2bebad · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject:

It does seem suspicious but it can't be ruled out that she actually made it

Twinstar · Has No Life Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 649

I think it's obvious that the two Sailormoon pics are traced. They are both the exact same size and everything. Just a couple minor changes but nothing that is hard to change.
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Stratadrake · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject:

Which leads to the obvious question, if they are traced, where can we find the original work?
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firehead · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject:

He made it himself.

Stratadrake · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject:

Innocent until proven guilty; we cannot consider these as a tracing violation unless we have a copyrighted original by another artist (since "tracing" one's own original work is perfectly acceptable, even if lame).
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Tuxedo_Mini_Mask · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject:

Umm the artist defently drew them him self and they are all different styles because danny phantom isn't animae... and the vote for sasules death thing OMG you can tell that was done on paint...But if you gona get all upset over this art AGAIN!!!! then I will just tell them to delete it if you are gona go buzerk over it....Gosh and the danny phantom one was deffently done on ms not traced and neither were the rest... But the cartoon *not animae ones* are easy to draw on ms... anyone could do it...... lol its funny how "you" personally Neko talk to someone you know and then go searching their gallery for stolen art.....

Tuxedo_Mini_Mask · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: umm no proof... Seriously duh....

umm well this comment won't porbly mater for a few weeks but since I am sure you won't find anything then.... and PLus you shouldn't even post a Claim that someones art is stolen with out proof... So here is that special Message

In summation:

1. People can draw random crap doodles and upload them if they like. There is no rule against this. Not every picture will have the utmost effort and dedication put into it.

2. That date is the date of SUBMISSION. It is not a time stamp for when the user drew it. We don't know when it is. It could've been that day. It could've been months ago. We. don't. know. All we know is that that was the day they decided to put the picture on FAC.

Someone close this thread. I think it's pretty evident that the images were not stolen; they were probably referenced but likely not traced as there are plenty of flaws in the drawings themselves.

Twinstar · Has No Life Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 649

[quote="Tuxedo_Mini_Mask"]umm well this comment won't porbly mater for a few weeks but since I am sure you won't find anything then.... and PLus you shouldn't even post a Claim that someones art is stolen with out proof... So here is that special Message

In summation:

1. People can draw random crap doodles and upload them if they like. There is no rule against this. Not every picture will have the utmost effort and dedication put into it.

2. That date is the date of SUBMISSION. It is not a time stamp for when the user drew it. We don't know when it is. It could've been that day. It could've been months ago. We. don't. know. All we know is that that was the day they decided to put the picture on FAC.

Someone close this thread. I think it's pretty evident that the images were not stolen; they were probably referenced but likely not traced as there are plenty of flaws in the drawings themselves.[/quote]

I think you need to think about what you are going to post before you actually post it. When you say, "Claim that someones art is stolen with out proof" that is why this is posted here. This area is for members who have found pics that they think is stolen and then post them up here so others can help them see if they are stolen or not. They don't need proof when they post it in here. If they had the proof, then they would have no reason to be posting it in here to begin with.

Also, just because Danny Phantom isn't an anime, doesn't mean that wasn't traced either. I made pics of different styles.

Now, I'm not saying that they didn't do this pics on their own, but you don't need to be rude about it. If you are going ot try and convince us that this person actually did these pics, then help us find the originals so we can compare them.

I did find this so far [u][url=http://www.familie-maat.nl/images/fairly-oddparents-wanda1.gif]First link[/url][/u]. I know I've seen a Sailormoon pic very similar to those ones but I can't find it. I'll have to go through my stuff and see if I have that pic anywhere.
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NekoNinja · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:08 am Post subject:

[quote]I know I've seen a Sailormoon pic very similar to those ones but I can't find it. I'll have to go through my stuff and see if I have that pic anywhere.[/quote]

thats why i originally thought it was stolen, since i went through a slight salior moon phase and had seen something similar to it too.

[quote]Someone close this thread. I think it's pretty evident that the images were not stolen; they were probably referenced but likely not traced as there are plenty of flaws in the drawings themselves.[/quote]

calm down, i just think it looks kind of suspitious...no need to get frantic

Stratadrake · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject:

[quote]Someone close this thread. I think it's pretty evident that the images were not stolen; they were probably referenced but likely not traced as there are plenty of flaws in the drawings themselves.[/quote]
No.

The point of this section is to investigate when we [i]think[/i] something [i]might[/i] be stolen, but can't [i]prove[/i] it. Once we can clearly prove one way or another, [i]then[/i] this thread is concluded and can be closed.

But until then, this thread is following the section rules and there is no point in locking it.
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Tuxedo_Mini_Mask · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: ......

Umm yeah there is a point... Someone already put up a calim that this art was stolen then it was locked... You shouldn't be abel to start up another one... seriously If you could do that then there would be a bunch of repeats... Listen I am sorry I may seem a little bit angry.. but what do you expect, it has already recieved its judement!!!.......................You wana know somethin funny??? Most peeps On Fac have some sort of amercican connection and that meens we go by america's Laws... And It says in the constitution that you can't be trialed/ accused of the same crime twice!!!! just saying! Wink

Twinstar · Has No Life Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 649

you better watch what you say to Strata. You aren't exactly in the position to speak. You just want to defend this so called art because you know the reason. Out of respect, I'm not going to state that reason in words.
I have quite the feeling that at least the Sailormoon type pics were traced. I have tons of experience on Paint and I even have a hard time getting the proportions like that. I recognized that pose right away but I just can't find the pic. I have seen so many SM pics over the years. What bugs me more about it is there are I believe 4 pics with the exact same pose and size (in the gallery) just with hair changes and colors. If it wasn't traced, then why not have different poses? Like honestly...
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Stratadrake · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:40 am Post subject:

[quote]it has already recieved its judement!!![/quote]
The previous judgement was [b]no judgement at all[/b]. The case didn't actually reach a final verdict, so the double-jeopardy rule does not apply.

Tuxedo, if you'd like to help us put an end to this matter, you're free to help search.

Like I said, we can't actually prosecute them as a copying/tracing violation unless we have an original to compare it to.

Perhaps it is a copy/trace from a copyrighted source. Or perhaps not. But nobody knows for sure, and [b]that's[/b] why NekoNinja posted this thread asking about it.

Closing this thread while the matter is left unresolved will solve nothing, and it'll just get posted again by the next person with the same question.
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Tuxedo_Mini_Mask · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: -----------

.......I can't wait till we go back to the good ol days where the whole world is ruled by 9 popes*selected by the people* which is of the romen religion and then there will be only one set of rules to learn....lol One day I wish I could take over the world... Lol unlikely but still...any ways back on topic. What if the artist has their uncolored drawing? would this then be closed? Because I happen to know that they do have the drawing... Reply ASAP... Ohh and I am not mad lol I just know my task and I know my goal And I will get it one way or anyother...No matter what it takes... Twisted Evil

Tuxedo_Mini_Mask · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: ----------

[quote="Twinstar"]you better watch what you say to Strata. You aren't exactly in the position to speak. You just want to defend this so called art because you know the reason. Out of respect, I'm not going to state that reason in words.
I have quite the feeling that at least the Sailormoon type pics were traced. I have tons of experience on Paint and I even have a hard time getting the proportions like that. I recognized that pose right away but I just can't find the pic. I have seen so many SM pics over the years. What bugs me more about it is there are I believe 4 pics with the exact same pose and size (in the gallery) just with hair changes and colors. If it wasn't traced, then why not have different poses? Like honestly...[/quote]

ummm Lol no ofence but I don't bow down to anyone, Everyone is an equal no matter how much power they have...and I know the reason? what the...rggg....... ok listenYou really have no position "talking" to me that way...You can state your opinion but you can't put anyone down... Everyone in the world is equal and should be treated the same way as everyone else... "Everyone" has their own opinion and you have absolutly no right to declare their position in opinion...Once again Sorry I am being sort of agressive, But what do you expect right?

firehead · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject:

[quote="Stratadrake"] [b]Innocent until proven guilty; we cannot consider these as a tracing violation unless we have a copyrighted original by another artist (since "tracing" one's own original work is perfectly acceptable, even if lame)[/b][/quote]

gothic_ginny · Still very bored Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 272

Ok, I found something on deviantart.. not sure if it's the original, or if both artists used the same pose from something else. I'll post it here just in case.

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/2455161/

Edit: nevermind.. same pose, from some official art. Still haven't found that yet.

Stratadrake · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject:

Tuxedo, equality never works out the same way socially as it does on paper. There's [i]always[/i] an unspoken, social heirarchy of some sort regardless of who has what powers.

Maybe you can take that aggression of yours and channel it into helping us get to the bottom of the matter here, so that we can stamp a "case closed" on it.
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firehead · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject:

[quote="gothic_ginny"]Ok, I found something on deviantart.. not sure if it's the original, or if both artists used the same pose from something else. I'll post it here just in case.

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/2455161/

Edit: nevermind.. same pose, from some official art. Still haven't found that yet.[/quote]

Yeah there mite be a original now that i see that ill help look.