What/who is god?

London · Moderator Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 6474

My scrollbar should not be this tiny.

Understand that empiricists will become frustrated when they ask a religious person how they know they're right, and the answer they get is "because it feels right." As far as anyone can see, there is no proof whatsoever that the world formed as stated in the Bible, and there is nothing that makes your religion better or more correct than anyone else's religion.

If you say there is proof, then tell me what it is, don't point me towards a book or a website or a youtube video (LOOKING AT YOU, THROTTLE).

You may say that you can believe what you want, but the thing is, I don't want to believe what I want. I want to believe what is right. Not "right" as in morally right, but right as in factually correct.

And you may wonder why we care so much if what you believe doesn't affect us, but, get this, it does affect us. I don't like your factually inaccurate beliefs on my money or in my pledges or in my textbooks. I don't want to waste time and I don't want my children to waste time studying something that has no factual basis and is, therefore, totally useless. I don't want your ideals of what's moral and what's not moral governing what I can do and what I can't do, so don't tell me that what you believe shouldn't be of concern to me.

Needs moar longcat.
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AnimeLover4ever · Very bored Joined: 02 Nov 2007 Posts: 111

ThomYorke · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject:

Instead of making us read a book tell us yourself
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ThomYorke · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqUsC2KsiI
Hey, watch it if you want. If not I'll write it out for you.
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thedudedisturbed · Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject:

irk

"the Bible says" isn't the only argument.
is that the only one anyone confronts? i didn't read all the posts, but i read so many atheist arguments, and as far as i can remember they only confront that one. give me something about the flood and the grand canyon.
i also heard carbon dating is unreliable, so wtf's up with that?
granted, it is theists arguing, but i can't fucking tell for myself who's lying.

its so irritating

my christian philosophy when im feelin christiany, that is based on my knowledge of Bible and my spiritual education. - without faith, there's no point to the arbitrary rules, so we can't just go around proving things all willy nilly. its up to each individual to accept or go to hell, and then try to pass it on to others, in a zealous, but nonviolent manner. but there are some people who like to think that they can just go around being douchebags toward non christians. these are not good christians. babies go to heaven if they die that early (kindergarten teacher at private school says, though my pastor points out that the Bible mentions no children in heaven, but I imagine, if that judeo christian theism is correct, that god has predetermined these kinds of things, and has arranged things accordingly. not so much the random creation and passing of souls, but happenings in the lives of already existing souls.) god is angry and destroys in the old testament, but that is before christ, and sins have not been paid for in blood yet. you sin and don't sacrifice and do the best you can=fire from the sky. but now we have christ and we reach him through prayer.

moar would be waaay too long.
input the supposedlys where you know they ought to go, and I apologize for typos.
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Selphius · Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject:

Why does everyone think I'm atheist?
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ThomYorke · Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject:

Shit I didn't say that D:
Wait I don't get what Disturbed's argument was?
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jhonenfreak · Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:

God's what ever the individual wants it to be, whether or not the term "god" is even used. God is like art, in that aspect. It's all in the individual's perspective. Some say God is a vengeful man with a beard and a booming voice who resides in Heaven to smite all the sinful humans below, others believe that God is Mother Nature and Father Time combined. Some just believe that God is that variable "x" in the big question of how things happen. As soon as we discover something, that part of "x" is solved, and God remains the answer to all the other unanswered questions.
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thedudedisturbed · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:46 am Post subject:

PhilTheFreak · Newb Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 12

Now I've only gotten the jist of this conversation by reading the first and last page, more like skimming, but there's really only one thing I can say... GET OVER YOURSELVES! And you people wonder why the world hates christians? You people have gone from helping people and sticking to morals to a fricken cult trying to convert the world! Does it really matter what religion people believe in? As long as they have good morals and peace of mind. Isn't that what your god tries to teach people?

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NorseGodOdin · Oldbie Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 2194 Location: Bulgaria

God is a faith based being. So none of us have a reason to believe in Him.

You can't prove that which leaves no evidence behind it.
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Emrys · Forum Stalker Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 1544

What I don't understand is why people from the US would base their life off of something written in the middle east... Do you actually think that the isrealites are god's chosen people? now do you view yourself as god's chosen religion just because you're christian? You're not isrealite so get a grip!

The bible is a book written to compile all the religious writings of the 3rd century so that one man could rule with religion at his back and then use the name of that religion to kill off anyone and everyone that opposed him.

*rollz eyez*

The most common version of your holy book (interjects sarcasm) was written in 1604 by King James to withdraw from the Roman Catholic church just so he could divorce his wife and have her beheaded. And this is your book of religion!!?

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thedudedisturbed · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:16 am Post subject:

thedudedisturbed · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:16 am Post subject:

double gayness hurrayz
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