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HoBunny Rookie

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: Atheism Clarification |
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What is atheism? Do they believe in evolution? Or do they not believe in anything? Although evolution does not involve the belief in a higher power, it is still a belief that we came from somewhere. So do atheists believe in evolution or do they just not believe in anything all together? I am not saying that I think atheism is right or wrong. I just want clarification on exactly what it is. |
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cstdenis Evil Overlord

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Atheism is the belief that gods do not exist. There isn't really more to it than that.
Quote: | Although evolution does not involve the belief in a higher power, it is still a belief that we came from somewhere. |
Evolution isn't some beleif like religion, it's simple scientific fact. This scientific fact is not inherently incompatible with religious belief in a higher power.
Evolution itself does not specify what causes or controls evolution, simply that it happens. Evolution caused by or controlled by a god is a perfectly reasonable theory. Evolution by random mutation and natural selection is just the most common theory on how it works. _________________ You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. |
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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The first part of the above post is good. The second part is not.
Evolution being controlled by a god or some higher being is called "intelligent design," not "evolution." It cannot be validly termed a "theory." _________________ Go Yankees! |
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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So does that mean athiesm does no beleive in evolution? |
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Right. Atheism has nothing to do with evolution. _________________ Go Yankees! |
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: |
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setzaroth Cold Warrior

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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most atheists I talk to in person dont care either way. |
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SolarisAugmentium Forum Stalker

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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i don't believe in anything at all. people say I'm an atheist but I'm not. I'm not shit. I don't associate myself with any belief religious or whatever. i don't like being branded with religious tags _________________ Day's of Our E-Lives. My favorite show. |
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Brianhjh

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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"I fit all of your descriptions but I'm not that description because I don't like fitting in descriptions"
"Like a 13-year old is not a 13-year old when he doesn't want to be called 13-year old" _________________
"Sarah's future makes me sad." - Benk |
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SolarisAugmentium Forum Stalker

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Quote: | I fit all of your descriptions | How do I fit the description of any religious follower? And that makes the rest moronic babble. You have failed yet again. _________________ Day's of Our E-Lives. My favorite show. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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An atheist is not a religious follower. Atheism is not a religion itself. If you reject the idea of gods, you are an atheist. It's a word that describes what you are, it's not a club that you join. _________________ Go Yankees! |
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Brianhjh

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | i don't believe in anything at all. |
Quote: | I don't associate myself with any belief religious or whatever. |
Atheist. _________________
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SolarisAugmentium Forum Stalker

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Atheists believe that science and evolution takes precedence over religions that focus on a god. I don't worry nor care about where the universe came from or why it exists. I am a believer of nothing but freedom of Speech, something you seem to hate. _________________ Day's of Our E-Lives. My favorite show. |
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SweetxinsanityxSarah Elder Than Dirt

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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And here I thought just religious speeches brought about wars -snicker- _________________ Our life is made by the death of others...
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Brianhjh

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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SolarisAugmentium wrote: | Atheists believe that science and evolution takes precedence over religions that focus on a god. |
No it doesn't. "Atheist" is a simple definition, it means those who do not believe in God, for whatever reason. "Theist" is those who do.
As you can probably imagine, one of the reason why atheists don't have strong central authority is because it's a loose group of different ideologies. It's loose because the definition itself is loose. _________________
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SolarisAugmentium Forum Stalker

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Quote: | No it doesn't. "Atheist" is a simple definition, it means those who do not believe in God, for whatever reason. "Theist" is those who do. |
Quote: | It's loose because the definition itself is loose. |
Contradictory post is contradictory. _________________ Day's of Our E-Lives. My favorite show. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Atheism is not the worship of science. It is true that many atheists believe in evolution, big bang, etc, but it's not a requirement. The only thing that atheists all have in common is that they don't believe in gods. _________________ Go Yankees! |
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Brianhjh

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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SolarisAugmentium wrote: | Quote: | No it doesn't. "Atheist" is a simple definition, it means those who do not believe in God, for whatever reason. "Theist" is those who do. |
Quote: | It's loose because the definition itself is loose. |
Contradictory post is contradictory. |
It's not contradictory, most simple definitions are loose. "Man" is a specie of animal that is well, us. It's simple because it doesn't need many words to specify it, but it's loose because it could well take many, many groups, that are completely different from each other. children, old people, Sarah Palin, etc. _________________
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SweetxinsanityxSarah Elder Than Dirt

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Does this make Edward Elric of FMA an Atheist? I did hear him say to Scar that he stopped believing in god after all what happened to him when Scar told him to start praying when he was going to try and kill him after blasting Ed's arm off. _________________ Our life is made by the death of others...
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Brianhjh

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Edward Elric is not real. _________________
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