What irks you when drawing?

SweetxinsanityxSarah · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: What irks you when drawing?

Boredom strikes again so I posted this lil thread. There is always something that annoys us when we are drawing something. Like a certian part of a picture that wont cooperate with us til we get really anal with it or do the picture completely over again until it is just the way we want it.

For example it can be hands, anatomy, backrounds, clothing, furr details, eyes, designs, etc.

Myself; it would have to be the hands, hair (usually when it is crazy spikey Vice is a good example of this), and eyes along with the clothes, baggy clothes are my weakpoint along with detail to backrounds.
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xEdwardx · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject:

It's very hard for me to draw hands. I have read pretty much every hands tutorial there is and even used my own hands as reference and they either come out backwards or come out oddly-shaped.

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everything.i cant draw for fucking dick.
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Battou · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject:

Hands and feet...I can't draw a hand or foot to save my life.
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London · Moderator Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 6474

Take a picture of a hand. Or look at the hand with which you're not drawing. Draw it. Change positions. Draw it again. Do this over and over. If it still looks wonky, draw a grid over your ref and a grid lightly over your paper and use that to help guide you. Do this over and over. It's not that difficult. If you still can't do it, you're not getting enough practice.

I think most people can become technically competent at drawing if you put enough time into it.

I have difficulty drawing anything interesting. My gallery is full of boring headshots because I lack the patience to finish anything more complicated, and I lack the skill/creativity to come up with dynamic poses and balanced compositions. :V
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xEdwardx · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject:

I have tried everything and I still can't draw hands correctly. I just hide them in my drawing since they look so deformed. Maybe that's why I like drawing animals better. C:

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If you're hiding them, you won't get better. Keep practicing.
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xEdwardx · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject:

I have been, you know, opeing up a blank canvas and just sketching my left hand and references but they come out as blobs with sausage fingers or the hand may be reversed. I'm just better at animals than humans.

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Your animals don't look particularly.. correct. I know shit about dogs, but I can draw a dog and most people won't notice if I've made any major errors. I suspect this is because humans mostly look the same and we're so used to seeing them all the time that if you make a mistake when you draw a person, it's pretty obvious. Dogs are all sorts of weird shapes and sizes so a half assed approximation of a dog looks like a dog and not a half assed approximation of a dog.
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Battou · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject:

[quote="London"]Take a picture of a hand. Or look at the hand with which you're not drawing. Draw it. Change positions. Draw it again. Do this over and over. If it still looks wonky, draw a grid over your ref and a grid lightly over your paper and use that to help guide you. Do this over and over. It's not that difficult. If you still can't do it, you're not getting enough practice.

I think most people can become technically competent at drawing if you put enough time into it.

I have difficulty drawing anything interesting. My gallery is full of boring headshots because I lack the patience to finish anything more complicated, and I lack the skill/creativity to come up with dynamic poses and balanced compositions. :V[/quote]

The biggest part of my problem is scale, I can rarely get them the right size....and when I doo they end up all sausage like.

I mean seriously....these pictures the hands are way too small
http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-483072.html
http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-674256.html

And then there are these...boxing gloves for lack of a better phrase
http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-682944.html

Prolly the best hands I've done are cartoon hands that don't even look real.
Hands like these
http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-739242.html
http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-635478.html

Prolly my best set of semi real looking hands....even then they are not great and it's only the one
http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-692109.html

If you look through my gallery you can see that I have been trying to bring hands to the foreground as opposed to hiding them but....still hands and feet just irk me during the drawing process, many drawings never get completed because of hands.
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London · Moderator Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 6474

Use a full body ref to get the size right.

Think of each individual finger as three short tubes instead of one long bendy tube. I find this helps prevent the sausage look.

Also fingernails. This is my biggest pet peeve.
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SolarisAugmentium · Forum Stalker Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 1155

I think I could do better if i could get the antomy right...my shit always comes out looking like some kind of defored cripple or a tranny.
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Battou · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject:

[quote="London"]Use a full body ref to get the size right.

Think of each individual finger as three short tubes instead of one long bendy tube. I find this helps prevent the sausage look.

Also fingernails. This is my biggest pet peeve.[/quote]

I try to use the three tube approach, the results very, sometimes it exaserbates the sausage problem.
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xEdwardx · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject:

Same here. I try using lines, circles, and rods to help me draw the fingers but they still come out too fat.

Some examples of how I draw hands:

http://edwardelric1308.deviantart.com/art/Art-Trade-Savannah-138337952
http://edwardelric1308.deviantart.com/art/Borthday-139129977
http://edwardelric1308.deviantart.com/art/100-TC-Precious-141267664

luckylace222 · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject:

[quote]I lack the skill/creativity to come up with dynamic poses and balanced compositions. :V[/quote]
If you can't find the right ideas or creativity inspiration, go outside and look at some nature. Actually, it doesn't even have to be nature. It can be the streets, a large building, a crowded area, or your backyard. I believe there are more interesting ideas outside then the inside.

Or take some inspiration from photographers who find interesting things all over the place. This is my favorite photography at the moment:

http://1x.com/photo/random/

C; His pictures are high-quality and quite beautiful.

Also, MY biggest problem with my art is...the coloring. The lineart(hands, eyes, body...etc) is satisfying, but the coloring takes so long because I'm a perfectionist. ]; I just don't feel I have the patience to fill in every single body part with a variation of hues.

In all of my pictures, the coloring takes up most of the time. I think Photoshop coloring takes me longer to do then traditional. I think.
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xEdwardx · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject:

Coloring and shading take up most of my time. In the beginning I used to shade with dodge and burn and now I cell-shade which takes me longer to complete a drawing plus it looks better than the dodge and burn shading I used to do.

SweetxinsanityxSarah · Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:15 am Post subject:

I did what London said when it comes to looking at your own hand. I made a really good one as a doodle out of boredom, I cant remember who's hand it was representing though...but I think the slash along the wrist hinted it was Sesshoumaru's hand I was basing it off of...might have to fix the fingernails though cause his nails are a normal color, not black x3x

Also when it came to my pic "The tainted heart evil sora" I looked at my own hand through a mirror and it turned out rather well. Shading can be abit tricky for me if im not concentrating. I have yet to get back into the shading phase I was in back when I drew pics for highschool. Man if only I could show those pics but they are soo huge >3<
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Brianhjh · Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:00 am Post subject:

Drawing anatomy for me is like Math.

I forget how to draw after a semester.

I did some wicked hand and nude drawings a year ago and I can't reproduce them.

There's gonna be lots of live models next semester, so hopefully I remember.
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I used to have really bad hand problems. I drew them too large. I solved most of my hand problems with one drawing. I came across a photo where the hands looked really incredible, inspiring, actually. I drew it and really loved the results. From then on I've loved drawing hands. I still have problems with them, but at least now it's not frustrating. And I think I'm getting better.

Hair. Hair is the worst for me. I hate it, it's difficult for me.
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SweetxinsanityxSarah · Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:03 am Post subject:

[quote="unfocused"]

Hair. Hair is the worst for me. I hate it, it's difficult for me.[/quote]

Dont draw Vice of Ultimo then, his hair would frustrate you like you wouldnt effing believe xD seriously I am STILL fixing spots on his hair I screwed up on, oi. x-x
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