More Mary-sue-hating Goodness

silver_dreams · Elder Than Dirt Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 5102

found this today on, surprisingly, a stie run by a proudly-proclaimed fangirl. the perfect sterotype for mary-sue-making, no?

Actually, the opposite.

Rant can be found here: http://www.anycities.com/user1/ghostofdawn...ws/marysue.html

edit: or this, which is much more blunt: http://www.geocities.com/katanagari/storyp...ue_rant_web.htm

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject:

WOHOO!!! Mary Sue must DIE!!! although she seems to pop up in my fics too...

silver_dreams · Elder Than Dirt Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 5102

i took a random quiz about whether or not your character is a Mary-Sue, and surprisingly, i got the 'fairly mary-sue' result..

...not surprising ify ou consider i was couting for at least 15 of my RP characters Rolling eyes

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:47 pm Post subject:

really? where's the quiz?

LadyoftheDeadlyDance · Forum Stalker Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 1144

Indeed, this I would like to see as well. ^.^

Gawd...you're fairly mary-sue...with all your characters? XD What, MPD ridden Aiden isn't bad enough for 'em?

PandaPants · Member Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 67

[i]PP: Ah yes, much fun. Unfortunately, I have a knack for writing Mary Sue characters, or so I've been told (Those tests are evil. >.< ). Who knew that a loud-mouthed, crossdressing boy with ADD or an albino 'bitch-hermit' (thank you, Foamy the squirrel, for that most endearing term. Praise the lord and master. :heart: ) with obsessive-compulsive tendencies up the ying-yang could be a Mary Sue? Scary-ness...

Amusingly, they're not really fan characters. They may've started out as such, but have since them evolved many times over (mostly the albino) to develop their own stories. Writing is not my forte, and fanfiction is a big no-no in my book. I like to write, but I prefer to use my own characters, if only to ensure that they're acting like they should. However, because of that, the first rant kind of threw me slightly, especially when it came to relationships. I was trying to develop the crossdresser's biography, but when I got to that part, I was stumped. In this case, I was trying to develop one character at a time, if only because my poor little brain can't handle very much. This proved to be a problem with that section. How could I define my character's relationships with other characters if I didn't even know who the others were? I have yet to read the second rant, as my computer is being a retard and won't load the blurdy page. ::grumblegrumble::

Anyway! I have many...interesting... stories to tell of my experiences with Mary Sues and the fangirls who write them. However, I doubt that they have any place in this forum.

In closing, Mary Sues and their fangirl authors must S.U.F.F.E.R! XD[/i]

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject:

... um, didn't you say at the beginning you have a habit of writing Mary Sue's? So doesn' that mean you're asking yourself to suffer?

PandaPants · Member Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 67

[i]PP: Aha! But I didn't claim myself to be a 'fangirl author', now did I? I simply said that my characters always seem to be classified as Mary Sues by those random tests for some reason. >>;

So, I didn't really say that [b]I[/b] needed to suffer. I said that Mary Sues need to (sorry, guys ::huggles random RP characters classified as such:: ) as well as the rabid fangirls who write them.[/i]

silver_dreams · Elder Than Dirt Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 5102

[quote="LadyoftheDeadlyDance (LDD)"]

Gawd...you're fairly mary-sue...with all your characters? XD What, MPD ridden Aiden isn't bad enough for 'em? [/quote]
noo, using all of my RP characters alltogether...which, as you know, is NOT a small amount X_x

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject:

I believe you.

LightningAurora · Still very bored Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 370

By my reckoning, after careful examination of all of the Mary-Sue tests I've found, it is NIGH-ON impossible to get a character who is not at all a Mary-Sue. I've found so many contradictions between tests it's stupid.

Isn't a Mary-Sue, basically, an overly perfect, beautiful girl of around 17 who has the most amazing voice and makes the main guy fall in love with her, yet despite this has some inner torment/secret past, yet is able to act like never happened and doesn't affect her on the outside in any way?

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject:

In a bundle, yes. Although Mary-Sue's can appear in much more subtle ways that make them less obvious but still there. Like for instance, if you've read the series Lies Unfolding. It's a very renowned book for having MAry-Sue's, yet the author purposely made it so subtle, that you don't notice Lilane is a Mary-Sue until the 5th book or something. Which is why people still enjpy reading it. It is very to relate to everyday life, yet there is this perfect character in the mist just you can't tell. So not neccarily in all cases.

LightningAurora · Still very bored Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 370

Sounds interesting. Maybe I should check it out to see what you mean.

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:54 am Post subject:

Kay, it's still a good book. It's a pretty old book, written quite a whiles ago.

TenthDivine · Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I agree that Mary Sues are like...not good, to put it as simple as I can...or feel like putting right now.

I can also admit to having made a few Mary Sue stories here and there but over time, I kept reinventing the characters so much that the Mary Sue-ness of them is...really incredibly subtle...and stretched out, even. Meaning... I may tend to use more than one character to project whatever qualities I like about myself (which are few and far in between) for a Mary Sue that's...you know, kinda unconventional. Multi-segmented? I dunno a word for it. I don't have a good example I can think of for this, but I do it O_O

And I took that Mary Sue quiz, or at least A mary Sue quiz. It said I was probably not a Mary Sue author type person or whatever. Gotta love that probably part. Razz

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject:

uh, ok? your second part confused me...

TenthDivine · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:

[quote="SilentSoul92 (Rita)"] uh, ok? your second part confused me... [/quote]
. . . .

I have no way of explaining it any better than I could right there. I guess you'll just have to be confused...until I learn how to give examples...which won't be anytime soon, I reckon. *angsts*

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:55 am Post subject:

o, I reread it. How bout this: Basically you're saying you use more than one character and each one contains a peice of your personality. The way, they won't be Mary Sue, but at the same time, they have your qualities.
That right?

TenthDivine · Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject:

[quote="SilentSoul92 (Rita)"] o, I reread it. How bout this: Basically you're saying you use more than one character and each one contains a peice of your personality. The way, they won't be Mary Sue, but at the same time, they have your qualities.
That right? [/quote]
Yeah, that's what I was...trying to say. Good thing one person got it >_> Let me hope others do just as easily.

SilentSoul92 · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject:

well, once I reread it, it made sense.