Mm.org Vs. Ff.net

[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

Okay, so most of us know about FF.net, a place where we can post fanfictions, good or bad. But now, FF.net has reduced their collection to only harboring R-G fics, with no lemons allowed.

And then there is MediaMiner. Allowing Lemons, Threeways and the like, it seems to be growing in popularity.

So what do you think? Do you like Media Miner better, or FF.net? Here's your chance to bitch about both, and have a rabid brawl over which one pwns the other.

[silver_dreams]

i like mm.org better.

especially now that i've had to argue for half an hour to keep one of my accounts there running because there are three people using it (<_<)

but now the account is like an expiriment to see if they should allow it, so i'm not going anywhere

[silver_dreams]

[quote="akutatsu_no_kuno_hi (zinovia)"] Three people are using it?
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yeah.

two of us because we're doing a couple of very long (10 chapters at least) collaboration fics, and the other jsut because.

hey, i'm runnign a website with 3 other people @_@

[Paru]

MediaMiner is better.

Don't get me wrong, there is some great stuff at FF.net, but it's just not worth an hour of sifting through garbage to find something good. <_<
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[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

Eh, I'm torn between the two.

I like FF.net because it's slighly more organized than MM.org, you get a lot of reviews compaired to MM.org, and I have found quite a few really really great fics there. (I actually like some of the Plot what Plots, when I'm feeling silly, but the jokes get old fast.)

BUT, I like MM.org because you get a wider range of fics to read, sometimes with better context. Like I said before in another thread, I really do believe a lemon scene can inhance a story.

But the thing that I don't get is the fact that even though FF.net has been cracking down on lemon fics, the lime fics still remain. So which to they want? Some smut, or absolutely no smut? And I don't want to risk getting banned because some whistle blower considers my lime a lemon. They really need to have at least some type of warning.

[silver_dreams]

[quote="LadyoftheDeadlyDance (LDD)"] Eh, I'm torn between the two.

I like FF.net because it's slighly more organized than MM.org, you get a lot of reviews compaired to MM.org, and I have found quite a few really really great fics there. (I actually like some of the Plot what Plots, when I'm feeling silly, but the jokes get old fast.)

BUT, I like MM.org because you get a wider range of fics to read, sometimes with better context. Like I said before in another thread, I really do believe a lemon scene can inhance a story.

But the thing that I don't get is the fact that even though FF.net has been cracking down on lemon fics, the lime fics still remain. So which to they want? Some smut, or absolutely no smut? And I don't want to risk getting banned because some whistle blower considers my lime a lemon. They really need to have at least some type of warning. [/quote]
NC-17 fics aren't all just smut.

it's stupid to ban them.

[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

[quote]NC-17 fics aren't all just smut.[/quote]

I know, and I agree it is stupid to ban them. If somebody doesn't want to read a fanfic with excessive gore and a controversial story line, then it should be their choice. I mean, the fact that it says "NC-17" states that the fic is for mature audiences only.

But the only reason why it was banned was for the lemons, I do believe. I mean, you can describe somebody getting dismembered in gruesome detail without it being considered NC-17, when it most certainly should be.

[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

[quote]ff.net does allow lemons, otherwise I wouldn't have seen any whatsoever[/quote]

Really? Last time I heard they stated absolutely no lemons, unless I am mistaken.

[quote]Akira is a good example, for it is both extermely violent and philisophical. [/quote]

That's true. Whoa boy did that blow my mind when I saw it.

[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

O_O

...my goodness...

Hurmph, so much for no lemons, eh? And here I am worrying that my fics gonna get yanked because of a little foreplay, geez.

[silver_dreams]

damn, just rate it to R and lie, see how long it takes them to notice

[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

[quote]damn, just rate it to R and lie, see how long it takes them to notice [/quote]

I just might. Mwhaha.

[silver_dreams]

[quote="LadyoftheDeadlyDance (LDD)"] [quote]damn, just rate it to R and lie, see how long it takes them to notice [/quote]

I just might. Mwhaha. [/quote]
i should....

and dammit, i would. i like causing trouble.

[fallenangel]

They're both horrid. Here we go:

[b]Fanfiction.net[/b]

~ As with any site that grows in popularity without any way of controlling submissions, there's an overwhelming amount of crap submitted there every day that buries any story worth reading. Some people say "well that just makes finding the really good ones all the better". No it doesn't. I don't want to skim over fifty stories with the grammar, spelling, and writing skill of a 10-year-old to find one halfway decent story.

~ Those same people that submit bad excuses for "fanfiction" run rampant with "WOW!!!!! SO K00LIES!!!!!!111two" comments. Even those who can review without the caps lock and 20 exclamation points rarely say more than "cool" or "I like it". Yeah, there are some people that give thoughful reviews, and everyone likes praise, but who needs 35 "Oh noes! POOR JIM BOB!" responses?

~ There's a horrible amount of writers who take fanfiction below the level of even part time hobby. I don't expect everyone to have the skill of a pro writer, but come on. No one wants to read the script you came up with while watching Futurama and drinking Mountain Dew. No one. Usually anything that mentions "sugar high", "hyper", or any brand of soda in the description is destined to be crap, because it all means the same thing "I got this idea and wrote it down really fast without even really trying 'cause it sounded like a good idea at the time."

~ They got rid of the real people section. Or should I say, some of the real people section. They left a couple "reality"-type television shows that are still about real people, for whatever reason. A bit hypocritical, not to mention stupid. They shouldn't have had a real person section to begin with if they didn't want to deal with it. It's not fair to have hundreds/thousands of stories up then delete them all just because [i]they[/i] didn't think ahead. There are plenty of other sites with real person fiction doing just fine.

~ The whole NC17 issue was beyond ridiculous. I was mildly annoyed when they changed it so R and NC17 weren't automatically on the list. Fine, no problem, I just changed the rating of mine to PG13 (it was for language, no big deal). However, that proves my point. Banning NC17 work doesn't get rid of it, it just makes people post it as R (or in a lot of cases lower). What's worse? A kid [b]purposefully[/b] clicking on a clearly labeled NC17 story or a kid that clicked on a G rated story to find out it's porn? Anyone bitching about little kids seeing NC17 stories needs to pull their head out of their ass and realize little kids are not innocent angels. If they want to see something, they'll see it. And if you catch Timmy reading an NC17 story, it's not because he was so innocent and those big bad website admins forced it at him. The little brat [i]chose[/i] NC17 from the dropdown menu and [i]purposefully[/i] read a story. But of course he'll claim innocence. Some of the best stories on that site were deleted because they happened to contain a few racy scenes that warranted an NC17 rating.


[b]MediaMiner.org[/b]

I can't be as detailed as this one because I was never a user and haven't spent much time there at all besides just checking it out. I don't like anime and can't relate to any of the fanfic, so whether or not the writers are decent I don't know. The mere fact it doesn't have [i]any[/i] of my subject matter of choice gives it my lowest opinion, but just quality wise...

~ The layout is ugly. Not saying a site has to be overly decorative or anything, but the huge amount of white with minor bits of pastel and beige is irritating, as well as the overuse of the boxy table look. The listing of stories is cluttered and distracting to read with so much info crammed in there with so many different sizes of text. The layout of those pages is still ugly.

~ The site used to be really slow. First time someone said "check this out", it was horrible. Seems fine now.

~ There looks to be an overall lack in reviews, and the ones I did see with tons were "OMG SO KOOL!" or "PLZ PUT ME IN UR STORY! *character description*"

The layout's annoying me beyond reason now, and I can't give an opinion of the writers since I haven't read anything. But overall, the subject matter is limited, if people read they don't comment, and the site is ugly as all hell.


Personally the only place I ever truly read much is http://www.adultfanfiction.net . No, not for an overwhelming amount of porn . In general, the writers are older, more experienced, and actually put some amount of effort into their work. Even the porn without plot stuff is usually of a much higher quality than can be found on the other sites where it's mostly 14-year-old girls going "OMG he is soooo hawt! I'm gonna write a story about him having sex with me, teehee! even though I barely know anything about it and it ends up reading like a bad romance novel with the only cliche descriptions I can come up with 'cause I don't have any experience of my own..." There's a huge variety in categories from real people to books to movies, and anime. And it's much less crowded.

Yeah. Any popular site usually ends up sucking unless they do something like Epilogue. :(


EDIT: And that story that was linked is exactly what I'm talking about. People writing it just to write with no rhyme or reason...and writing it badly.
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[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

Hey Fallen...do you think we could convince Denis to create a sister site to FAC hosting fanfictions? Because, I mean FAC works fantastically, and if a fanfiction site was run by the same people who run FAC, I think it would be a hit.

[silver_dreams]

it would take a loooooooooot of time and money though, ne?

[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

Probably .

Damnit.

[silver_dreams]

i should go make an account on ff.net, mis-rate a fic, then see how long it takes before i get banned :lol:

bad ideas come from boredom

[silver_dreams]

i like starting trouble

nearly got myself banned from mm.org for starting flame wars with IY fangirls..

[silver_dreams]

[quote="akutatsu_no_kuno_hi (zinovia)"] Runnning an Fac fanfiction site will just turn out like mm.org and ff.net...just like any popular site. It's a proven fact. That is, unless we accept only fics that aren't overrun with grammar problems etc. [/quote]
*raises hand*

I'll be on the approval staff!

[fallenangel]

Most people who write immature junk (which is most of what is misrated. People write porn garbage in 10 minutes and post is as G just to see the "OMG UR SICK" reviews) could care less if their account is banned. They obviously don't care about their writing or about sharing any worthwhile stories.

The only way to prevent [i]any[/i] crap from being on a site is to be epilogue, which would be much more time consuming to do with fiction. The second best option is a few other places that require members to be 18+ (or claim they're over 18, and if it's discovered they aren't, their account is deleted. Some people are even so stupid as to sign up then say in their profile that they're 13 ). It cuts down on the kiddie boredom fics, but it also excludes some decently talented younger people. Otherwise, it's just the fate of a site that gets too popular for its own good. The same thing happens with art sites. Look at the huge amount of doodles on FAC compared to a year ago (for those who were around). And DA is flooded with quick stuff that buries the pieces that took the artist weeks or months.

As for a sister site to FAC, it's unlikely. There's plans for improving the fiction system as a part of FAC, but a separate site would just be more work for Denis. It would attract more writers than the name and layout of "Fanart Central", but until FAC as it is is stable enough, not much to expect in the way of fanfiction except improvements to the existing system.
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