Linkin Park

[the_CrEePiE]

yes, but if breaking the habbit had a bunch of hard ass chords, i wouldn't listen to it, because it doesn't slide to well in the song.

I said i guess it would be good for begginers

want catchy guitar? go listen to "whiskey in the jar" by metallica, or something by mudvayne or slipknot, well i'm not ALL that big of a fan of Slipknot, but i like a few of their songs.

I like chester's voice. It doesn't shatter my windows or my mirrors!
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[Papercut_Dragon]

They've said that Breaking the Habit is an example of what kind of "musical exploration" their next album will have on it.

.....I [i]really[/i] hope that is not true, because I don't want to listen to a record full of BTH sound alikes. <_<

Fallen and/or Flea: Which lyric is better written, in your opinion? (Or do they both suck?... lol)
-From the top to the bottom
Bottom to top, I stop
At the core of the rotten
Stopping just what I thought
The sun has escaped us
So, I'm bright in the sky
And I'm far from a rapist
Thinking "why did I try?"

or

-I cant feel
The way I did before
Dont turn your back on me
I wont be ignored
Time wont heal
This damage anymore
Dont turn your back on me
I wont be ignored
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[the_CrEePiE]

i know you weren't asking me this, and i'm glad, because i hate when people do that to ME!

LP is the best. and you're right, i don't wanna cd with breaking the habbit on there 15 times, either, so maybe i can stalk them down and tell them to make music more like good ol' hybrid theory!... but no slow songs, they're just not what's gonna pop up on my cd when i'm just flippin through quickly!

Oh, and y did you just totally rewrite the words to forgotten? that wasn't nice!
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[fallenangel]

Well like I said, you can like whatever you want n' if you like 'em, great. Still doesn't make 'em good.

As for the lyrics, it's really tough to judge a song without hearing it 'cause half of it depends on how well it flows, the timing, the melody... And sometimes a really great melody and hook can make some really stupid lyrics sound pretty damn good ("Push Push" by Cinderella, for example). And sometimes almost non-sensical lyrics can be great (like a lot of what Scott Weiland writes...)

But on a purely writing level...

[i]From the top to the bottom
Bottom to top, I stop
At the core of the rotten
Stopping just what I thought
The sun has escaped us
So, I'm bright in the sky
And I'm far from a rapist
Thinking "why did I try?"[/i]

or

[i]"From the top to the bottom
Bottom to top I stop
At the core I've forgotten
In the middle of my thoughts
Taken far from my safety
The picture is there
The memory won't escape me
But why should I care "[/i]


I can get the feel of at least a decent possibility for a rythm, whether or not it would be performed that way I dunno. I have nothing against very literal lyrics ("not a dime I can't pay my rent, I can barely make it through the week") or extremely...odd lyrics ("somebody raped my tapeworm abortion, come on motherfuckers and deliver the cow"). This particular set of lyrics is a bit off in that it's not completely metaphorical and it's not completely literal either. Maybe if I saw the rest of the song it'd make more sense, but I'm of the opinion every part of a song should be able to hold its own. And this just doesn't.

However, giving it the benefit of the doubt I found the whole song... It's a bit heavy on cliche dark images. Very adjective heavy. I'm all for imagry, but certain images are old. The whole song is basically imagry with very little insight. As short as song lyrics are, "show and don't tell" still applies. The song shows imagry, but it gives very little insight into what that imagry means, which I don't care for. Really, what it reminds me of is a teenager's angsty poetry, to be quite honest. Yeah, "[i]Then with the eyes shut looking thought the rust and rotten dust/A spot of light floods the floor/And pours over the rusted world of pretend/The eyes ease open and its dark again[/i]" may be a cool image, but there has to be context as well. The writer may know what it means, and on some level each person takes a song in their own way, but all I really see in these lyrics is a bunch of dark metaphors with no reason.

Some songs can get away with being 99% image, but the problem this song has is they're all very...common images. Common images can be used, but they should be used sparingly else it's just another song about darkness, rust, and all those urban-ish images.

And the second one...

Again, I looked up the whole song but will first comment on the one little section.

[i]I cant feel
The way I did before
Dont turn your back on me
I wont be ignored
Time wont heal
This damage anymore
Dont turn your back on me
I wont be ignored [/i]

This one, in my opinion, is better as a stand alone piece. This part compared to the first makes more sense and doesn't seem to be ranting about some images that aren't completely explained. However, forgetting about the first song, this one is a bit...dull. How many songs are there about this topic? What makes this one any better? Not much. There's something to be said for blunt to the point songs, but this isn't one of them. It's rather whiny. It's crossed too far into the literal and needs to be pushed a bit more in the metaphorical/original direction. You can easily write a song about a topic that's been done a million times before. The trick is finding a way to approach it that is unique. Simply saying it? That's not unique. All that does is look like complaining and make people think of all the other songs that approached that issue but did it better.

The song as a whole... wow, someone needs to get this guy a therapist and some prozac. It suffers from pretty much the same issues as just the selection does. Very bland, ordinary, it's not horrible but it's not particularly good either. It has a couple decent lines that don't suck. The first line is ok. It's nicely balanced between being metaphorical and literal. However, the second line (and rest of the verse really) kills it. Back to "woe is me" complaining. You can write a song about this topic, you just shouldn't come off as being a pussy. But I know why this stuff becomes popular. Angsty teens love their own poetry, don't they? And everyone feels this way at some point, so sure you can relate to it. Still, it's not good writing.


Overall - Second one is better than the first, but that's not exactly saying much. Are they the worst lyrics ever? No. They're very amateur in their approach, very average. Really what is desperately missing is a voice, a style. "WAAAAAH this all sucks!" is not a style. Really great lyricists (and writers in general) have a tone to their work that is unique. You can hear it and say "hey, that's Nikki Sixx's writing". They have a way of expressing things that makes their work different than the hundreds of others who have written about the same topic. I don't see that here. LP has the ideas (I think), but they're missing the voice. Even if the "style" is supposed to be blunt, that doesn't mean you just say it, make it rhyme, then give it a melody. Nor does a bunch of seemingly random, strange metaphors make lyrics brilliant. There's a method to the madness, I guess you could say. There are very few amazing lyricists out there, several good ones, hundreds of mediocre ones, and the rest are pretty terrible.

If you just wanted an "A or B" answer, well...oops. But there's my thoughts on LP's lyrics. They have the potential (probably) to fix their lyrics and keep the ideas, I just don't think any of them know how to write well. They can write decent enough that people don't think "what the hell?", but their lyrics don't really mean much and aren't phrased very well.

Er, yeah. Novel over. (and I don't [i]care[/i] if any of you "like their lyrics!". It still does not make them good, get over it )

NOTE: I noticed the lyrics to the first bit were different than what was on Google, but my comments apply to either one.
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[layzcarter]

[quote]they're all hotties[/quote]

Girl that is no way to prove a point. ugh... lil girls jumpn around holding signs " I love you Chester.... I love you Nick Carter......he's in LP right?..... he could be right?.......
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[the_CrEePiE]

[quote="layzcarter (Lynda)"] [quote]they're all hotties[/quote]

Girl that is no way to prove a point. ugh... lil girls jumpn around holding signs " I love you Chester.... I love you Nick Carter......he's in LP right?..... he could be right?....... [/quote]
sry, no, nick carter was not in LP, but he was a BACKSTREET BOY!!! And, no, my boys would never let that frrreeeakkk in! hotties?!? it's true, i was just seeing how many reasons i could type as to why i like them, and it just suddenly crossed my mind !!!!
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[chaosmega]

How can you possibly say that Nick Carter, the stupidest man to walk the earth and the worst singer ever, is part of Linkin Park? I'm not saying Linkin Park is perfect, but they are NOT Backstreet boys, no matter how much like Avril Lavigne they may sound! *huff* sorry i just HATE the backstreet boy... come to think of it, I hate N'Sync too...

[layzcarter]

Sorry.. in my opinion Nick Carter would fit in perfectly with them. And I was jokn around. I'm aware he's not in LP.. just sayn .. his popped out self certainly does fit the mold.
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[the_CrEePiE]

[quote="layzcarter (Lynda)"] Sorry.. in my opinion Nick Carter would fit in perfectly with them. And I was jokn around. I'm aware he's not in LP.. just sayn .. his popped out self certainly does fit the mold. [/quote]
nooooooooooooooooooooo he does NOT! NEVER! and they don't resemble avril, she's down lower than this pop crap, she sounds like COUNTRY- SHANIA TWAIN OR FAITH HILL! Lp is there own category- the Linkin Park category!!!
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[chaosmega]

LOL if I sounded mean or b****y then i didn't mean to. I hate the backstreet boys with every fiber of my being!



If LP were to change their style, would you like them then? They would then sound too much like another band, and therefore be called posers. I think (not to offend or target anyone) that some bands are targetted ot stereotyped. Not you fallen or flea, just some people do it.

And by now I think we wore the livin' s**t out of ths topic, my god!

[the_CrEePiE]

[quote="chaosmega (chaos)"] LOL if I sounded mean or b****y then i didn't mean to. I hate the backstreet boys with every fiber of my being!



If LP were to change their style, would you like them then? They would then sound too much like another band, and therefore be called posers. I think (not to offend or target anyone) that some bands are targetted ot stereotyped. Not you fallen or flea, just some people do it.

And by now I think we wore the livin' s**t out of ths topic, my god! [/quote]
Ookie !

If Linkin Park changed their style, would I like them.... well, it depends, if they stay in rock?probly. If they changed music categories? Probly not, and i probly wouldn't like them if they sounded to close to nirvana, cold, metallica, or ANYONE, because i like them because of who they became in the line!
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[fallenangel]

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but jesus fuckin' christ...

[b]This was never under any circumstances about why you do or do not like Linkin Park.[/b] Period. Quite frankly no one cares. It was and always has been about them as a band using FACTS, not your preference. Yes, Flea mentioned he doesn't like them as did I, but ya know what? We both included many many factual "problems" with them.

And what have any of the nutswingers come up with other than "I like this" and "I like that"? Nothing. And guess what, no one cares. No one cares what you like in this thread; it doesn't matter. Go dig up one of the "your favorite ____" threads if you want to drool over LP. This discussion is about the band as a band. We don't care what you like. You can love Celine Dion for all I care. But if someone says "they have mediocre guitar playing" a response like "well I like it" is NOT an answer and does not belong. Just because you like it does not change the fact it is not good.

Is that so hard to understand, or do just love the verbal masturbation of kissing LP's ass?

And to clear up another thing (again), we NEVER said LP [i]sounds[/i] like Avril. Go reread the part where I talked about HOW they write. That's what's similar, not how they look or sound.

Style has nothing to do with why they aren't a good band. Flea and I aren't trying to "back up" our dislike for the band, we don't have to. IGNORE THE FACT WE DON'T LIKE THEM. Please. This is about FACTS. [b]If one more person, just one, fails to understand this and replies with anything along the lines of "but I like them" or "but I don't care if their guitars suck, I still like them" or "I think they're good", I'm closing this thread. It's ridiculous to sit here laying it out for people when they don't want to hear it.[/b] If you're so in love with gushing over LP, either make a thread explaining what is good about them PAST just the fact you like them or go find a fanboard. Either way, shut the hell up about it on this one.

I'm not mad at anyone, just....very very frustrated by tedious stupidity.

Sidenote: Carter was joking. Get over it. The fact anyone even took that seriously proves you take LP for waaaay more than they are.
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[chaosmega]

I didn't take her seriouly! I was joking in my reply! And I was also asking a question about their style. I didn't say they were good or not good, and I don't act in love with Linkin Park :cough:creepie:cough:

Now, can we move on from this thread?we've covered every single aspect of their abilities and they themselves, as well as opinions. MOVING ON NOW.

[fallenangel]

On second thought, it's rather obvious the people here either agree with Flea or refuse to accept the concept of this thread, so it's served its purpose and is past saving. Was a nice thought, Flea, but I'm sure you expected this. 'Least you know the truth.

What there is to say has already been said. Anything further is just repeating it.


EDIT: If the question of style was posed to either Flea or myself, no it would not change our opinion of the group if they changed styles because their talent would be the same. If it was to people who like them...meh. Thread's old and getting tedious and will never escape the fact vs opinion problem with rabid fans around.
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