Fanart Pet Peeves

fallenangel · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:19 pm Post subject:

Haha, I feel wuvved. Mm custom leather pants...I'd kill for some. Too cheap to even get a pair of mine tailored.
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lil_artizt · Newb Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 5

First off, it is OK for people to reproduce official artwork, for video games, movies etc! Whats NOT ok is people who say they made up that pose and say it is their original artwork! Not everyone can make characters doing different poses without having some kind of visual reference. One more thing, I think that little sketches of characters that were made in 5 minutes on line paper should not be uploaded to the site! There is so much of that and it is a waste of space on the site! Those are not fanart, they are little pointless doodles! <_<

rinchansflower · Very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 180

I hate stolen fanarts. People work so hard on their fanarts not to have them stolen, when someone steals it they're either too lazy or sometimes too stupid. I'd much rather see something they did (even if it was crappy) rather then having them claim they did one when it's obviously stolen.

I hate the stupid internet comments like U R SOOOO KEWL!!! LOL (insert name) IS MIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What they heck? Why are they trying to take someone who isn't real. It's scary and weird...Its someone who needs a hobby...I really don't want to see it.

Raymei · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:20 pm Post subject:

[quote="lil_artizt (Paulette)"] First off, it is OK for people to reproduce official artwork, for video games, movies etc! Whats NOT ok is people who say they made up that pose and say it is their original artwork! Not everyone can make characters doing different poses without having some kind of visual reference. One more thing, I think that little sketches of characters that were made in 5 minutes on line paper should not be uploaded to the site! There is so much of that and it is a waste of space on the site! Those are not fanart, they are little pointless doodles! <_< [/quote]
meh, I disagree with this....sorta

I think it's okay for practice, I don't think you should post it.
and I don't think you should COMPLETELY reproduce pieces of art (whether or not you post it) if you've been drawing any more than a year. If you've drawn this long, you should be able to change SOMETHING (even if it's hair...)

but posting an exact duplicate is somewhat pointless. It's boring cuz we've seen the pictures 100000000 times and it really doesn't show much skill....that's my opinion.

but in any case where you use a piece of official art as reference, it's not only common decency but also part of the copyright laws to give credit to that piece.

For more information on copyright laws and such, please be so kind as to pay a visit to this site and other such pages (they're really easy to look for)

There are lots of groups who pretty much devote their time to stop innocent copyright infrindgements (as simple as someone drawing a screen cap...I'll get that link later)

lil_artizt · Newb Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 5

[quote="Raymei (Raymei Ana Laramii Klise"]
meh, I disagree with this....sorta

I think it's okay for practice, I don't think you should post it.
and I don't think you should COMPLETELY reproduce pieces of art (whether or not you post it) if you've been drawing any more than a year. If you've drawn this long, you should be able to change SOMETHING (even if it's hair...)

but posting an exact duplicate is somewhat pointless. It's boring cuz we've seen the pictures 100000000 times and it really doesn't show much skill....that's my opinion.

but in any case where you use a piece of official art as reference, it's not only common decency but also part of the copyright laws to give credit to that piece.

For more information on copyright laws and such, please be so kind as to pay a visit to this site and other such pages (they're really easy to look for)

There are lots of groups who pretty much devote their time to stop innocent copyright infrindgements (as simple as someone drawing a screen cap...I'll get that link later)[/quote]
People can post it...fanart isnt only about using existing characters and changing their pose. Fanart is art from fans, fans can draw whatever they want. Whats the difference with drawing official art and not uploading it to the site and drawing official art AND uploading it!? If you make a really nice drawing based on official work then so what. if it is really good then it DOES show skill! Show it off and let people see u have drawing talent...just DONT clame it as your own made up work. just clarify where the original came from that u used as a reference. of course....give credit Very Happy

Raymei · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:54 pm Post subject:

[u][b]based off of[/b][/u] and [b][u]replicas[/u][/b] are completely different things.

Like the rules say, you have to change SOMETHING.
It's in the law too, kiddo o.o

I've seen TERRIBLE artists draw fantastic replicas because they can look at it from a mathmatical point of view. by measuring length and angles, people could draw replicas of pictures EASILY.
that does not show artistic skill. Replicas show good eyes and judgement.

I'll get that website for you later (it's on a diff comp). I think you need to take a look at it.

layzcarter · I used to work here Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3988

I agree with lil. Although it doesn't really show all that much talent. I have one or two based off original poses. And I am ashamed Sad

People who draw only official art don't make any sense to me. What satisfaction can you get from that?
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Raymei · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject:

*smacks forehead*
Again....based off of and replica of are two different things.

The problem is pictures that are exact copies, detail by detail of a picture. especially since these pictures tend to be drawn over and over and over and over and over by a bajillion different artists (take for example the picture of Inu Yasha crouching with a little scowl on his face..everywhere)

o.o changing something about the picture isn't that difficult....and it would at least add interest to the picture

layzcarter · I used to work here Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3988

I have a fanart pet peeve that really bugs me. Not really on this site as most here are open minded. But on theotaku.com I recently posted a pic of my naked rikku and yuna but covered with hearts over their privates....... Huge hearts Smile

so nothing could be seen. The hearts even cover okay parts. And I check up on how it's doing, the rating is down to 50% and i get mean azz comments.. like.. THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!! You shouldn't post this up .. blah blah blah... they can die. I get a few comments like that here too... If you don't like it, you obviously can see from the title or the thumbnail that they are naked under those hearts... SO DON'T LOOK AT IT!!!!!!!!!! erg
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Raymei · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject:

lol carter

I think people want something to fight against sometimes.
too many bad sketches/pictures/official art/etc so people complain
People have to wait for their pictures to be approved in order to stop said rule-breaking-pictures so people complain.

I've got a new peeve:
People who's pictures get deleted (I'm talking about one or two, not their whole gallery) so they repost them with "This got deleted so I'm reposting it"

KIDS!! If it was deleted, there was a REASON!

layzcarter · I used to work here Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3988

They can die along with Hillary Duff Wink

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EccentricSage · Member Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 48

LOL! Yes, death to all! Mwahahahahahahaha!!!

Hmmmn...anywho, It's realy anoying when people try to defend copying and such. lol It's against the rules for cryn' out loud people! And I'm not a mod or a helper, but I know the rules well. Why? Because they're friggn' common sence, and I bothered to read them befor agreeing! *bangs head on desk* Why complain about sometyou agreed to?

'basing' fan art off of originals is basicly using originals as refrences. You come up with an idea...Chi cudling with Hideki, and nearly crushing him in the proces, with a caption reading "Does this make Chi look fat?"...So you look for a couple of oficial pictures that have simular poses...Hideki when those maids were holding him down, and one of Chi laying on the floor. Then you draw that flustered looking Hideki and draw the cute Chi laying across his chest. You change her facial expression and his a tad or limb positions a tad and vwala, a peice of fan art. Did you copy some of it from oficial art? Yes. But is the overall image the same as the oficial art? No. You made it your own.

Another example could be taking your favorite Chi pose, but drawing her against a diferent background, adding a bird pirched on her knee, and changing her cloths a little. This way you're still practicing and copying, wich IS helpful, but you are also not creating an exact reproduction...you took the basis and then changed it drasticly enough to where it's new and interesting.

I hope these examples help.

Someone could easily mistaken say, changing Inu Yasha's scowl to a smirk, as a big enough change...I think people would still recognise it as the same copied picture, so while you might get away with that small of a change, I wouldn't recomend it. That's just lazyness, and people will notice it. Wink

Lasher · Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:20 pm Post subject:

A pet peeve of mine Grr!

When people approve pictures they aren't familar with Grr!

I've seen some pictures getting buy without being in the proper sub categories of the sections i JUST got done cleaning up.

Yes, i'm extremely bitchy and annoyed by it, but you would be to if you spent 15 hours on it!

*walks off muttering to go draw*

Papercut_Dragon · Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject:

My pet peeve is people who type all sots of symbols in front of their picture titles-
ex. !!!!Inuyasha!!!
~*Kenshin*~
-JUST so their pics show up first when you bring up a category (if all that made any sense ^_^).
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fallenangel · Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject:

Drawing a picture of existing art is strictly against the law, even if fanart is generally ignored. I don't understand artists drawing other art. "Uh...yeah...I saw that drawing before, and it was *cough* a lot better." Thing is, reproducing a photo can be argued as the same thing, but it's not. A good photo-realism artist [i]does[/i] change the photo, even if they're very similar. Photos lie, skew things, and blur detail. A drawing can completely change a picture, even if they're the same at a glance. With drawing a piece of art, "exact" reproductions don't work that way. The focus isn't on form or expression, it's on recreating those lines and observation skills. That's all well and good for practice, but it doesn't do anything for the image except usually make it look odd. Even if it is exact...so? Someone already drew that picture.

So against the law or not, [i]exactly[/i] reproducing drawings is good practice but boring to post without changes.
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Raymei · Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:28 pm Post subject:

THANK YOU, FALLEN!!!
Finally someone backs me up on this T.T no one listens to me.
Like I said before, it's breaking copyright laws , it's good practice to get the hand for drawing but it doesn't really help you in the long wrong (this is why you can usually tell if people looked at a picture in comparison to their original stuff....like Ariel's stuff) but it's really not something you want to rely on.

and for the last time...exact replicas are not allowed in FAC galleries. n.n taaaaadaaaaaa

Borrowed_Wish · Member Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 57

i'm going to sound like a kiss-ass...i can just see it now. but i *like* the approval panel. i can't wait until the quality of the pictures gets rated as well. i'm tired of seeing stuff that looks like it was drawn by my six-year-old sister. maybe i sound a bit harsh, but a website is a form of publication, and only truly talented people deserve it. for example, i wouldn't go try out to be in soccer, because i know i suck at sports. it wouldn't matter to the coach how badly i wanted to be on the team or how much time a day i spent practicing; i wouldn't be chosen, simply because i haven't got the talent. so why do people who suck at art expect people to like their work just because they spent a long time on it? you either have the talent or you don't. it's that simple. and if you're truly dedicated, you'll practice until your fingers bleed and get to that point where you can be published.

oh, and kudos to lasher for saying what's on your mind. squall is rather annoying. i'm surprised at the amount of restraint you've shown; i would've kicked squall's whiny little ass off.

RoseDagger · Still very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 292

I have to agree with Borrowed wish....I dunt like it when a picture has a kick @$$ title but the drawing sucks MAJOR! I think the approval panel is great.

Lasher · Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject:

Heh, and i've been told i don't have enough restraint. *shrugs* well, i will admit i am much more "pissy" and bitchin lately but i have my reasons and i'll stick to my guns.

Thanks though borrowed, it's nice to get some back up once in awhile from someone other than an FAC staff member and the normal group you talk with around here.

Pet Peeves, having to approve those god damn lined drawings. I don't care if it's a great drawing (although i'll admire it) or not, it doesn't take a whole lot of talent to simply take the drawing on the lined paper, put it behind a plain piece of paper, and transfer it to the plain piece of paper, i've done it before (very, very few times, i hate lined paper for drawing, that's why) and it didn't kill me or take me hours upon hours of extreme conentration

So yeah, i can't wait for the quality controls, i bugged denis about it months ago and i still do, and you know what, i don't feel bad about it one bit.....just for Denis though cause a lot of people bug him but *shrugs*

RoseDagger · Still very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 292

*smiles*
yea i cant wait untill the quality controll is put up. I hate finding pictures that are just doodles and are on lined paper. It annoys the $#!+ outta me. People should only be on this site if they know how to draw...no stick figures, lined paper or doodles.....grrr