Final Fantasy 12! Hit Or Flop!

XxXStEpHXxX · Still very bored Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 321

So what do you think the new ff12 game will be like? Some people are stating thats its to b one of the best? Others are afraid it might be another ff7 or 8.. I cant remember.. (dunno what they mean, personally i haven't played 7/8) Anyway i have seen some screencaps, and the thing that REALLY bugs me it the guy. HE LOOKS LIKE A FROG! i meen for christ sake, if your gonna make a game then make the characters pretty.. Apart from that i think it looks really good and is said to be on the shelves for 2005! Anyone know anything about it? Or has any1 played it?

Your thoughts:
A BIG HIT :wub:

Or a big miss.. Sad

P.S sry if there is another thread on this.. Im having a slow day.

Lexar · Forum Stalker Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129

I never really liked the character designs of FF that much, with the exception of FF8, so it's nothing new to me. I think the worst must have been FF tactics advance where you get to play some kind of little child that looks frail and weak and girly. From what I saw of FF12, it looked like some kind of clone of FFX. Come on people, ever since FF4 they have been making the same games with basicly the same battle systems and everybody just keeps buying it. The only thing that improves are the graphics, but the artwork is getting weirder and weirder so it equals out.

PhunkYMunkY · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:48 am Post subject:

Considering it is named Final Fantasy, I think they're gone on a bit long.. maybe this will be the last? Hopefully... Rolling eyes

Penultimate Fantasy (FFXI)

Honest To God Final FINAL Fantasy.. We Swear (FFLOL)

Final Fantasy: We Gotta Stop Making These Goddamn Games (FFwtF)

Final Fantasy: Beyond The f**king Joke, People.. Stop Buying These Games.. All We Have Done Is Changed The Title Of The Past 6 Games (FFLMAO'TarDs)

Stratadrake · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:00 am Post subject:

FF12 will probably be a hit . . . if only due to the sheer SIZE of the franchise's fanbase.
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amerowolf · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:10 pm Post subject:

i am a big fan of final fantasy games....but this just looks kind of blah!

i'm probely going to still buy it because...well...it's a final fantasy so atleast its garenteed to atleast have good music and semi ok graphics. but the lead character in this one i swear i didn't think they could get anymore girly then titus.

Stratadrake · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:00 pm Post subject:

[quote]i'm probely going to still buy it because...well...it's a final fantasy so atleast its garenteed to atleast have good music and semi ok graphics.[/quote]

Thank you for proving my point ^_^
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LightningAurora · Still very bored Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 370

Hmm . . . it will be a hit, because of its huge fanbase, but I don't know whether it'll be brilliant. Many PS2 magazines I've read mention that the franchise is running out of steam (FF X-2 was said to be a big disappointment in one magazine, who gave it 80 - something percent, low for a ff game). I rate the series as a good one based on others opinions, but have only personally played FF8, which I admit I loved.

I think it will be at least 'good,' but people now have very high expectations, so if it's anything less than brilliant, the magazines will not give them particularly good reviews. In the end though, like I said before, it will sell well whatever percentages it gets.

XxXStEpHXxX · Still very bored Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 321

Yeah what i thought. Its cos soooo many ppl like them. It'll be a hit.. Its always the same storyline but slightly different, but they say this ones not just a love story they are trying to get slightly away from that. YEAH RITE!

Lexar · Forum Stalker Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129

This is FF when you really get down to business, it's not exactly 100% accurate, but it pretty much sums up the main idea:

the hero is a guy from 16-20, spikey hair, needs to have a sword, he threatens the heterosexuality of the male fans with his extreme girlish looks, his fate is somehow intertwined with that of the main villain, be it, a rival, brother, something along these lines, and the hero always gets the girl, even though he could have had the blonde just as easily, he goes for the brunette. The hero is also having nightmares, visions or lots of flashbacks to explain his often very difficult, strange or traumatising past, and it is in these sequences that we learn why his fate is intertwined with that of the main enemy.

there is always a dark, ninja, kind of character with a mysterious past in your party, as well as something that looks not human at all. Some people like the dark figure, but nobody likes the weird unhuman creature. Also one character needs to have the slots special attack, and one has to be the martial artist, and have blitz attacks, like street fighter.

The summons are pretty much always the same, although the names can change. Sometimes it's espers, or summons, or even the lame guardian spirits. But they are pretty much always the same. The battlles are always the same throughout the series. Never change. if you played FF 1, you can play them all.

The villain, at the start of the game, even though everybody knows it, he isn't exactly the main enemy, there is always some kind of greater threat that is destroyed halfway through the game and it's revealed that it's not over yet. The enemy wields the same weapon as the hero, wich is pretty much always a sword.

About at the half of the game you get some sort of device that allows you to fly around on the world map, when there is one. (I understand there is no world map in FF X... why the hell did they do that?? That was the best part of FF IMO) But before that you need chocobos, or sometimes other transportation that doesn't fly. Also sooner or later you learn something that supposedly turns the stroy around. *spoiler*In FF8 it was just too lame when it turned out everybody knew each other since childhood but forgot about it because of using magic or something. Who thought up something stupid like that? Not all of us are kids you know, some of us want at least the impression that our intelligence is respected. That plot twist was one of the absolute all time worst ever.

The scenario is always apocalyptic, and your party is typically the last hope remaining, but still you need to do sidequests for unimportant people. Also there are other creatures involved, that often look like humans, but can be different too, but matter to the story. (Sorceresses, those things sephiroth and that dying chick are, or espers for example)

Cid, Wedge, Biggs, and chocobos are always in the game one way or the other.

And people always buy the game :wacko:

Anri · Newb Joined: 29 Sep 2004 Posts: 3

nothing caught my eye in FF12 , but the only thing tht surprised me is .. tht i thought tht the hero is a girl @ the begining when i only saw his face , but then when i saw a full shot i thought yea thts a guy .. still he looks girly .. so girls than all hero's of all FF's Very Happy

i like weird hero's with weird haistyles but this ones way too girly and i mean the girl in the game*Ashe* is more manly than him . well not really they kinda r on the same level of femininity ,the other charecters r ok Razz

I think it will be a good game ! yep!

TomtheMighty · Member Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 107

It'll be huge, mainly because it will be the first REAL FF game in nearly four years. They have a new semi-real time battle system that lets you control three characters at once by giving them A.I patterns called "Gambits" and enemies you see before you fight (NEAT! a first for the main FF series, 11 don't count). Even better, the screen doesn't shatter or disolve into battle mode when you engage an enemy, you simply fight where you are.

About the whole androgenus look, I just found out that they redid some of the character's face models so they look a bit more mature. So, instead of Vaan looking like Meg Ryan, s/he looks like Sandra Bullock now!

Stratadrake · Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:

[quote]The battlles are always the same throughout the series. Never change. if you played FF 1, you can play them all.[/quote]

I wouldn't say [i]exactly[/i]... FF1 & FF2 (and possibly FF3, I never played that one) used a strictly turn-based system where you gave orders to your four team members [i]at once[/i] and then they and the enemies would act out those orders, high agilities dictating who gets their turn in first. Lather and repeat.

FF4 and up started doing the "ATB" system where the clocks are continually ticking toward each character's turn and you give them orders [i]as their turns come up[/i].

As the games built up (5~9), the in-game lag (transparent loading sequences) gradually built up until FF9 where there was always this 1-2 second lag between issuing an order and the person carrying that out, the end result being that the enemies would often get too many turns since their actions are determined automatically/instantly when their turns come up.

Now FF5 had a Lv.1 Time spell called "Speed", this wasn't a Haste spell but it was about as useful as one, the Speed spell caused all ATB timers to pause for about 5 seconds when one of your guys' turns comes up, allowing you to decide on what to do without having to worry about the enemy getting their turns in in the meantime. FF9 really should have had that spell in the book, because its lag was just horrible.

Then you have FFX which utilized what the manual called "Conditional Turn-based" battle, CTB for short. It's much like the ATB system (the purple meters in the Turn List window are essentially your ATB timers) except that time is always paused when your turn comes up, you can decide what to do in as much or as little time as you need. Oddly this makes the battles largely proceed [i]faster[/i] than other FF's because you don't have any of those scenarios where both teams arewaiting 4-5 seconds for their meters to fill. Another improvement was that once one person finished their attack (hit the enemy), the next person to go would start taking their turn as the previous person is running back into formation -- that too made the battles go a little faster.

Then there's FFX-2 which they put the ATB system back in, only now it's a lot closer to real-time, in the sense that a character will perform their action ASAP unless they're currently the target of an enemy attack. So you do have times when multiple characters and monsters act simultaneously, not one by one like all previous FF's.

One interesting thing I hear about FF12 though -- NO RANDOM ENCOUNTERS WHATSOEVER. And no separate "battle screens" either -- enemies roam aroun don the field map and battles take place on the field map. The battle system so far sounds like it'll be a mix between FFX-2's ATB system (allowing multiple characters to take their turns simultaneously) and something like an RTS where once you give them an order, they keep doing it until you say otherwise. A bit more of a laissez-faire approach to combat, I'd say, but part of the management of any FF game has always been that you can't put your team on auto-pilot.
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Lexar · Forum Stalker Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129

But you still pick 'fight' or 'magic' or 'item' or something else in a little window. The only changes I've seen are just ways to use the speed statistics in different ways. Faster charcters attack faster, and more often, that has always been the same, but it's just shown in a different way.

FF-12's battle system is probably a result of the influence of enix. Their famous ogre battle series have always had this kind of approach to the battles, and it sounds to me like it was after all a good thing they worked together, because finally we see some change in the FF formula. Sounds like mix between ogre battle and chrono trigger for the battles.

XxXStEpHXxX · Still very bored Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 321

*shrugs* Why is the hero ALWAYS a guy anyway, i kno that the 2nd place hero is usually the cute girl but still... Anyway the guy looks like a pansy so i think he could count as a girl. LOL, Corse.. The last ff was X-2 so this one will be very big cos its more appealing to the guys and the girls cos its not just a "chik game" as X-2 was dubbed... I liked that 1 but i must admit cos FF10's end was 2 sad for my liking. teehee!

amerowolf · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:43 pm Post subject:

most final fantasy men=metrosexuals

i didn't much care for ffx-2. i really don't...ya...know like watching watching naked chicks running around. the only character i liked in that one was Gippal, his gun was awesome, and the machine faction had cool theme music.

so far of what i have seen of 12 i don't character designs at all. storyline sounds kinda meh. i tell ya if it isn't good i'm trading it in for...like xenosaga ep2.

Inu-Yasha-fan · Very bored Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 218

ff 12 will probally be a hit. it seems no one can get enough of the *epic* stories that each one tells. the battle system gets repeatitive in some games but they throw in more stuff like sword, status effexts, magic, and summons to let you have fun.

LadyoftheDeadlyDance · Forum Stalker Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 1144

Let's hope its a hit, or else Final Fantasy shall be kaput.

Lexar · Forum Stalker Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129

I am living in fear of square's influence on the next ogre battle enstallment. i wish enix was still going solo. We would have had a cool ogre battle game about now, but nooooo.. they had to go and make lame FF games for little girls with squaresoft... :huh:

crusifer · Member Joined: 24 Jun 2004 Posts: 58

Uhhh... Can I believe the sacrilage my ears are hearing?! This is SQUARE people!The PREMIERE RPG'ers! yes, it's true, the last couple of Final Fantasy installments have not been up to par with the earlier versions, but come on! As low on the scale as compared to earlier versions, the new ones are still THE BEST RPGs on the market today! Of course, there is always a few exceptional ones here and there, but FF has a tried and true formula, and any other standard RPG is just a deviant of the original FFs. So while I'm not particularly excited about XII, I do know that there is an excellent chance it will be the best RPG of the year when it debuts. It may not be a fantastic game, but it'll be better than anything else you'll be able to buy.-R

And Xenosaga is ok, but if you thought FFX had a lot of cutscenes, try playing the "interactive movie" Xenosaga!!!

Inu-Yasha-fan · Very bored Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 218

xenosaga had to many cut scenes. if you take a step forward you get hit by one. kinda like random battles in ff games