Election's Over

ruppy007 · Has No Life Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 596

GEORGE W. BUSH!!!!!!!

congradulations, dumbass.

Yusuke · Still very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 261

Dun Dun Dunnnnnnn!!!!11

ZOMGHappyNoodleBoyZOMG · Member Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 104

Three words: Bush Owned You

Yusuke · Still very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 261

[quote="ZOMGHappyNoodleBoyZOMG ()"] Three words: Bush Owned You [/quote]
Hey, that spells BOY.

jhonenfreak · Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject:

Woohoo! Four more years! Hey, Clinton got it and look at [i]his[/i] history.
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majohime · Very bored Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 240

i highly doubt that bush is going to be sucessful this term...and when that time comes....well....you see if i say 'haha!!! in your face dumbasses!!!' that would not make anyone feel any better. so you just have to learn from your mistakes....it was a mistake to support bush.

fallenangel · Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject:

Well when he screws up worse than he already has, everyone who voted for him will be to blame. Unfortunately no one will admit that it's [i]his[/i] fault.
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ruppy007 · Has No Life Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 596

You have a point there, fallen.

jhonenfreak · Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject:

[quote="majohime (Marie T)"] it was a mistake to support bush. [/quote]
Support your opinion if you're going to try to convince me of something.
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fallenangel · Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject:

What's to back up anymore? The decision has been made. Bush supporters can cross their fingers all they want, but no amount of debating or facts or numbers will help anymore. Blind patriotism does miracles.
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majohime · Very bored Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 240

Many Americans are very much listening to lies broadcasted from tv . They would belive in pretty much everything. And people acutally belive in the s**t that comes out of Bush's mouth....idiots.... . . . .

ZOMGHappyNoodleBoyZOMG · Member Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 104

I don't think this is really a debate thread it's more of just saying who won but heres my thought. (Please dont flame me Im lame on Politics Im just stating my Opinion it probably sucks butt sugar but thats o k^-^; Wink

If you ask me I don't like either one of the people running for president they are both morons who think they can change what happened on 9/11. All I can say is this. If I were president I would have done the same thing bush has, the only reason why people don't like him is the fact that he stood up to something he believed in even though no one else followed him. Sure he's made his mistakes but it gives people no right to say that he is a horrible President.

majohime · Very bored Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 240

the reason that i don't like Bush is becuase never answer questions directly during debates, i don't like his beliefs, i don't like his decisions, we rushed into the war, the term 'axis of evil' (it generalizes the people in Iraq), the fact that he's so religious (involves religion into politics), opposes stem cell research....there's more but you get the idea.

jhonenfreak · Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject:

Just to stand back a moment and look at the past few months before the election:

Does anyone remember how brotherly Americans were after the 9/11 attacks? A huge loss and we're all the best of friends. Now that we've had the opportunity to decide upon our president, the leader of the United States, we're all at each other's necks! On local news recently a man was arrested for driving up on a curb and almost hitting a politician as a "political statement". America seemed like a better place when it's buildings were crumbling and people were dieing. Look at us! My God!
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ZOMGHappyNoodleBoyZOMG · Member Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 104

[quote="majohime (Marie T)"] the reason that i don't like Bush is becuase never answer questions directly during debates, i don't like his beliefs, i don't like his decisions, we rushed into the war, the term 'axis of evil' (it generalizes the people in Iraq), the fact that he's so religious (involves religion into politics), opposes stem cell research....there's more but you get the idea. [/quote]
The only person I saw redirecting the questions was Kerry, who kept talking about his damn self inflicted purple hearts (And the only reason he go them was because he knew if he got three he would be taken out of the war) And his "Plan" that he never once stated. Yes Bush did rush into war but it was mostly Dicks Idea to do it, Who wouldn't go into war for 200 million dollars? I sure as hell would start war as soon as I heard that syllable Mil, and don't say you wouldn't go to war for money because I guarantee you if you had that opportunity, you most defiantly would have taken it. Now take your mismatched ideas and go feed them to your gerbil or something because Im sure you forgot to feed him today. (Another crappy Political Point made by me that sucks even more butts so don't flame me I'm not flaming you just stating points kik.)

jhonenfreak · Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject:

[quote]don't say you wouldn't go to war for money because I guarantee you if you had that opportunity, you most defiantly would have taken it[/quote]

But war costs money, lots of money... so even if you broke even you'd still have to deal with the fighting and lost lives. War is hell, but sometimes it's nessicary to prevent an even worse situation. Too bad it can't always be prevented all together.
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ZOMGHappyNoodleBoyZOMG · Member Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 104

But we could have a nice cold cup of Tang when they come back so its all good, So its worth the money.
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I think this fella likes tang very much. Isn't that hat just cool? I bet he likes burritos too.

fallenangel · Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:15 pm Post subject:

But the way this particular war has been handled is making the situation worse and pushing away anyone that supported us in the first place.

And don't get me started on the "brotherly love" after 9/11. Such utter fake garbage. Bunch of American flag bumper stickers and someone actually giving a damn just because a few thousand people were killed, but no one gives two shits about things like that when they happen in other countries where it doesn't affect them. What changed after 9/11? Nothing, except maybe a pity party. "omg how dare they! We're American. Grrrrrr Everyone loves us." All it got was a bunch of catchy slogans supposedly getting things 'back to normal'. Fly somewhere or the terrorists win. Go out to eat or the terrorists win. Pet your dog or the terrorists win. Buy that pack of gum or the terrorists win. Sacrifice your first born child or the terrorists win. The terrorists don't win anything. Scare tactics at their finest that contribute to this huge "omg get the evil people!" mentality.

I think the fact immediately after 9/11 (within hours, if not sooner) people were out selling little flags by the thousands sums it up pretty well.
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Mik · Newb Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 12

[quote="ZOMGHappyNoodleBoyZOMG ()"]The only person I saw redirecting the questions was Kerry, who kept talking about his damn self inflicted purple hearts (And the only reason he go them was because he knew if he got three he would be taken out of the war) And his "Plan" that he never once stated. Yes Bush did rush into war but it was mostly Dicks Idea to do it, Who wouldn't go into war for 200 million dollars? I sure as hell would start war as soon as I heard that syllable Mil, and don't say you wouldn't go to war for money because I guarantee you if you had that opportunity, you most defiantly would have taken it. Now take your mismatched ideas and go feed them to your gerbil or something because Im sure you forgot to feed him today. (Another crappy Political Point made by me that sucks even more butts so don't flame me I'm not flaming you just stating points kik.)[/quote]
I'm not going to flame, just going to bring up my point view...

Just curious.. did you watch the debates? I've met Kerry twice now, and from the times I've seen him.. I've never heard him bring up a purple heart.

Media can be great at times, when they want you to see something all it takes is a bit of editing.. and pointing out one thing over and over.. just like the kerry flip flop bit.. It would be nice if their was more truth to media..

Everyone changes minds, I mean the more you find out on something.. and if you figure out what your going after is a mistake, is it best to keep to that or think things out and try to fix it.. and come up with something new. Nobody is perfect.

In the debates Bush redirected quite alot of the answers.. it was like if he didn't know the answer we would get to hear about never leave a kid behind.. I would of loved to hear a actual answer on what he was going to do about jobs instead of that.. he already said that bit, several times when he couldn't answer other questions. Alot of the answers where changing subjects, or a attack on something Kerry voted for.. :huh:

If you vote, it's always best to read out exactly what your voting on.. alot of stuff have nice hidden facts about it.. and the comercials.. those don't help, cause usually it's scare tactics used on both sides.. politics can be very dirty.. you have to read exactly what your in for.. not just the surface.. So whatever it was bush attacked kerry on not voting for.. it would be best to look at what it actually was.. and what was included in that package besides the main bit..

With the rallys, Kerry talked about Future... and barely brought Bush up.. just the flaws that needed to be fixed.. and what he was going to do... Bush, he talked about Kerry and tore him apart throughout the rally... not to much on what he was going to do to fix stuff.. really childish I thought.. I didn't want to hear why he thought kerry wasn't good for the job.. but why he was good for it.. and what he would actually do to fix things.. What he thought of kerry he even brought up in the debates.. like the health plan bit.. he had no idea what he was talking about.. didn't even look into it.. He tore it apart without knowing what the plan was.. saying it was something that it wasn't.. You really should do your research before bringing stuff up like that on national tv...

I live in Michigan, in the last few years I've watched so many jobs vanish... completely. Jobs and factories that have been here for ages.. no, they didn't all outsource.. though alot did. Alot of them had to completly go under, and close their doors.... My dad's job is on the way there now, they went from tons of workers, and double shifts.. to 1 shift, no overtime... and down to 33 workers... The insurance went crazy too.. my mom has MS, she needs shots every day.. and one of the meds she takes use to cost $80 a month, but cause of some of the stuff that Bush signed for these HMO and drug companies the prices raised, and the insurance changed.. now for that one medicine she pays over $500 a month and it's going to be leaping to $1200 a month.. my mom can't afford that... and that's only one of the meds.. Sad

I've got friends that have been searching for jobs for over a year now.. they use to have great jobs, but now it's mainly fast food chains that give you the oppurtunities.. and even those can be hard to get.. they don't bring in enough money either...

Bush said on the debate that he planned to make it so that younger people can buy into social security and be able to take money out of it.. like a loan.. Social Security is already running out.. it needs to be fixed, not have more taken out of it... he's taken alot out of it, and it's scary.. cause alot of people depend on that for when they do get older..

Plus he made it against the law for Medicare/Medicaid to try to bid on lower prices... is this really helping people.. or making it hard..

Plus, what was with saying buying meds from canada was like buying from a third world.. so that should be outlawed too... Not everyone can afford the meds cause of the deals he made with those hmo and drug companies.. and then the following debate he said he was working with canada to get flu meds.. well, why can't canada be worked with for the rest.. he really comes up with alot of excuses why things can't be fixed... WTF?

As for the war... it's heading the same way Vietnam did.. With the rush, there really should of been a plan.. Plus, when they had bin ladin trapped.. that was the reason they went over there.. they should of pushed ahead on that, instead of going for the money... some of the places bombed didn't have no weapons.. they were just normal cities, with people going to work, taking care of their families.. now digging through rubble trying to find their kids.. or nieghbors cause of money...?? There is tons of footage of this stuff, but they call it hot potatoes.. the media don't want to touch it.. instead we get a lovely painted picture of the war...
unless they want something.. then we get a bunch of scare tactics... Was oil really worth it.. besides, god.. the gas prices here are still rising..

Oh! and wages.. the vaule of our wages is the lowest it's been... since the 1940's.. the ecomny is doing great... <_<

As for the soldiers, there is quite a bit out there that really needs help.. actually needs supplies, and help with medical.. or better ways to deal with when they do get hurt.. how they will be helped when they are sent home.. If bush really wanted to help those soldiers he sent out there, he should of sent them with a real plan... plus the gear, they shouldn't have to worry about getting pillows.. or other supplies.. if you want to help them, read what the soldiers out there say they need... http://www.optruth.org/main.cfm# There is links on there with alot of what they actually need help with... plus they've got a nice comercial that they actually did raise up the money to show on tv for a bit their..

I guess when someone is not effected by any of the stuff that has happened.. there is no difference, and bush went to war to protect us.. cause that's what the media shows.. if any of the media talks against it, they can simply lose their jobs.
I mean look at the dixie chicks all they had to say was they were embarresed to be from the same state as bush... clear channel took them off all their stations and banned them from their concert venues.. what happened to free speech.. guess it's now just speach that suites them... there is alot of celebs who went through this junk, just cause they were upset with this president.. they are just people and they should be able to speak out their minds even when others don't want to hear it... if others don't want to hear it.. just don't listen... but don't create fake images of them, and try to destroy and take their jobs away from them cause of a difference of opinions..

Now if Bush, could actually really put something into it.... and actually try to fix.. and not just say it for a vote... or for us to like him... but actually do it... actually bring more jobs (right now he's the president that lost the most jobs.. since hoover) Fix the ecomony so everyone can make it.. Take care of the terroist problems and not use it to get what he wants... I don't ever want to hear he don't think of them much ... that they are just parisites and can't do anything.. ect... just keep to it, and don't take the rights away from the ones out their that didn't do anything... alot of the prisoners they've got out there really shouldn't be held up.. I mean a 12 year old protecting his farm... with a rifle in the house, and not using it.. but being brought in and locked up for months... really, you should look more into that before suspecting everyone.. is that really freedom... If he can help the people there.. god.. but just having the soldiers out their to protect oil.. is that fair on them or their loved ones.. If Bush would actually try... and he's got alot of work to do... plus.. he's gotta stop letting himself be bought out.. like he did with that hmo stuff.. and see what's really important.. health is nothing to play around with.. and making it more difficult on people cause of money... <_<
Bush has alot to do before I support him...

I'm sure kerry isn't perfect, he was even able to say that.. everyone makes mistakes... bush wasn't when he was asked.. :/ He actually had plans to bring more jobs here then just small jobs... sure nothing is instant.. but if you are actually trying to fix things.. then great.. it's a start.. Kerry wasn't going to run from the war.. he would try to have fixed stuff.. nothing is instant.. Having a purple heart.. hmm.. is that really something people want, that means you got hurt over there.. and if you really look at vietnam.. that was another mess..

Kerry's not as bad as you think.. he's a really nice guy.. he was just trying to help in a mess that's really big.. I wouldn't want to be president, there is just to much to fix.. I'll just have to wait and watch to see what happens these next for years.. I really hope the jobs don't keep vanishing.. but I don't see Bush changing.. he got what he wanted.. he has no reason to worry about it now.. plus, moneywise he's set.. so is he really seeing what's going on for everyone who isn't... it don't feel like it..

As for Bush staying in office.. I understand why Kerry didn't stretch out the whole voting process like bush did when he lost last time and demanded a recount.. I think Kerry went out with his head held high, and not as a poor loser. I just spent the other night in lockdown... counting absentee votes all day yesterday and till 6am.... I get down counting, to come outside to hear the radio say they already got a winner... while all the votes that I worked on are still sitting in the place were I just spent 23 hours counting... in a bag, not even making a difference... My vote was in one of those bags.. when you work the election, and can't go to your place where your suppose to vote.. you have to vote absentee...
I can't say how lost I feel right now...

As for Bush's speech today.. asking for the Kerry supporters support... It's going to take a big difference in everything I believe before he gets their support.. and it's got to be for the better.. not just for the money.. Heck I wish he would get better at his job.. I mean if he was actually helping this country.. I'd have no problem with him.. I use to think he was funny.

With what fallenangle says.. I agree about the pushing away others that use to support us, besides the stuff bush has done, and how we are shown by the media else where.. I really don't think the United States is looked upon that greatly right now.. The media really makes everyone here seem pig headed and full of themselves. and yeah, the merch did get to much.. I don't think it was all fake.. People really needed each other then.. alot of people lost loved ones, and for the ones that actually was there.. and actually put their all into helping.. that was real.. everyone put up their flags to say they were not giving up.. and that they were united.. alot of people was actually effected by it... the WTC had people from all around the world in there, it wasn't only a attack on the United States.. And no matter where you are when something this big happens.. and people come out of the woodwork to help.. then that's really something.. When it happens in other countries, it's really on how the media shows it... how it effects everywhere.. no matter where in the world you are, when something really bad happens.. nobody should just ignore the people it effected.. the ones that need help.. if the media doesn't show it where you live, and you don't hear about it anywhere else.. or maybe just a quick blurb on the news.. then it don't hit you as hard.. but the people there.. or going through it.. it really hits hard... with 9/11 it was a huge scare, and there was alot of people lost.. and no matter what station you turned to.. it was on... people traveled from all over to go to nyc to help..

I think that 9/11 was later on used as a scare tactic though... that really should of never been shown like that.. you don't use something like that to get what you want..

Boy did I ramble on for a long time on this... I use to not be political at all..
But these last few years have just been really rough.. and we just needed some hope.. and help..

that was my opinion.. I'm not flaming.. just saying what I thought on it all.. ^_^
It's going on 4am.. and since I haven't slept in 48 hours, I think I'm going to give it a try...

slet · Still very bored Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 271

nice reply!

I thought of typing a long reply here, but just realised that there is no sense in doing so. The Bush voters are all morons who can't be convinced anyway cuz their stubborn little bastards. Besides it won't change anything to the four years of crap coming up.