Election's Over

majohime · Very bored Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 240

yay! someone who actually understands! Very Happy

and i'm planning to go off to college in about two years....eer...but what would the world be like then? Uneasy

Americans are using so many things for granted....for example, internet. They don't bother to find the real information about Bush. Even though reading the articles is good, but they're not always true and they conceal some facts. so you never know what's really going on in this sad world we live in. <_<

n8comics · Has No Life Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 582

Must... resist... urge to flame... and state my opinions... Sad

Mik · Newb Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 12

[quote="n8comics (Nate)"]Must... resist... urge to flame... and state my opinions... Sad

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Hey go for it, you can state your opinions...You've got that freedom to say what you think.. whether it's pro bush or anti bush, or pro kerry anti kerry.. I don't see why not, I'm not looking at it as a flame.. boy did I write.. now that I'm looking at it... O.o We've just been having a really hard year, I can't say how hard it is to find a job here right now.. and trust me. I've been looking! But that's just my opinion.. it's probably different else where... and I know there is places that haven't been effected by any of these problems.

I know I don't mind hearing what others have to say.. ^_^

Oh, nate.. love the icon Laughing

Slet - I hear you on that, for a long time I didn't.. I don't think I'll change anyone's thoughts on the full thing.. I'm not sure how much it will take before others do change their thoughts or if they ever will.. but it's nice to dream.. . . . .

majohime - Go to college! If there is a mess to be fixed.. there will be people working on that.... it should be able to be fixed.. people can pull themselves through rough times... right now even with schooling not everyone can find jobs in certain areas.. but there are those jobs out there.. just takes alot of digging, and hey.. it's only 4 years... but then again, could turn into 40.. we have two people who look like they might pass in the supreme court.. let's see who Bush puts in their spots...

We can't let what osama bin ladin say in his last video become true.. about united states going completely bankrupt.. right now for certian area's that has happened.. but maybe if people work together they can fix it.. here is what cnn said on that..

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/...tape/index.html

We just got to get going again, we are on a down.. that's all.. Wink

Yeah, you can't believe everything you read on the internet.. or every video you see.. alot of times you will see what whoever posted that subject's favors.. or video that points that way... I always believe you should actually find out for yourself what's really going on...

Notice how we didn't see the full video of this last bin laden speech before the election? :wacko:

Raymei · Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:48 pm Post subject:

I didn't like either choices (I voted, I just didn't vote for a President T.T;;;;)

so I'm just going to say this:
It was the largest voter turnout in a LOOOOOOONG time. America chose and Bush won (let's just hope we don't blow ourselves up, shall we?)

As for media being biest. ah-duh.
I'm living with two VERY conservative, republican parents so Fox News ("fair and balanced" my ass) is on 24/7 T.T and when they're on the computer they're listening to Sean Hannity.
Do you know how much that sounds like mindless brain-washing?

Then there's the "e&&endquote& "Liberal Media" *rolls eyes*
They both do the same things people.
They're run by authorities that are so sure that they're right that they won't just give out the information and trust people to make the right decision.
It's all too manipulative for me, thanks.

Hm.... Australia's looking pretty nice about now

Mik · Newb Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 12

[quote="Raymei (Raymei Ana Laramii Klise"]I didn't like either choices (I voted, I just didn't vote for a President T.T;;;;)

so I'm just going to say this:
It was the largest voter turnout in a LOOOOOOONG time. America chose and Bush won (let's just hope we don't blow ourselves up, shall we?)

As for media being biest. ah-duh.
I'm living with two VERY conservative, republican parents so Fox News ("fair and balanced" my ass) is on 24/7 T.T and when they're on the computer they're listening to Sean Hannity.
Do you know how much that sounds like mindless brain-washing?

Then there's the "e&&endquote& "Liberal Media" *rolls eyes*
They both do the same things people.
They're run by authorities that are so sure that they're right that they won't just give out the information and trust people to make the right decision.
It's all too manipulative for me, thanks.

Hm.... Australia's looking pretty nice about now[/quote]
lol, it would be nice if we were given some really good choices for president.. but alas.. I went with kerry this time cause something really needs to be done about the expensive meds.. and that job problem.. and years of bush... ummm... well, we already gone through that...

Plus, I don't believe in parties... I don't think the party makes the person.. It's the person who's running.. cause whoever it is.. standing for what party is what's going to be the president..

I agree, It was the largest voter turnout in a very long time! My finger is reminding me of that.. I've never voted so much in my life.. working on voting the abesentee votes.. ouch! I rather watch what's going on with everything else.. then be locked up in a room with some voting machines and a bunch of ballots.. Hey! Got a bunch of neat stamps! Very Happy

The last time so many people were into voting was JFK & Nixon... It's funny we had a JFK this time too.. hey and the vatican was against both JFK's...

ewwww.. fox news! I really wish the media wasn't so fake, it's from both sides... as I said they usually only show you what they favor instead of the full story...

Australia does look really really nice right now.. Wink

hmm.. think anyone there will hire someone who makes Foam costume, puppets... and sets.. Ooo.. new zealand.. only if the lord of the rings movies were still in the works.. think they need any artist out that way??? hehe..

ZOMGHappyNoodleBoyZOMG · Member Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 104

EDIT: This post was teh Gey So I deleted it

ruppy007 · Has No Life Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 596

[quote="n8comics (Nate)"] Must... resist... urge to flame... and state my opinions... Sad

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Go ahead, Nate. I haven't seen you around for a while, so if you got something to say, say it.

TomtheMighty · Member Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 107

Has anyone seen the county by county election result map? Almost every single county was Red (Bush) the only blue ones (Kerry) where the counties with the big metropolitan areas, the northeastern united states and parts of New Mexico. What does that tell you? That the democratic party has no clue about the average American's values are.

Another thing:

If Global Warming does exist, and the ice caps melt and the oceans rise, the Democratic Party will be all but wiped out.

Lexar · Forum Stalker Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129

[quote]Almost every single county was Red (Bush) the only blue ones (Kerry) where the counties with the big metropolitan areas, the northeastern united states and parts of New Mexico. What does that tell you? That the democratic party has no clue about the average American's values are.[/quote]

.... :huh:

These kind of posts do not help me get a more positive view on Americans. Let's just keep it at that.

fallenangel · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:36 pm Post subject:

[quote]That the democratic party has no clue about the average American's values are.[/quote]

Exactly the problem. Small town, rural Americans are [i]far[/i] more likely to vote on personality than politics. They are! Even here where Kerry won, it was [i]always[/i] the religion-loving, family-man desiring people who had the Bush/Cheney signs. They're fooled by the "regular Joe" image. He's a Bush! No one from the Bush family can be "normal". Kerry came off as somewhat distant and cold, but if he was more a "cowboy" with a relaxed "hey, I'm just like you" demeanor and throwing religion out there, it would have been an even closer race. But he came out as pro-abortion and lost the Christian values vote. The fact Middle America votes on who they think is a better person, not a better president or foreign representative, is sick. This is why voting by "the people" is rather stupid. Most people have no idea about foreign affairs and are making a blind decision on what they [i]do[/i] know. And in a lot of cases it's just their personal values and not the good of the country as a whole. -_-

[quote]If Global Warming does exist, and the ice caps melt and the oceans rise, the Democratic Party will be all but wiped out.[/quote]

That was cute. And if the next country Bush invades decides to fight back, I hope they go after Midwest/Central America first.
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Lexar · Forum Stalker Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129

My opinion on Fallen drastically changed these last couple of days. She is cool now, because she isn't immediatly insulted when people have critisism on the US and she has critisism of her own. Free spirits own.

Riyo · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject:

Personally, I'd rather not have either of them in office. But, there was no way any other guys was going to win....

It was even worse having all these 11 and 12 year old kids prancing around my school screaming "Bush rules, Kerry's scary!" When they were probably only doing that because their parents are voting for Bush.... I know most of them don't even keep track AT ALL of politics. I know I don't do it that much, but I still know what's going on.

Mainly, I don't think it was wise to vote for Bush only because he's a Christian man, with good morals. I mean morals are impotant, but it's how they are going to run our country that's important. Not their religion.

I really want to move to the UK or Australia... Especially since this Presidential term will basically shape my little 12 year old future for a loooonnnnggg time.
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fallenangel · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:57 pm Post subject:

What I found really interesting was as the votes were being counted, they kept going to people who voted and asking their opinion so far. These were the typical answers:

"I'm hoping Kerry wins. We need someone with experience who can work together with other countries and solve this situation instead of separating us from the rest of the world."

or

"I'm praying Bush beats Kerry. He's a loving family man and strong leader."

Usually "church-goer" or "Christian man" was thrown in there, but not all the time. Always something about him being a "good person", though. [i]Not once[/i] did a single person who voted for Bush say [i]anything[/i] to make it worth voting for him except either being anti-Kerry because he wasn't completely stubborn in his opinions and unwilling to admit misjudgements (*ahem* Bush should take notes) or that he was a "good man". NOTHING about specific plans of action or ways to fix this problem besides vague campaign promises. People were fooled. They played right into Bush's little ad campaign and public image.

Of course it's not surprising, considering half the country was screaming for Clinton to be out of office for a minor indiscretion in his personal life that was no one's business in the first place. See, conservative white bread America [i]does[/i] choose on morals and not political qualifications.
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Paru · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:28 pm Post subject:

At the risk of ranting I shall just say this: I don't think Bush should've won. Kerry shouldn't have either though. So, um.....

NADER 4 EVAR!
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Mik · Newb Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 12

[quote="TomtheMighty (Tom Moorhead)"]Has anyone seen the county by county election result map? Almost every single county was Red (Bush) the only blue ones (Kerry) where the counties with the big metropolitan areas, the northeastern united states and parts of New Mexico. What does that tell you? That the democratic party has no clue about the average American's values are.

Another thing:

If Global Warming does exist, and the ice caps melt and the oceans rise, the Democratic Party will be all but wiped out.[/quote]
Whether it be Republican, Democratic, green, tax payer.. ect.. I don't think the Party makes the person.. It should just be voting on who can do the best job, cause you can get a rotten apple in all of those parties.. it's just people. It's best to see what your getting yourself into..

I looked at the result map too.. I noticed that, as I said before I don't think it's effecting everywhere.. When you have several companies pick up and outsource, that's thousands of people out of work.. it effects other companies in the area that end up going out of business, and that's more people looking for work.. with not being able to find good jobs, usually all the low paying jobs get picked up quickly cause you need to make enough income.. The smaller counties have alot of businesses that are locally owned, and not picking up and leaving... If you are in a small town and the main factory that supports that town, that everyone works at outsources, or goes under.. then you will in fact be affected by it. I live in Michigan, the car companies seem to love to outsource, we've lost so many jobs out here.. well, at least in the area I'm in.. We just had another Factory go out of business again today, that's 400 more people looking for work.. Since Bush has been in office there has been more then over 2.7 million jobs lossed.

so.. if someone isn't in the midst of this stuff, doesn't notice the price changes in meds, or even need those.. if there is no change in their life, then it really doesn't matter who is in office. A friend of mine she voted for Bush cause she didn't like Kerry's looks... it's as plain as that.. others said that they thought Kerry was weak, and Bush would win the war.. But nobody could tell me why they thought Bush was the best guy for that job? I guess we will just have to wait longer.. or you could just go see how wise the other countries think Bush is with this war.. cause you won't get a straight answer from our news.

Fallen, I heard alot of that too... never really heard any good reason's to back Bush... was usually stuff they liked about him as a person.. About the political stance with Clinton, sure.. he messed around, but he created 23 million jobs.. yup, as you said they go for morals over the political qualifications..

PhunkYMunkY · Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:31 am Post subject:

Awww am so happy you feel safe ^_^

...Pity the rest of the world doesn't :ph34r:

ruppy007 · Has No Life Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 596

I agree 100% with Gray here.

majohime · Very bored Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 240

[quote="StarMew11 (Maria)"] Yay!!! I'm glad Bush won!!!
I feel much safer with him ^_^ [/quote]
That's nice.....except were far from safe right now.

War creates tension between countries...then creates bitterness...leading to the creation of terrorists....then terrorist attacks. If there wasn't a war, then we'll be slightly safer. Then we wouldn't have to spend much of our tax money on security and military.

Mik · Newb Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 12

[quote="majohime (Marie T)"][quote="StarMew11 (Maria)"] Yay!!! I'm glad Bush won!!!
I feel much safer with him ^_^ [/quote]
That's nice.....except were far from safe right now.

War creates tension between countries...then creates bitterness...leading to the creation of terrorists....then terrorist attacks. If there wasn't a war, then we'll be slightly safer. Then we wouldn't have to spend much of our tax money on security and military.[/quote]
Hey, alot of people are letting us know how they feel about the election.. Wink

Site really came together really quickly...

http://www.sorryeverybody.com (link is that, but it's not working at the moment.. a direct link to the site is

http://72.3.131.10/

iamem0tionless · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:02 pm Post subject:

[quote="slet (Jan Alink)"] I thought of typing a long reply here, but just realised that there is no sense in doing so. The Bush voters are all morons who can't be convinced anyway cuz their stubborn little bastards. [/quote]
Hmm... So you're bashing them for their opinion by calling them morons, it makes you and the other Kerry supporters look so great, doesn't it?

Even though I am still anti-Bush, I knew he'd win. There's nothing that can be done about it now so we might as well accept it and move on (as was said many times by many others on this thread). One of the things that bothers me is the proposal that says marriage is between a man and a woman passed in all states that it was up in. That was a big part of what I was worried about.

Along with that, as was said before, the economy is going down greatly. I really HOPE Bush fixes this, though I doubt it will happen. My father can't even find work in Michigan beause all of the jobs that he would normally get have gone to other countries. I really didn't like Kerry much, anyway. I'm just glad the elections over with and hopefully everyone can move on. I'm really getting tired of kids in my school bashing other kids for their politcal beliefs.