New Layout On Main Site

[Raymei]

the top 10 was okay, but I think this way the Fanfictions, etc will get more attention (since in order to see pictures there's a button right next to it to see written work too)


A lot of the people I talked to didn't even know that that button was there on the original page set up

[cstdenis]

[b]QUOTE[/b] (Isami)

My suggestion would be the main font used for the site. Times New Roman seems a little out of place. I think something a little softer and sans serif might work, like Arial, Verdana, or Tomaha (erm... sp??). Whatever you have used here in the forums would work nice![/quote] I tried to change the font, but it didn't look right. This will take some work to make look right. [b]QUOTE[/b] (Lexar) too bad the aproval queue amount is gone in the new layout. It helped me pick a good time to upload pictures[/quote] Its back, on the Add Fanwork page. [b]QUOTE[/b] (Stratadrake) The "Add Fanwork" and "Edit Profile" buttons appear even when you're not logged in to the main site. If you're not logged in when you click on one, you should get a message saying that you need to be registered and/or logged in first. [/quote] Problem with removing them, less bottom row than top row buttons doesn't work well. But I did remove the edit profile when no logged in and fixed the error message. [b]QUOTE[/b] (Me) in improving the thumbnails I had to purge their cache so expect the site to run slower for a few days while the thumbnail cache gets rebuilt. [/quote] This is done now. The search skin thing pointed out by Raymei has been fixed. [quote]Y'know, I kinda miss the lack of the "Latest 10 Pictures" on the main page sometimes...[/quote] Not sure what purpose it would serve. The pictures of the hour make a good quick look at a picture kind of thing and all recent pics are listed (and thumbnailed) but their submission time. They just took up space on the front page, that space will be used for another purpose in the future. _________________ You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. Back to top EN1X Site Helper Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 764 Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:38 am    Post subject: [quote="cstdenis (Webmaster)"] [b]QUOTE[/b] (Lexar) too bad the aproval queue amount is gone in the new layout. It helped me pick a good time to upload pictures[/quote] Its back, on the Add Fanwork page. [/quote] Think you could put it back on the approval page for us Approval Panel people? I found it quite useful there. If not, no biggie... ^.^ Back to top Stratadrake Elder Than Dirt Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 13721 Location: Moo Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:59 am    Post subject: [quote]Problem with removing them, less bottom row than top row buttons doesn't work well. But I did remove the edit profile when no logged in and fixed the error message.[/quote] The buttons [i]themselves[/i] don't need to be removed. They can just be de-linked, and/or have a "blank" button image to show in their place. [quote][quote]in improving the thumbnails I had to purge their cache so expect the site to run slower for a few days while the thumbnail cache gets rebuilt.[/quote] This is done now.[/quote] Is that why, recently when I viewed a thumbnails listing, it seems to load erratically (loading... stop... loading... stop... loading... stop, loading..., etc.) ? It's the only place on FAC (or anywhere on the Net) where I've seen such behavior.... _________________ Strata here: [url=http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/242293]Nanowrimo[/url] - [url=www.fanart-central.net/user-Stratadrake.php]FAC[/url] - [url=http://stratadrake.deviantart.com]dA[/url] - [url=www.furaffinity.net/user/Stratadrake/]FA[/url] [size=9]Disclaimer: Posts may contain URLs. Click [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife]at your own risk.[/url][/size] Back to top cstdenis Evil Overlord Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 6490 Location: In the tubes. Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:30 pm    Post subject: [quote]Is that why, recently when I viewed a thumbnails listing, it seems to load erratically (loading... stop... loading... stop... loading... stop, loading..., etc.) ? It's the only place on FAC (or anywhere on the Net) where I've seen such behavior.... [/quote] Don't know, maybe http keep alive or somthing. _________________ You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. Back to top Stratadrake Elder Than Dirt Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 13721 Location: Moo Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:46 pm    Post subject: I don't know. Take a look: Screencaps from System Monitor showing my modem activity. As a 56k, its average speed ranges from 4kb to 7kb per second. On the left side is my modem activity sampled/averaged once every 30 seconds, measuring about 2kb per second, pitiful even by 56k standards. On the right side is my modem activity sampled once every 3 seconds. Go, stop, go, stop (average of 2 thumbnails' worth of data for each interval), no clue why it's happening, but notice that just before it stops there's a burst of extra data sent across the wire. This didn't happen at all until the server/database change, now it happens everytime I go to any thumbnail listing. And that's the [b]only[/b] place it happens :huh: _________________ Strata here: [url=http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/242293]Nanowrimo[/url] - [url=www.fanart-central.net/user-Stratadrake.php]FAC[/url] - [url=http://stratadrake.deviantart.com]dA[/url] - [url=www.furaffinity.net/user/Stratadrake/]FA[/url] [size=9]Disclaimer: Posts may contain URLs. Click [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife]at your own risk.[/url][/size] Back to top cstdenis Evil Overlord Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 6490 Location: In the tubes. Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:20 pm    Post subject: The database is only used to generate the html, so if the page is loaded, but not the thumbnails, its not that. The graph looks like its requesting thumbnails 2 at a time, this may be part of the way your web browser works. Try using IE and see if it does the same. On slow dialup, even if the thumbs are being generated, the slowdown should be minimal. It may be the keepalive settings. If you get the same thing in IE, I'll expariment with the keepalive in apache (I lowered it for preformance reasons quite some time ago) _________________ You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. Back to top Stratadrake Elder Than Dirt Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 13721 Location: Moo Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:59 pm    Post subject: Oh! Another clue: The stop-go behavior doesn't happen for linked thumbnails, only uploaded ones. In NS, when viewing a thumbnails list with mixed linked/uploaded pictures, the "stop-go" behavior doesn't set in until most of the linked images have finished loading. Okay, now trying the Recent Thumbnails listing in IE5.... Bah! IE5 gave up and left me with a blizzard of Red X's Of Doom to contend with... ([i]begins clicking "Show Picture" like a madman...[/i]) But other than that (an IE5 fault? ) -- solid transfer rate, no hiccups. Now testing how IE behaves on my gallery thumbnail listing.... ...and it happens again. IE5 loaded about 75 (out of 90) thumbnails, the rest get the Red-X-Of-Doom treatment. But still no hiccups in the transfer rate. Now testing my gallery thumbnails on NS7.2... a few momentary dips in the transfer rate (about once every 10-15 seconds), but no dead stops. Hmm... final test for now, Recent (Yesterday's) Thumbnails page on NS7.2.... ... and I'm not seeing any large gaps in the transfer rate. Weird -- if you tweaked a setting server-side, for all I know that could have been it. * * * * * On another note, I saw the approval queue stat on the Add Fanwork page. Yay! Myself, I think the best part about it isn't the fact that it's back where we can find it, but the little rating next to it saying "Moderate" or "High" _________________ Strata here: [url=http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/242293]Nanowrimo[/url] - [url=www.fanart-central.net/user-Stratadrake.php]FAC[/url] - [url=http://stratadrake.deviantart.com]dA[/url] - [url=www.furaffinity.net/user/Stratadrake/]FA[/url] [size=9]Disclaimer: Posts may contain URLs. Click [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife]at your own risk.[/url][/size] Back to top cstdenis Evil Overlord Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 6490 Location: In the tubes. Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: I didn't change nothin'. The intermitant nature of your problem makes it even harder to track down...... IE generally gives up on loading things faster than other browsers. I'm on fast cable, and even in the middle of the night, I can't get a page of them to load when set at 500 per page (about 400 worth load). I think you just need to get yourself a highspeed connection. _________________ You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. Back to top Stratadrake Elder Than Dirt Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 13721 Location: Moo Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:15 pm    Post subject: Afraid that might be the case -- intermittent bugs are THE WORST kind.... [quote]I can't get a page of them to load when set at 500 per page (about 400 worth load).[/quote] Five... hundred? Whoa, I didn't know the pages could be set that high... not that I'd be one to do that, because shorter pages are easier to surf.... And, chances of getting a high-speed connection around my home are essentially zero. _________________ Strata here: [url=http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/242293]Nanowrimo[/url] - [url=www.fanart-central.net/user-Stratadrake.php]FAC[/url] - [url=http://stratadrake.deviantart.com]dA[/url] - [url=www.furaffinity.net/user/Stratadrake/]FA[/url] [size=9]Disclaimer: Posts may contain URLs. Click [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife]at your own risk.[/url][/size] Back to top cstdenis Evil Overlord Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 6490 Location: In the tubes. Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:10 pm    Post subject: Or you could just use a normal color scheme ... fine, I'll set the BG white, thats easy enough. _________________ You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. Back to top Raymei Oldbie Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2115 Location: California Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: lol Denis Oh, and I just noticed how the names highlight at the bottom now when you hover over them n.n really cool! this new layout feels a lot more open and clean. love it!! Back to top johnofe Newb Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 17 Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:17 pm    Post subject: I had an idea for the main page logo: Along with the FAC mascots you could have little cartoonised head shot pics of the main staff and their names under them who run the site, especially Denis. Back to top Raymei Oldbie Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2115 Location: California Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: that might be a little bit too much work to get started and maintain. They're always adding new helpers and such. o.o but it sounds like a cute idea n.n Back to top DaBear Site Helper Joined: 30 Jan 2004 Posts: 782 Location: Jersey Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:00 am    Post subject: I love the Christmas thing you have going on right now!!! whoever came up with the idea, hats off to you!!! Bruce _________________ 'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.' - Ronald Reagan Back to top KotokoPlum How can I get a custom title thing? Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 837 Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:38 am    Post subject: Yes, I agree. The Christmas design is adorable. Back to top Lexar Forum Stalker Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129 Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:41 pm    Post subject: I dunno... the blue with the forced red and green doesn't look very good IMO. Sure as a gimmick it could be funny at christmas but not if we have to look at it an entire month, for pete's sake it's barely december yet. Back to top layzcarter I used to work here Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3988 Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:33 pm    Post subject: It's december 8th.... christmas is in less than 20 days..... _________________ [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/gellypen/spearslut.png[/img] Back to top Stratadrake Elder Than Dirt Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 13721 Location: Moo Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:19 pm    Post subject: [quote]I dunno... the blue with the forced red and green doesn't look very good IMO.[/quote] It buurrrnnnsss! It burns us! :rolleyes: Um, yeah. Blue on red like that has seriously got to be THE most jarring color contrast ever invented. Any other link color would look better on a red backdrop (e.g. #008000, #000080, #800080, etc.), but not standard blue. 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[EN1X]

[quote="cstdenis (Webmaster)"]

[b]QUOTE[/b] (Lexar)

too bad the aproval queue amount is gone in the new layout. It helped me pick a good time to upload pictures[/quote] Its back, on the Add Fanwork page. [/quote] Think you could put it back on the approval page for us Approval Panel people? I found it quite useful there. If not, no biggie... ^.^

[Stratadrake]

[quote]Problem with removing them, less bottom row than top row buttons doesn't work well. But I did remove the edit profile when no logged in and fixed the error message.[/quote]

The buttons [i]themselves[/i] don't need to be removed. They can just be de-linked, and/or have a "blank" button image to show in their place.

[quote][quote]in improving the thumbnails I had to purge their cache so expect the site to run slower for a few days while the thumbnail cache gets rebuilt.[/quote]

This is done now.[/quote]

Is that why, recently when I viewed a thumbnails listing, it seems to load erratically (loading... stop... loading... stop... loading... stop, loading..., etc.) ? It's the only place on FAC (or anywhere on the Net) where I've seen such behavior....
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[cstdenis]

[quote]Is that why, recently when I viewed a thumbnails listing, it seems to load erratically (loading... stop... loading... stop... loading... stop, loading..., etc.) ? It's the only place on FAC (or anywhere on the Net) where I've seen such behavior.... [/quote]
Don't know, maybe http keep alive or somthing.
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[Stratadrake]

I don't know. Take a look: Screencaps from System Monitor showing my modem activity. As a 56k, its average speed ranges from 4kb to 7kb per second.

On the left side is my modem activity sampled/averaged once every 30 seconds, measuring about 2kb per second, pitiful even by 56k standards.

On the right side is my modem activity sampled once every 3 seconds. Go, stop, go, stop (average of 2 thumbnails' worth of data for each interval), no clue why it's happening, but notice that just before it stops there's a burst of extra data sent across the wire.

This didn't happen at all until the server/database change, now it happens everytime I go to any thumbnail listing. And that's the [b]only[/b] place it happens :huh:
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[cstdenis]

The database is only used to generate the html, so if the page is loaded, but not the thumbnails, its not that.

The graph looks like its requesting thumbnails 2 at a time, this may be part of the way your web browser works. Try using IE and see if it does the same.

On slow dialup, even if the thumbs are being generated, the slowdown should be minimal. It may be the keepalive settings. If you get the same thing in IE, I'll expariment with the keepalive in apache (I lowered it for preformance reasons quite some time ago)
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[Stratadrake]

Oh! Another clue: The stop-go behavior doesn't happen for linked thumbnails, only uploaded ones. In NS, when viewing a thumbnails list with mixed linked/uploaded pictures, the "stop-go" behavior doesn't set in until most of the linked images have finished loading.

Okay, now trying the Recent Thumbnails listing in IE5....

Bah! IE5 gave up and left me with a blizzard of Red X's Of Doom to contend with... ([i]begins clicking "Show Picture" like a madman...[/i])

But other than that (an IE5 fault? ) -- solid transfer rate, no hiccups.

Now testing how IE behaves on my gallery thumbnail listing....

...and it happens again. IE5 loaded about 75 (out of 90) thumbnails, the rest get the Red-X-Of-Doom treatment. But still no hiccups in the transfer rate.

Now testing my gallery thumbnails on NS7.2... a few momentary dips in the transfer rate (about once every 10-15 seconds), but no dead stops.

Hmm... final test for now, Recent (Yesterday's) Thumbnails page on NS7.2....

... and I'm not seeing any large gaps in the transfer rate. Weird -- if you tweaked a setting server-side, for all I know that could have been it.

* * * * *

On another note, I saw the approval queue stat on the Add Fanwork page. Yay! Myself, I think the best part about it isn't the fact that it's back where we can find it, but the little rating next to it saying "Moderate" or "High"
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[cstdenis]

I didn't change nothin'. The intermitant nature of your problem makes it even harder to track down......


IE generally gives up on loading things faster than other browsers. I'm on fast cable, and even in the middle of the night, I can't get a page of them to load when set at 500 per page (about 400 worth load).


I think you just need to get yourself a highspeed connection.
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[Stratadrake]

Afraid that might be the case -- intermittent bugs are THE WORST kind....

[quote]I can't get a page of them to load when set at 500 per page (about 400 worth load).[/quote]

Five... hundred? Whoa, I didn't know the pages could be set that high... not that I'd be one to do that, because shorter pages are easier to surf....

And, chances of getting a high-speed connection around my home are essentially zero.
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[cstdenis]

Or you could just use a normal color scheme
...
fine, I'll set the BG white, thats easy enough.
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[Raymei]

lol Denis

Oh, and I just noticed how the names highlight at the bottom now when you hover over them n.n really cool!

this new layout feels a lot more open and clean. love it!!

[johnofe]

I had an idea for the main page logo:
Along with the FAC mascots you could have little cartoonised head shot pics of the main staff and their names under them who run the site, especially Denis.

[Raymei]

that might be a little bit too much work to get started and maintain.
They're always adding new helpers and such. o.o but it sounds like a cute idea n.n

[DaBear]

I love the Christmas thing you have going on right now!!! whoever came up with the idea, hats off to you!!!

Bruce
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[KotokoPlum]

Yes, I agree. The Christmas design is adorable.

[Lexar]

I dunno... the blue with the forced red and green doesn't look very good IMO. Sure as a gimmick it could be funny at christmas but not if we have to look at it an entire month, for pete's sake it's barely december yet.

[layzcarter]

It's december 8th.... christmas is in less than 20 days.....
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[Stratadrake]

[quote]I dunno... the blue with the forced red and green doesn't look very good IMO.[/quote]

It buurrrnnnsss! It burns us! :rolleyes:

Um, yeah. Blue on red like that has seriously got to be THE most jarring color contrast ever invented. Any other link color would look better on a red backdrop (e.g. #008000, #000080, #800080, etc.), but not standard blue.

Oh, DG-Sama's mascot (on the right) doesn't show correctly, she's shoved off the right edge and all you see is the sleigh and reindeer.

Other than that, the Christmas scheme kicks!
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