Communism In Music

[ragingflea002]

Alright. This is finally an issue. Glad it is, because I hate commies.
We have a few people who don't like the way we express our opinions. Oh my God, how evil, that we, the people, should use forums to express our views. I'm talking about Forum Communism.
If we don't like a band, and you hate the way we express our views, you won't like our response, trust me. You think we should cushion our views? Censor them to appeal to the masses? Just to make people happy?
We're not all equal here, people. At least in individual tastes. We don't take away everything from you unless you let us, not force you to do so. This isn't communism.
So:
"I don't like Evanescence for "__________"(reason)"
"You know, you're just jealous. Maybe you should keep your mouth shut and deal with it"
Communism. Why? In a communist state, you can't say a bad thing about anyone without getting punished. Everyone is watching everyone. No individuality. Why do you think people immigrate to the US from Cuba? It's that bad.
Don't make these Music Forums, or these forums althogether Cuba. Denis is no Castro(more of an evil overlord, ya dig?) and we're no commie Nazis.
So we don't like your band or you don't think we're as good because we're not famous and they are.
There are more talented guitarists than Slash out there, I've met them. They can solo faster and longer and can play everything he plays by ear the second time. They're not famous because everyone loves some other style. It's an issue of image.
That becomes a communist state right there. I'm not conforming to any image. I'm not gonna lose my identity to the masses. Screw them and live.
So, take the hint. We're all human individuals. Don't like that?
I'll be more than happy to create a communist forums for you.
So take that or live and let live.
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[fallenangel]

I'd just like to point out, for anyone silently thinking "omg she just criticizes other people's favorites"... I have some common sense about what is appropriate. Positive or negative, do any of you want to talk about Tuff or Faster Pussycat or Hanoi Rocks or Kix? Whether I say how much I like them or point out things they lack, no one cares or has any idea what I'm talking about, so I don't bring it up (leave that stuff where it belongs). And I mean really talk about them, not "ur avatar looks like a bunch of fags" or "I heard that one song, it sucked". Didn't think so.

Evanescence and Linkin Park and Good Charlotte and Sum 41 and all the other trendwhores are what people here know, so that's what is talked about. Not everyone loves them, and a few people have some damn valid reasons for not liking them. Live with it. It's not a personal insult that [i]they[/i] suck. And if anyone feels so inclined, they'd be welcome to point out valid reasons for bands I like sucking. I'd probably agree and could point out a lot you didn't realize, though. If someone, for whatever reason, has heard every D'Molls song and wants to tear 'em up, whatever. But even my favorite bands that are more popular (Gn'R, Van Halen, Led Zep, etc.), most people here don't have the foundation to really form an opinion with evidence. Just a "like" or "don't like" opinion.

It's just...really a sucky attitude people here have. There's a few people really dedicated to music in an impartial manner, no matter how much some would like to debate that, and there's a bunch of casual fans who just want to verbally jack off the MTV bands. Which is fine if they want to do that, but then just ignore the criticism.

I don't want to sit around drooling over bands. That's boring. I know what I like and don't really care what anyone else likes because it doesn't concern me. But an actual conversation, exchange of ideas and observations, is interesting. Just because it's not worshipping the band doesn't make it "bad". Wanna start a thread about everything wrong with Guns n' Roses? I'll play. Axl is a prick. He's not [i]that[/i] good of a singer in the classical sense. Duff spent 90% of the time falling down drunk. The Spaghetti Incident sucked. November Rain is lame.

No band is perfect. But if MTV babies are what's popular, that's what comes up. Until Pussycat makes a comeback or something. Yeah. Everyone lighten up. It's just talk.
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[Lexar]

I know this isn't the issue, but 'communism' isn't the same as totalitarianism or this orwellian scenario you talk about. Communism is more the strive for equality and worship of the working class employee. So FAC communism would be something like giving n00bs moderator powers for example.

You must be thinking something like: "There he goes again.... <_< " but I feel very strongly about this.

[fallenangel]

Exactly what we're thinking. Moving on...
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[TheSereneWolf]

The Nazis were Fascist...right? Not Communist? ..........That made me feel smart for a moment there...

On the subject at hand...Hell, say whatever you want. It doesn't affect me, or my particular views. Instead, it gives me something to think about....makes me question those views. That's a good thing (It's always a good thing to question your opinions...otherwise, how would we form new ones?), but...and there IS a but, I can understand where the people who bitch are coming from. There IS a certain feeling of "hey, you can't talk badly about what I like you fuckin' moron!" I figure it's a natural human reaction to a preconceived notion being challenged by another...We defend our positions. Like idiots...even when we know we could be wrong...

If I missed the point...it's 5 A.M. gimme a fuckin' break...

WARNING: Useless Rambling Ahead

Nobody cares, I know, but bear with me here...My mom was in a band when I was growin' up, and she had a phenomenal voice (Not just my opinion, that of many, many, many different judges and audiences.) and thanks to that upbringing I've developed an affinity for music's sound, not the reasoning, enhancing, or other bullshit that goes on behind the scenes. If it sounds good to me...I like it...again...nodbody cares, so what, here it is. That's my reason for liking some of those MTV bands, as you put it...if you can call it a reason. <_<

[Grissey]

[quote="Lexar (Lexar)"] Communism is more the strive for equality and worship of the working class employee. So FAC communism would be something like giving n00bs moderator powers for example.
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while the mods become n00bs <_< so much for your equality

I know lexar, we have different political opinions

[fallenangel]

[quote]Nobody cares, I know, but bear with me here...My mom was in a band when I was growin' up, and she had a phenomenal voice (Not just my opinion, that of many, many, many different judges and audiences.) and thanks to that upbringing I've developed an affinity for music's sound, not the reasoning, enhancing, or other bullshit that goes on behind the scenes. If it sounds good to me...I like it...again...nodbody cares, so what, here it is. That's my reason for liking some of those MTV bands, as you put it...if you can call it a reason. [/quote]

And that's a perfectly valid reason for liking something. Most people like a particular band 'cause they like the way they sound. But "they sound pretty!" isn't an argument for talent or skill, n' that's all we've been trying to say. I wouldn't even attempt to defend Poison as the U2 of hair metal or anything more than a party band with the occasional thought that wasn't sex or booze, I just like the tunes. And all the people who hate them have good reasons. I dislike people who are overly defensive of bands I personally like, too. There's a lot of horrible Poison and Crue and Gn'R fans out there that I'd like to kick in the head...
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[TheSereneWolf]

People just take it too far sometimes, they're only bands, not the creators of existence or anything...Though some devotees tend to disagree on that point. Why don't people get this adamant about things that actually matter? Politics, feeding the homeless...stuff like that...well, maybe not politics, but the homeless are hungry, damn it!

Honestly, I'm surprised my reason was valid...I was just grasping at straws there...and that seemed to be the best choice, other than "noise make ears feel good!"

[fallenangel]

*ahem* Even though I've been known to be completely fascinated by a 17 page discussion/catfight about Phil Lewis, I mostly agree. Maybe it's 'cause a lot of the current bands are still in their "millions of people love me" honeymoon period.
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[ragingflea002]

[quote="Lexar (Lexar)"] I know this isn't the issue, but 'communism' isn't the same as totalitarianism or this orwellian scenario you talk about. Communism is more the strive for equality and worship of the working class employee. So FAC communism would be something like giving n00bs moderator powers for example.

You must be thinking something like: "There he goes again.... <_< " but I feel very strongly about this. [/quote]
No, you've got it wrong.. Missing the point LEX.
This is about the people who think that there is only one right answer, that everyone should agree. Basically, COMMUNISM. I'm not talking about the authority, I'm talking about the people who respond to a topic like:
You really shouldn't say that. It's wrong. If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all.
I'm sick of these people. They want us all to agree(they don't realize it) that it's not right to have our personal opinion(if it's against the subject) expressed. That we shouldn't say anything at all if we don't agree.
I call it communism. You can call it what you want, but names aren't the point. The point is:
If you think we're being too harsh, bitch about it in your own time and thread. Don't jack up another thread to say "you shouldn't say anything if you have nothing good to say". It's not something that's going to be done.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[fallenangel]

Capital Records blows... Geffen is where it's at (despite their money-hungry, band abusing, lousy managing, but no label is perfect ).

Or better yet, Liquor and Poker. Any label that puts out Hanoi is a good label...
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[_matt_]

the only reason why other people dont like you guys coming in and trashing their already sh*tty bands is because you know more about them... besides, i doubt any of them know who: "the locust, modest mouse, coheed and cambria, cancer conspiracy, jawbreaker, fugazi, saetia, the faint or even motorhead" are! punk is dead, get over youselves, chickies.

[ragingflea002]

[quote="_matt_ (_lee_)"] motorhead [/quote]
Lemmy!! The dude with the Rickenbaker bass. Pure madness.
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Not all who wander are lost.
"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."