Punk, Rock, Pop You Decided.....

[Phill_Russell]

I am a Good Charlotte fan, all I hear all the time is there posers, what makes them posers I ask. They repond by them trying to be "punk." To be quite honest I dont really see what "punk" is I dont see how they even got put under that, its not like they went around claiming that they were, people put them there. What I am trying to say is people are to judgemental, instead of not liking something for some lame ass exusses. This doesnt Just go for GOod Charlotte it goes for alot of bands, But on there Young and the Hopeless album Benji put it the best way, in the song the younge and the hopless, "These critics and these trust fund kids try to tell me what punk is but when they see me on th street they got nothing to say" as in other words people cant grow some balls and speak up to there faces. So if your going to run your mouth about for some bands for the stupidest reasons I think that if you are willing to actully say the stuff to there face instead of being startstrucked have at it, but until then peace out.

[n8comics]

They're posers because they act "punk" but they really aren't. I dunno.

[_matt_]

fallen and flea will have fun today.

from what i've gathered, this is "good charlotte:"

this post-grunge (punk) band is almost identical to the corporate alt. rockers blink 182 and third eye blind. composed of five generic punk figures, they originated in 1996 as a shy backalley group. joel madden and his bro were inspired by the beastie boys when they saw them play in '95, neither of them ever sang or played an instrument in thier lives. now that says something right there. formed good charlotte with some highschool pals and based their sound off the much blatant '70s punk rock. first album released in 2000, got a gig on mtv jv and were the late night rock show on "all things rock." cause don't we know, everything from mtv is good... second album released in 2002, put into the mainstream in 2003 and punked up some angsty teens.

the term "punk" is just generally their style of music. it is also called: "post-grunge,"ska-punk," "thrid wave ska revival," "alternative rock" and just generally "alternate-anything." punk bands usually mainstream and sterotype punk as how they dress. spikey hair, raggedy clothes, oddly dyed hair colors, rings where they don't belong. their songs are more aimed at angsty teens as they sing about sorrow and how their lives are misserible. well, half the time it's bullshit because their life as rockers is pretty much as good as it gets. money, fame, sex and parties... that's the life for me. B)

there you have it, i don't know if i've carried on the fallen/flea legacy, but atleast i did it without being too negative, eh?

[Beatlechick90]

Do you know any REAL punk bands? Such as The Ramones, Sex Pistols, and The Clash? That is punk. Good Charlotte is a retarded boy band.
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[ragingflea002]

[quote="Phill_Russell (Phillip Russell)"] I am a Good Charlotte fan, all I hear all the time is there posers, what makes them posers I ask. They repond by them trying to be "punk." To be quite honest I dont really see what "punk" is I dont see how they even got put under that, its not like they went around claiming that they were, people put them there. What I am trying to say is people are to judgemental, instead of not liking something for some lame ass exusses. This doesnt Just go for GOod Charlotte it goes for alot of bands, But on there Young and the Hopeless album Benji put it the best way, in the song the younge and the hopless, "These critics and these trust fund kids try to tell me what punk is but when they see me on th street they got nothing to say" as in other words people cant grow some balls and speak up to there faces. So if your going to run your mouth about for some bands for the stupidest reasons I think that if you are willing to actully say the stuff to there face instead of being startstrucked have at it, but until then peace out. [/quote]
Hey, mi amigo. I have your anti punk poser pop shit down right here. Oh my, shall I have fun to-NIGGGGGGGGGHTTTTTT.
Ah, yes. Benji. Full of it, may I say. The critics? No, the critics have nothing to do with it all. You see, the difference between punk and punk poser is posers label themselves. Ramones didn't label themselves punk. Sex Pistols didn't label themselves punk, and you can thank Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious for inspiring innocent little "give me hope to live" Good Charlotte.
They regret it, by the way. Rotten wishes he was dead rather than watch those bitches onstage. Honestly, Good Charlotte has the skill of shit. Powerchords aren't acceptable unless you're Kurt Cobain(he cancels out. He could at least write good lyrics).
Good Charlotte's lyrics are dirt cheap supposed to be deep bullshit.
Come on....."The Anthem".... The best damn anthem on this God forsaken planet in my opinion is AC/DC's "Rock N' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution". Listen to good music, and you shall be saved.
Good Charlotte, I've seen them. Hopefully you've realized that "Lifestyles of the Rich and the Famous" is pure irony(they are the rich and the famous) and Jesus Christ, if Billy couldn't look more like my bitchy ROTC Class Leader(who is a she).
No, I shall give you the names of some punk bands, actual PUNK bands.
Ramones
Misfits
Sex Pistols
Clash
Cure
Nirvana
Soundgarden
Minor Threat
Listen to them. They're good. The following list of posers isn't.
Avril Lavigne
Good Charlotte
Simple Plan
New Found Glory
Linkin Park
Lindsay Lohan
Evanescence(yeah, nothin more than a distorted punk guitar)
I'll give you an idea of a poser, my friend. Being a poser is choosing an image, telling everyone you ARE that image, then wussing out, trying to BE that image. Sort of like a high school conversation, as quoted below:
"Hey, a question, what's with the balck makeup."
"I'm punk, whatcha gonna do?"
"Uh, nothing. You look kinda screwed up."
"Yeah, well, no one understands me, so..."
"I think I understand you."
"No you don't."
"Yeah, I do. You give head for a buck ninety nine, dontcha?"
"FUCK YOU. I TOLD YOU YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND"
"Ok, ok. Bad joke on my part. But, uh, what makes you punk?"
"I don't know."
"How did you become punk? I mean, who told you you were?"
"Uh....."
"Oh, you decided you were yourself?"
"Yeah, you know."
"Yeah, you're a poser."
"You know what, screw you."
"Love to. What time, POSER."
"I'M NOT A POSER."
"Who are the Ramones?"
"Who?"
And at that point, you know they've been listening to Avril. Good Charlotte adopted the image. They didn't wait for anyone to label them, they labelled themselves. Your argument on the critics(and Benji's too) isn't applicable because the critics would have ignored them altogether if they hadn't done the eqivalent of climbing to the top of the Empire State, screaming "I'M SO PUNK!!!!!!"
It ain't that hard to write punk poser lyrics....
[i]Oh why is life so goddamn hard
I feel so bad I cannot start myself
To love and yet I hate
I want to feel so concentrate
My life is shattered
Broken peices cover the floor
I have no peace
My life is nothing so help myself
Nothing more than a broken heart
Left on your shelf[/i]
Yeah, symbolism, whining, we get it right now. They need to philosophize.
"[b][u]Why bitch about how much life sucks when you can make life bitching?[/u][/b]"
-Crash
Honestly, shut up about life. I don't wanna hear it. It's the basics. Read the words in caps below:
WE ALL KNOW LIFE IS FUCKIN' HARD SO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT AND FUCKIN' LIVE.
Listen to some actual music. Guns N' Roses, Velvet Revolver, AC/DC, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Quiet Riot, Twisted Sister, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Hell, even Loverboy for Christ's sakes.
Just shut the Hell up about your life and live. I don't wanna hear it, and if you do, I hope you whine for the rest for your life and set yourself on fire.
Because life is hard, accept it. And you're not special. You're no special person. You're a maggot just like the rest of us, so instead of whining your ass off, live, make a name for yourself, and tough it out instead of listening to RICH, FAMOUS, MARRIED TO HOT CHICKS BASTARDS WHINING ABOUT THEIR LIVES.
I mean, whats to whine about if you've got the above?
POSERS.

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[Beatlechick90]

Avril Lavigne is certainly not punk and never said she was. Whatever gave the media the impression that she was is beyond me, because she is obviously not punk.
(Avril, by the way, is the only person I like on that list of poseurs you posted. I hate the rest of them, [i]especially [/i] Linkin Park)
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[ragingflea002]

I forgot to mention Avril's unique poser behavior.
She was playing country before she went "punk", right after she picked up the Nirvana "Greatest Hits" album and went to Hot Topic. Might I also add she cannot play guitar, as admitted in an interview where she said:
"I don't think you really need to know how to play. You just finger what you feel, you know?"
No, I don't really know. I know how to make a melody in my head when I feel, then impose it on that fretboard, but that's about it.
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[Beatlechick90]

AVRIL. IS. NOT. PUNK.
And, yeah, I knew about the country thing. You can't really blame her for that, though, because her parents were strict Christians and that's the only thing they would ever let her listen to.
I never read that interview you quoted, and if it's true, that's a pretty strange thing to say. It doesn't sound like her.

Anyways, if you don't like her music that's your opinion and I'm not going to try to change it. Everyone's entitled to their own views, that's one of the great things about living in a free country.
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[ragingflea002]

[quote]AVRIL. IS. NOT. PUNK.[/quote]
I told you that. Note the "" around punk.
[quote]I never read that interview you quoted, and if it's true, that's a pretty strange thing to say. It doesn't sound like her.[/quote]
Trust me, her cover of "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" makes me wish she did know how.
[quote]And, yeah, I knew about the country thing. You can't really blame her for that, though, because her parents were strict Christians and that's the only thing they would ever let her listen to.[/quote]
Interesting. I blame her still. Country is more constructed than her music. Should have stuck with Shania Twain.
[quote]Anyways, if you don't like her music that's your opinion and I'm not going to try to change it. Everyone's entitled to their own views, that's one of the great things about living in a free country.  [/quote]
Same to you. ^_^ I enjoy a good fan who can at least give reasons for their fandom instead of "OMG THEY ROXXORZ".
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[Phill_Russell]

What I was trying to get across was Good Charlotte a band which never claimed to be punk, was branded it. Which some agree some dont, but because of ones clothing does not determin what tyoe of person they are. I am white am by me sagging my pants is this going to make me anymore black? NO! I am still the same person, because I like my pants this way is this saying that I am trying to be Black? NO! its stateting that I merely dress how I like to. And the Ramones, The Smiths, YES I have heard them before, and the badn dont sing about there problems and such, they sing about whats going on in there life, now if your dad ditched you on Christmas eve and never came back are you saying that you would be ok with that? If your best friend killed himself for really no reasons, like that wouldn't have effect them. Sure if you look at something in the wrong light you can make it appear that way. NOw GC is not following in Blinks footsteps, Blinks lyrics are to a childish point, while GC sings about what effected them. How you get that they sing about sarrow I am not getting, and yes they have it set now but the shi that they have been through they damn well deserv it. Now you see its people like you guys who are the "posers" your the ones who sit back lableing people, think of me what you once... its all good. Maybe I am the poser.. or maybe the whole lableing people is just s fucked up as it seems.

[_matt_]

alternative rock is music.

punk is style.

[ragingflea002]

[quote="Phill_Russell (Phillip Russell)"] 1.What I was trying to get across was Good Charlotte a band which never claimed to be punk, was branded it.
2.Now if your dad ditched you on Christmas eve and never came back are you saying that you would be ok with that? If your best friend killed himself for really no reasons, like that wouldn't have effect them. Sure if you look at something in the wrong light you can make it appear that way.
3. NOw GC is not following in Blinks footsteps, Blinks lyrics are to a childish point.
4. While GC sings about what effected them. How you get that they sing about sarrow I am not getting, and yes they have it set now.
5. the shi that they have been through they damn well deserv it.
6. Now you see its people like you guys who are the "posers" your the ones who sit back lableing people, think of me what you once... its all good.
7. Maybe I am the poser.. or maybe the whole lableing people is just s fucked up as it seems. [/quote]
I love people who don't use logic.
1. Bullshit, they branded themselves. Don't even try to counter taht because if they hadn't branded themselves, they would have been classified as nu metal.
2. I'd stop whining about it because he obviously didn't love me enough to stay. I mean Jesus, you're gonna let that interfere with the rest of your life?
3. So is GC's lyrics, carry on.
4. Hah, don't make me laugh. They went through what we go through every fuckin' day. It's called LIFE.
5. No they don't. I live every day, now where the Hell's my millions of dollars and hot women?
6. You're a fuckin' idiot, you know that? How are we posers by telling you they are? Uh, Good Charlotte mimics, let me see...
1. Nirvana
2. Soundgarden
3. Blink-182(don't argue it)
4. Pearl Jam
5. Beastie Boys
Yeah, they fail to do it right, by the way. They've posed everything those bands have, so they become the poser.
Uh, I'm not posing Led Zeppelin, although I am inspired by Page. I don't pose the RHCP because I haven't been caught for indecent exposure. Uh, I'm not posing Good Charlotte because they're singing about ordinary everyday life. Kinda defeats the purpose.
They labelled themselves, GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL.
7. Dude.....
THEY FUCKIN' LABELLED THEMSELVES, DON'T YOU GET IT? I mean come on. They're really more nu-metal than anything else. Jesus, Rolling Stone can tell you that. The only reason they DON'T is because GC wants the "punk" image because it's what the FAD is now so it appeals to more PEOPLE. It means more MONEY. They're BULLSHITTING you like a fat dude after his daily burrito.
You wanna play "you're dumb, I'm right" with me? Good, keep 'em comin'.

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[Phill_Russell]

GC and Blink are nothing alike, how GC copied Blink is beyond me, kind of funny how we comepare the 2 all the time, when truth be told Blink did a bad job trying to copy Green Day, if anything they would be a disgrace to them.
GC copies them eh?
1. Nirvana -Too hard, GC is alot softer.
2. Soundgarden- Too hard, GC is alot softer.
3. Blink-182(don't argue it) - If any of these, this is who they cound more alike...
4. Pearl Jam- Pearl Jam an 80's band, a complete different sound of music.
5. Beastie Boys- Ok this was a "band" of 3 guys who did rap... yeah that one there was a little bit off. Sure GC looked up too these bands but that dont mean s**t.


2. I'd stop whining about it because he obviously didn't love me enough to stay. I mean Jesus, you're gonna let that interfere with the rest of your life?
you try liveing in and out of cars, working your way through school
supporting yourself and your siblings and your mom while shes in the
hostipital and tell me how that could interfere with rest of your life.
Its a mental stage, it would be hard to get over of, which they did by there
second cd "young and the hopless" with emotionless, that stage is now over!
3. So is GC's lyrics, carry on.
GC lyrics carry on until they get there point across, evidentally you only heard
there boys and girls song........
4. Hah, don't make me laugh. They went through what we go through every fuckin' day. It's called LIFE.
you try liveing in and out of cars, working your way through school
supporting yourself and your siblings and your mom while shes in the
hostipital, not an a life.
5. No they don't. I live every day, now where the Hell's my millions of dollars and hot women?
You may live, yes, but do you have thousands of concerts, interveiws and s**t?
NO YOU DONT! Did your life consist of working job from job trying to pay the bills and keeping your family alive? YOur little comment just made you sound like a dumbass if anything. And yes I am saying that if anyones the poser it would be the people sitting back and dissing, its not the bands/singers who catogorise themsleves, and seems you know so much about NIRVANA! YOU SHOULD f**king KNOW THAT KURT KILLED HIMSELF AFTER BEING LABLED GRUNDGE! HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE LABLED AS SOMETHING NEW/ DIFFERENT!!! AND YES THAT WAS THE FAD THEN BUT DID IT SEEM TO f**king BOTHER HIM NO! SO I GUESS THAT THERE IS MORE TO IT THEN THE MONEY! So heres an idea how about you sit back and try to think of something to top my last comment!
*Kind of funny you try to claim that you use logic.......

[ragingflea002]

[quote="Phill_Russell (Phillip Russell)"] GC and Blink are nothing alike, how GC copied Blink is beyond me, kind of funny how we comepare the 2 all the time, when truth be told Blink did a bad job trying to copy Green Day, if anything they would be a disgrace to them.
GC copies them eh?
1. Nirvana -Too hard, GC is alot softer.
2. Soundgarden- Too hard, GC is alot softer.
3. Blink-182(don't argue it) - If any of these, this is who they cound more alike...
4. Pearl Jam- Pearl Jam an 80's band, a complete different sound of music.
5. Beastie Boys- Ok this was a "band" of 3 guys who did rap... yeah that one there was a little bit off. Sure GC looked up too these bands but that dont mean s**t.


2. I'd stop whining about it because he obviously didn't love me enough to stay. I mean Jesus, you're gonna let that interfere with the rest of your life?
you try liveing in and out of cars, working your way through school
supporting yourself and your siblings and your mom while shes in the
hostipital and tell me how that could interfere with rest of your life.
Its a mental stage, it would be hard to get over of, which they did by there
second cd "young and the hopless" with emotionless, that stage is now over!
3. So is GC's lyrics, carry on.
GC lyrics carry on until they get there point across, evidentally you only heard
there boys and girls song........
4. Hah, don't make me laugh. They went through what we go through every fuckin' day. It's called LIFE.
you try liveing in and out of cars, working your way through school
supporting yourself and your siblings and your mom while shes in the
hostipital, not an a life.
5. No they don't. I live every day, now where the Hell's my millions of dollars and hot women?
You may live, yes, but do you have thousands of concerts, interveiws and s**t?
NO YOU DONT! Did your life consist of working job from job trying to pay the bills and keeping your family alive? YOur little comment just made you sound like a dumbass if anything. And yes I am saying that if anyones the poser it would be the people sitting back and dissing, its not the bands/singers who catogorise themsleves, and seems you know so much about NIRVANA! YOU SHOULD f**king KNOW THAT KURT KILLED HIMSELF AFTER BEING LABLED GRUNDGE! HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE LABLED AS SOMETHING NEW/ DIFFERENT!!! AND YES THAT WAS THE FAD THEN BUT DID IT SEEM TO f**king BOTHER HIM NO! SO I GUESS THAT THERE IS MORE TO IT THEN THE MONEY! So heres an idea how about you sit back and try to think of something to top my last comment!
*Kind of funny you try to claim that you use logic....... [/quote]
My original response was cut off by a bad URL plug in, so I'll be frank.
Cobain killed himself over personal issues NOT A FUCKIN' GENRE. Drug abuse and law issues led to him blowing his skull apart.
He didn't care.
You wanna know the truth? Your lovely band "GC" is gonna die out and no one will ever care. I don't care because I know actual music. Led Zeppelin, Guns N' Roses, AC/DC.
If you think GC is better than those bands, I feel sorry for the fate of the music industry.
I feel compelled to ask you, why do you love to listen to people whining? About life? Do you think it's unique, that they relate to you?
It's a farce, and you fell for it.
I await your next response with much anticipation.
By the way, you're not using any logic compared to any other people in this thread, much less myself. Do you know how the industry operates? I'll fill you in:
My band was denied a public performance because "we didn't relate to the crowd". We needed to be more "angsty". That SELLS. You can't make it without having some form of "MY LIFE SUCKS" in your lyrics.
My band before my current could have made a nice profit, but because we were singing about politics, girls, and drug abuse and alcohol abuse, WE WERE TURNED DOWN. They want ANGST, not reality.
Bam, the industry from someone who knows. Come on, I live in a small city with dozens of recording studios. You can record a demo, send it to who cares who and lose it to some angsty bastards who use no solos, all powerchords with angsty lyrics. While you have the hardcore solos, raging lyrics about everything you love, and the best damn bassist in the Freshman class.
No one CARES about skill, it's about style and image, which GC completed, only they have no SKILL.
Their lyrics aren't deep, their guitar and bass and drums suck, and I wanna shoot the fuckers upside their fuckin' heads.
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[_matt_]

[quote]No one CARES about skill, it's about style and image, which GC completed, only they have no SKILL.[/quote]

[Phill_Russell]

GC will most likely die out yes, most bands will, I never said that they were even on the same level as ACDC and alot of other bands. But theres always that slight chance that GC wont, there cd's seem to be progressing better and better, so you never know they could become legends like some before them. Now I am saying that Green Day is ALOT better then Guns and roses, GC might even be better then Guns and Roses, You said "politics, girls, and drug abuse and alcohol abuse, WE WERE TURNED DOWN" Thats not always the case, you can sing about that and be awsome and have the crowd still love you, listen to ALOT of Green Days songs, but I guess thats really all I have to say for now, I hope I didn't diss-apoint you with my response.

[deb_the_cat]

i like alot of singers and music, but my fave one is Linkin Park. they rock!

i'm still depressed tails is da best my friend.......

[ragingflea002]

[quote="Phill_Russell (Phillip Russell)"] GC will most likely die out yes, most bands will, I never said that they were even on the same level as ACDC and alot of other bands. But theres always that slight chance that GC wont, there cd's seem to be progressing better and better, so you never know they could become legends like some before them. Now I am saying that Green Day is ALOT better then Guns and roses, GC might even be better then Guns and Roses, You said "politics, girls, and drug abuse and alcohol abuse, WE WERE TURNED DOWN" Thats not always the case, you can sing about that and be awsome and have the crowd still love you, listen to ALOT of Green Days songs, but I guess thats really all I have to say for now, I hope I didn't diss-apoint you with my response. [/quote]
Green Day...
Not sure whether to believe that "American Idiot" Green Day is any better than "Shut the fuck up and live" Guns N' Roses. Maybe Billie Jo is a better guitarist than Slash? Maybe Billie Jo has a better stage performance than Axl?
I don't know what you've been listening to....
Also, Good Charlotte will have a better chance of being spared by Axl(the psycho wants them dead) than surpassing Guns. Trust me, they don't have a chance for being called "even better than Guns N' Roses".
Green Day is too simplistic forbeating Guns' stage performance. Billie Jo has terrible guitar skills(3 powerchords used on first album. Major hint).
No, Green Day doesn't have the skill needed to surpass Guns N' Roses(and that can be proven. I would love to see Billie and Slash meet and see who outsolos who)
Now....Green Day is too simple. You're thinking "easy money". I was turned down because it's 2004. No one seems to care anymore. Past is past, future is now.
It's the case nowadays, unless you're Slash, Duff, Sorum, Kushner, and Weiland.
Velvet Revolver kicked Good Charlotte's ass. "Slither" knocked them down like Jesus himself said "Screw you and my word is good".
Your responses entertain me. No disappointment.
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[fallenangel]

I'm way too tired to read all the posts except the first couple. I'm sure Flea did a good job.

Here's my feelings on the issue:

I don't hate Good Charlotte because they aren't "punk". It's a stupid label to begin with. I just don't like their music, plain and simple. THAT is the reason I don't like them. Now, my reasons for them not being a good band are extremely varied, but that's not what you asked (and I've posted them before if you were so inclined as to find them). I like a lot of bands that musically suck, and I will just as happily explain why they do. But I like them. And you like GC. La di fuckin' da. But the issue has always been what makes a good band, not who likes what (do you really care what some random person from Oregon likes? Hope not).

Now, your question about why they're not punk is simple. [b]Punk does not exist in 2004.[/b] It barely existed in 1976. THIS IS PUNK:

Punk was a movement in the 70s to rebel against the over commercialized pop culture music business that was churning out nicely packaged groups with bubblegum hits. All the bands were sweet, easily listened to, melodic garbage that had nothing to do with the current times. A handfull of bands (Sex Pistols, Ramones, etc.) began a movement of rough, grating, short songs that were basically saying "fuck this".

The label "punk" was coined by Caroline Coon, and most musicians from the time don't even like it. And the "punk" style is not punk at all! It's a bunch of sheep fans who missed the point and copied the musicians instead of dressing how [i]they[/i] wanted to dress (the musicians hated that, by the way. Safety pinks, dyed hair, and all that crap).

What "punk" (the music) is, is non-mainstream, non-pop, non-melodic songs that aren't trying to come up with a pretty melody or catchy hook to sell a million copies. Good Charlotte are extremely commercial and very melodic.

"Punk" (the movement) died right after it started. Once it goes commercial, it's not punk. And once it's been heard and copied, it's not punk. But who cares? The problem is not what is or is not punk. Being punk doesn't make something good or bad, it's just what it was. The problem and irritation comes from bands (or fans) running around thinking something is cool JUST because it's "punk". Or thinking this band is better than that band just because one is "punk" and one is "pop".

No one here hates Good Charlotte because they're not "punk" (I don't think). I'm sure Flea has covered why some people don't like them.
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