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VR_Jay Very Oldbie

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:50 am Post subject: |
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[quote]If people could see the future, that means their actions could be predicted. If your actions can be predicted, then that means that fate or destiny controls your every move.
That means you have no free will, which means everything you do isn't you, but something greater controlling you.
THAT is why you can't predict the future T.T [/quote]
But you [i]can [/i]travel to the past and alter the present, so long as you have a Delorian. _________________ [img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/VR_Jay/Anti_Commecial_Banners_by_Nevar530.jpg[/img] [img]http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/VR_Jay/th_myvsweetkiss1xc.gif[/img]
[color=black]"Your toast is burnt and no amount of scraping will remove the black stuff!" ~ Caboose, Red vs. Blue[/color] |
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Kitsune_the_priestess Newb

Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 12
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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if sum i was psychic they wouldnt tell any 1 |
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_matt_ Has No Life

Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 582
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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And why would that be?
If I were psychic, I'd control Pokemon, just like that one Sabrina girl in the games. Yeah, that was tight. |
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Suzaku_Of_the_South Newb

Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I believe.
My grandmother on my Dad's side had psychic abilities and she was very strong. My inherited it from her and so did my Dad, just not nearly as strong. If I have it, it hasn't really manifested itself, or I just lack proper focus. <_< |
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Raymei Oldbie

Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2115 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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I knew a lot of kids in middle school/high school (both when I was in school and now with my siblings' friends) who say they have psychic powers.
seems like an attention thing cuz they can never get anything right.
If anyone else said they thought they were psychic too they'd get all pissed off and defensive and challenge them @.@ crazy little f**ks...
The people who do seem to have an unusually high intuition tend to to not really believe in it. I think if you go around telling people "yeah I'm psychic blah-blah-blah" you would be screwing yourself over.
seems like it'd have to be something you'd need to be real open to actually have.
I think something like a big ego would block any reseptive characteristics.... |
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KeheiZero Elder In Training

Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 3537 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Might as well chuck in my opinion....
I reckon that there's still some things we haven't worked out about the human mind. It's capabilities and limits have yet to be fully discovered and tested. I also feel that there's something about people that can't just be studied and filed away. Descartes' theory of duality, stuff like that.
Back on topic, I'm not sure about psychic powers. I get deja vu every once in a while, but I generally just think "Didn't I already?...nah." I'm pretty sceptical, but I don't think we can be totally be sure of everything in this world, so I wouldn't go as far as to completely denounce their existence.
*sits comfortably waiting for people to tear the post apart* _________________ "You know what? My squirrel instinct tells me he's even more of a bastard than I first thought." - Gene Hunt |
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Raymei Oldbie

Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 2115 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, definitely there are some things we'll just never figure out.
Like what is it exactly that you lose when that weights 21 grams when you die?
I'm not skeptical that the abilities are beyond our reach for all time, I just think it can only go so far as "high intuition" in our current stage of evolution.
What a lot of these kids are describing is somewhat unrealistic. Full out talking through the power of your mind or predicting the future in clear-cut form? Sorry, not buying it.
I think later on along the lines, when we gain more control of our brain power, we may be able to detect different waves and will probably be able to pick up on other's emotions and their direction.
But now? Meh..not so definite. |
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shinto_grrl Still very bored

Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 370 Location: my ass is planted in Texas, along with my man-eating plant "FEED ME SEYMOUR!!!"
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'm magical! Look what I can do! _________________ Ah, so you've decided to read my signature. How DELLIGHTFUL. Now....................................how shall I visually m0l3st your eyes? xD |
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Lexar Forum Stalker

Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt in our direction in evolution we will be able to do that. I think we are moving away from these thigns, and are moving more towards an absolute way of thinking. Animals can sense fear, they can even sense people dying, when they can't see or hear it happening, but we can't. I think we will become less 'psychic' in the future, and more materialistic and scientific. that's certainly the direction we have taken so far. |
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DarkLight Member

Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 88
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="ragingflea002 (Crash)"] [quote]
1. okay I have one last thing to say on this,I do not believe that it is possible to predict the future or move things with your mind, but reading minds is, by scientific law, possible
2. now i must say i havent been completely honest and im sure it is amazing when you realize that I am one of these few people, That's right! this very instant, as you read these words I am reading minds, yours in particular. don't be alarmed, and don't try to resist. It's useless. The entire process is beyond concious control.
3. THERE!! I HAVE IT! YOU'RE THINKING THAT I CAN'T READ MINDS!!![/quote]
1. Science is based on theories and experimentation of said theories. Science believes in the human psyche. You are thinking science has proved that we can read minds. Wait and I'll address this.
2.. No you're not, you're predicting our actions based off logical situations. You've obviously predicted I'm a skeptic of these abilities and now I can predict you're going to reply with a post that says how completely wrong I am, and now I've said that, you'll reply with a neutral post, now that I've said that....... Get it?
3. Again, you're predicting what our reactions would be off of logical sequences displayed in these forums before. You're not making a good argument. In fact, none of your arguments have been exceptionally good. They're not solid enough and you tend to use either religious fact(i.e: fiction until proven otherwise) for scientific debate, or you try to base these accusations in seemingly intelligent responses to convince people like Crystal Wolf you're right, in which you are NOT.
This is a scientific argument, if you haven't realized. You can't take a "psychic's" word for it because they'll defend themselves, of course. You can't take a priest's word for it either, as he'll say "YOU'RE THE DEVIL". You can take science's word for it because they've proven beyond a doubt what you think is wrong.
The brain is a powerful weapon but it isn't a strong enough force to move things or read other's minds. It's scientifically impossible and highly illogical.
Plus, ever look at Crossing Over with John Edward? Notice how he goes to a random section and then chooses a common name at random("I'm picking up a Billy? William?") and then builds a story off of common details("I'm sensing a dog, do you own one?").
He'll eventually get the entire story, but enyone can do that. In fact, I did it once for a project, and it worked.
It's an illusion, however a clever one. [/quote]
dude lighten up it was a magic trick... relax wouldja? |
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cherry-chi-hiwatari Forum Stalker

Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 1143
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Wow ...*rolls eyes*.......round of applause for star.......*silence*....sorry kiddo ...you'll have to try harder next time !
I dont beleive in pshychic powers of any sort ..my great grand mother was supposedly a white wich ........im supposed to be one too...but i aint buying it ...i havent done anything slightly magical since i got that magic book...even then i skrewed the trick up..
i do beleive in ghosts though...but not werewolves or vampires , it all seems a bit farfeched to me ! |
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DarkLight Member

Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 88
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Lexar (Lexar)"] I doubt in our direction in evolution we will be able to do that. I think we are moving away from these thigns, and are moving more towards an absolute way of thinking. Animals can sense fear, they can even sense people dying, when they can't see or hear it happening, but we can't. I think we will become less 'psychic' in the future, and more materialistic and scientific. that's certainly the direction we have taken so far. [/quote]
umm lex... animals have no understanding of the concept of death... trust me... I have 14 dogs... When a puppy dies and you bury it... the mother just looks confused and scared... but not sad... animals do not even realize they are going to die until they get really old... and they only know it's the end right before it happens... I know that because they always go off and hide somewhere then... I know that animals are strongly in tune with emotion, but I definitely disagree with the theory that animals can sense death, because they don't even know what death is!!! |
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Lexar Forum Stalker

Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 1129
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: |
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It's a mistake to expect animals to feel the same way as humans do about death. So your dog doesn't react to death as a human does? Maybe because their instinct is so strong that they accept it more easily than we do, because death is part of the 'wild life'. Animals know full well what death is. Even animals that have less intelligence than dogs play dead to avoid being eaten for example.
Anyway, as much as I dislike bringing personal experiences into discussions, (since it's not something you can prove, nor does it really matter since it's only one example), to counterbalance your argument, my grandfather had 2 dogs, when one died, at the pet hospital, the other one started howling back at the house at the exact time of death of the other one. That was a little scary, but proves just as little as your story. |
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DarkLight Member

Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 88
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:48 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Lexar (Lexar)"] It's a mistake to expect animals to feel the same way as humans do about death. So your dog doesn't react to death as a human does? Maybe because their instinct is so strong that they accept it more easily than we do, because death is part of the 'wild life'. Animals know full well what death is. Even animals that have less intelligence than dogs play dead to avoid being eaten for example.
Anyway, as much as I dislike bringing personal experiences into discussions, (since it's not something you can prove, nor does it really matter since it's only one example), to counterbalance your argument, my grandfather had 2 dogs, when one died, at the pet hospital, the other one started howling back at the house at the exact time of death of the other one. That was a little scary, but proves just as little as your story. [/quote]
no need to be angry... I was merely stating my view...I think animals can sense death but I do not believe they know what it is...death is a very abstract concept... and because animals are not sentient as humans are... they do not have the mental capacity to understand death... has anyone ever beenangry to the point where it takes over? that's the way animals are... guided by instinct and emotion, rather than logic as humans are! |
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Elbreth Still very bored

Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 334
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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It is my personal belief that there is nothing more asanine than the belief in a supreme being, the super-natural or clairvoyance... |
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PhunkYMunkY Site Helper

Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 7772 Location: windmillz 'n' keyfists, yo'
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Elbreth (Elbreth Fjelltrone)"] It is my personal belief that there is nothing more asanine than the belief in a supreme being, the super-natural or clairvoyance... [/quote]
You mean asinine :P
And well.. I guess the only thing that drives people forward to live thier lives in faith of something more. Something to end with after living a full life.. a pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow, for instance (minus the leprachauns Though it would be cool)... Though I can't see it from a non-believer's perspective as of why they'd continue living if there is nothing awaiting them at the end? I can't face the fact that there is nothing at the end. I understand it fully enough (as fully as one possibly can understand it anyway.. need a very philosophical mind to contemplate this..) but I just don't see why people can keep on at thier jobs and such. I can't stand being so uniform in a place which ultimately equates to nothingness? It's mind-f00king...
...Anyway that was a good quote "I can't stand being so uniform in a place which ultimately equates to nothingness?" lol |
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Elbreth Still very bored

Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 334
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="PhunkYMunkY (Gray Roberts)"] You mean asinine [/quote]
Oops, I certainly do.
As for your post: I don't think there is any point in life, other than to live it, I don't believe there is a purpose to life or a purpose in death. That's just me, though. |
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DarkLight Member

Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 88
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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of course the geologic timeline we have now is faulted... 800,000,000 years, I ASK YOU!! every 40 years the strength of the earth's magnetic field is cut in half... it gradually weakens!!! this means that at 10,000 years ago the earth's magnetic field would be equal to that of a magnetic star... this however is highly improbable, if not impossible!!! certainly if you go back much farther it would be impossible!!! why am I getting off topic?! oh well... if however evolution is true... if it works as I understand... then we should evolve as individuals... not all the same...people tend to believe that humans evolved from monkeys... not what evolution says though... according to evolution humans and apes took a different direction in evolution!!! if evolution is true and we take this into account... it is not unlikely that evolutionary paths will split once more... if evolution is true... then that would also mean that as species continue to evolve more species will appear...gaining new traits and losing old ones... maybe Lizards will one day evolve into great fire breathing beasts... dragons... that would be awesome... then again dragons have already existed... dinosaurs... if a beetle can breathe fire why can't a dinosaur? |
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Ravens_bad_side Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:06 am Post subject: |
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^_^ I belive ^_^ Sometimes I see the future in my dreams and it's not always mine but hey I bet this happens to a lot of people wright? |
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DarkLight Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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that is stupid, annie! lol j/k... |
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