Photoshop Or Paintshop?

[slimfast]

I'm saving up money for Photoshop CS...but my friend told me PaintShop is better. Then I looked at the boxes, and they looked like they baseically had the same stuff in it...so is there even a difference? could you tell me, which do you think is better? :huh:

[jhonenfreak]

I use both... Photoshop at school and Paintshop at home. Adobe Illustrator and Paintshop Pro are pretty much the same, but Paintshop comes with a free copy of Jasc Animator so you can make animations. Adobe Photoshop is more of a vector program, whereas the other two allow you to paint digitally and have a whole lot more features.
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[fallenangel]

Photoshop isn't vector, and it comes with ImageReady (animation program).

Photoshop and Paintshop are more or less the same thing. If you go for Photoshop, just get Elements II or one of the older versions. There isn't that much added to the newest ones that you could possibly need, except for a couple hundred dollars in price. Paintshop may be a little different, only in that it's more of a digital art program than Photoshop, which is technically for manipulating photos.

There is a huge difference between Photoshop and Painter, however (Painter mimics real media).
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[slimfast]

So...Paintshop is more for Photo related stuff & photoshop is related for Compter Graphics? And they come with animation programs...thats neat.
I guess I should go with buying one of the older versions of Photoshop, the new ones looked like they had the same stuff, but changed [i]a little bit[/i] ...which I didn't think they needed to put more money on...but okay. <_<
Thanks for the help, BTW.
oh & a question, whats a Vector? [Sorry, I'm new to this stuff.]

[fallenangel]

Photoshop is the one designed for photos, but it works for digital art too. Elements II has most everything you could need, for only about $100.

Vector programs use mathematical equations, so you can make the picture you draw bigger or smaller without losing any quality. Raster programs (Photoshop, PaintShop, Painter, etc.) work on pixels (the little squares digital picture are made of). Vector images typically have a very clean, polished look to them, though it's possible to recreate most styles with enough work. But for what you're talking about, you definitely want a raster program. Look up Adobe Illustrator if you want to learn more about vector. :)

EDIT: I'm not sure if ImageReady Animation comes with anything other than the full versions of photoshop. May want to check on that, but you can download free gif animation programs.
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[slimfast]

Thanks...sorry I don't know much, but I think I understand now!! So if I wanted to make Comics, I would want to use Photoshop Elements?

[fallenangel]

Yep, Photoshop Elements II should have all you need. PaintShop would work, too. Really just a personal preference thing, and it all depends on the person using it.
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[SilentSoul92]

you people confuse me. Anyway, I have photoshop and to tell the truth, it's not really all that great. Or maybe it's just because I can't use it well. Anyway, I saw some pics. colored on PaintShop and I think they look much cooler. Photoshop has more effects though...I think.

[fallenangel]

It entirely depends on the person using it. Linda (Enayla on DA) creates amazing photorealism with photoshop. Kay Allen does amazing things with Paintshop. It all depends on the time the person puts into learning the program. Both are relatively equal in potential.

As for Photoshop having more effects, that's true, only because it's a photo-editing program. In general, you [i]never[/i] want to use them in digital art. The exception being someone who is advanced enough to use the filters in combination with each other and alter them so it's impossible to tell. The filters look neat for about five minutes, but to anyone else they look stupid. "That's not a ball of energy, it's a lens flare that takes two clicks"
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[slimfast]

I agree with Fallen, it all depends on how much effort you put in it. Like doing a Flash animation or even drawing a normal picture. I think if i get one of them, I well probably need one of those "Photoshop for Dummies" books, so I can make sure I'm doing everything correctly!
Thanks for all your opinions!

[Raymei]

Out of the two...I've had better luck with PHotoshop.
Paintshop killed my images when I resized them


Hey Fallen o.o what do you recommend?
Basically all I want out of a image-editing program is image alterations (contrast, size....cropping....) and lots of differents texts to choose from.

I don't color/draw with the computer, just need to edit comic pages and stuff.
From what you were describing I should be looking into a vector program o.o

Suggestions?

[Dumas]

photoshop seems to be the winner but it's very costly. However there 2 software althought they don't have all the features of photoshop they can be useful. Pixia and Gimp, here the adresses http://park18.wakwak.com/~pixia/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP http://www.gimp.org/ (there even a mailing list who Gimp users can ask and exchange tips and questions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gimpwin-users/ )

[fallenangel]

A program like Illustrator will cost you major bucks for what you want. However, it really depends on exactly what you're doing. There are definite benefits to doing the layout in vecor. For example, each panel is its own shape (click on it and it will be automatically selected), so you can drag them around, resize, and overlap them without having to deal with layers (although there is a layer feature). Anything you create in a vector program as far as drawing, making lines, and such, will be able to be infinitely resized. And you can import outside drawings and place them in your layout (but they obviously won't be able to be resized without losing quality, since they're not vector, but if you scan that shouldn't be a problem. Just scan big. ). Another plus is you can highlight all your panels, choose "lock", and they'll no longer be selected if you click on them, so if you're moving around a lot of text or images, you won't constantly be accidentally selecting things you don't want to move.

But if all you want to do is scan and alter comics, with the panels already in place as you want them (inked, pencil, whatever), then a much cheaper program would work just as well. Photoshop is a lot easier to work with when adjusting scans, as far as contrast, levels, etc. since it's designed to be used with photos. Illustrator isn't that hot for altering images.

As for text, since they're both Adobe programs, they've got more or less the same selection. It's quite big.

If you don't need the handy ability to make vector panels to put the images in, a cheaper version of photoshop would probably be better. Elements II or a couple versions older than the newest (I've got Photoshop 7.0).

There should be free trials of all the programs (Illustrator, Photoshop, PaintShop, whatever) on Download.com. See if it has the features you're looking for.
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[RubyconCream]

(To pressed for time to read every individual post. Sorry for repeats)

Photoshop is a more professional program that is used by more people then Paint shop. However just becuase it's more professional doesn't mean it's easier to use. Paint shop is MUCH MUCH easier to mand ,but you're pictures will lack the same professional quality that Photoshop can offer.

in other words:

Paintshop is easy ,but lacks quality.
Photoshop is difficult ,but "worth it".

(As you can see I rather not like Photoshop.)
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[Funky_EsterMan]

Yeah, I was downloading Adobe Photoshop 7, I do believe, but some idiot decided to make a phone call, cutting me off. Can anyone that has used this particular Adobe tell me if it's good or not, and give me a link to a picture done by it? I wanna know if it's worth downloading.

[Raymei]

can't give you a picture done by it since I don't use it for that specific purpose, but I can tell you it's well worth it.
try downloading the trial version from the website.

[fallenangel]

First of all, no discussions of software pirating on the forums (not directed to Raymei, since trials are fine).

Any program can be "worth it" if you put in the effort. There is no program that would let you sit down for the first time and make a masterpiece. You have to work at it no matter what.
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[mashu]

[quote="Raymei (Raymei A. L. Klisea)"] Out of the two...I've had better luck with PHotoshop.
Paintshop killed my images when I resized them


Hey Fallen o.o what do you recommend?
Basically all I want out of a image-editing program is image alterations (contrast, size....cropping....) and lots of differents texts to choose from.

I don't color/draw with the computer, just need to edit comic pages and stuff.
From what you were describing I should be looking into a vector program o.o

Suggestions? [/quote]
if that's all you need to do, give the gimp a try http://www.gimp.org/. Its originally for linux, but has a windows version too, and should do what you need... for free! (legally too)

[Raymei]

just dled it.
I'll try it out ^^ (once...I get a new scanner @.@; and can actually USE the program)

thanks for the tip, Matt!!

[SilentSoul92]

heh, I just got a trial of paintshop pro. It's a lot of fun to mess around with.