Beatles influence

[Beatlechick90]

[quote]I HATE the Beatles[/quote]

Please, elaborate. I'm very intrigued. Why do you hate them?
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fallen
[quote]No, that's Duff McKagan (in my avatar as well) and Scott Weila...[/quote]
Damn, was I [i]off[/i] or what? Slashrules!

beatlechick
[quote]elaborate[/quote]

Well, I can start by how they were the whole conspiracy behind the Manson Family murders, but I just [i]can't[/i] go there....
Plus, the Lennon/Yoko thing bugs me....internally....
The Monkeys to the Beatles are like the band Bush to Nirvana...
that will go something like this... Monkeys:Beatles=Bush:Nirvana, or something like that....
I go 'psycho'delic just looking at Pauls hair....
WHY THE HELL DID LENNON HAVE TO DIE!?!
I go 'psycho'delic just looking at Ringos face...
Why do the Brits have to improve on our imperfections? hmm? Jim Morrison wasn't [i]always[/i] drunk when recording....
And who does McCartney think he is? everybody else has taken that yellow submarine deep beneath the Earth. What are you waiting for, huh? The Revolution?!

yeah, never said I had a [i]good[/i] reason for HATING them. Damn Canadiens. DAMN CANADIENS! and Brits

ALL women are beautiful, but there's only one good looking guy in this world, and you call him Scott Weiland. Scott Weiland stole my girlfriend!

Ithink I've made my point <_<
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[Beatlechick90]

[quote]Well, I can start by how they were the whole conspiracy behind the Manson Family murders, but I just can't go there....[/quote]
Oh please. Manson was a nutcase and anything would have set him off. If it wasn't the White Album, it would have been another album by another band.

[quote]Plus, the Lennon/Yoko thing bugs me....internally....[/quote]
No duh... Yoko the Ocean Child From Hell bugs everyone.

[quote]The Monkeys to the Beatles are like the band Bush to Nirvana...
that will go something like this... Monkeys:Beatles=Bush:Nirvana, or something like that....[/quote]
I don't listen to the band Bush... what kind of music do they play? Are you comparing the Monkees to the Beatles? If so, you need to have your head examined because they are NOTHING alike. The Beatles=geniuses The Monkees=corporate tools.

[quote]I go 'psycho'delic just looking at Pauls hair....[/quote]
Do you mean his Beatles era hair, his Wings era hair, or his hair today? Cause his Wings hair was by far the worst. His hair today looks like it's been dyed with shoe polish but at least he doesn't have a mullet.

[quote]WHY THE HELL DID LENNON HAVE TO DIE!?![/quote]
Because of the lenient gun contol in the States. Any psycho can get his hands on a gun.

[quote]I go 'psycho'delic just looking at Ringos face...[/quote]
Are you referring to his huge nose? Some of us like it...

[quote]Why do the Brits have to improve on our imperfections? hmm? Jim Morrison wasn't always drunk when recording....[/quote]
Yeah, because you should never takae something good and make it awesome. What kind of sick, twisted individual does that?

[quote]And who does McCartney think he is? everybody else has taken that yellow submarine deep beneath the Earth. What are you waiting for, huh? The Revolution?![/quote]
Stupid reason. Hating a guy for being alive. Nice try, Satan. ;)

[quote]yeah, never said I had a good reason for HATING them. Damn Canadiens. DAMN CANADIENS! and Brits[/quote]
If you're going to insult Canadians, at least try to spell it right.


WOOOHOOO that was fun. I like being a Beatles bitch!
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Well, I can start by how they were the whole conspiracy behind the Manson Family murders, but I just can't go there....


Oh please. Manson was a nutcase and anything would have set him off. If it wasn't the White Album, it would have been another album by another band.


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I didn't think was even going to be mentioned here. This is pretty impressive. You two have done your homework. But I have to agree with Mairi on this issue. I've done research on the Manson Family murders and from what I've learned, the man was a pshyco and would've found another reason to start his racial war on the world.

I won't get into this one because I'm no expert on the Beatles. I don't even listen to them that much except in my school's art class rooms (The Beatles and Pink Floyd are a big hit in the artsy fartsy section of my school.) But you both have your opinions and thats cool. I like reading these debates. ^_^

[quote]ALL women are beautiful, but there's only one good looking guy in this world, and you call him Scott Weiland. Scott Weiland stole my girlfriend!
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I would love to agree with you on that women comment but I don't (both inner beauty and outer beauty.) Its very sweet though. ^_^ But what do you mean about Scott Weiland is the only good looking man? And when did he steal your girlfriend? :huh:

[quote]BTW, is that Flea and Anthony hugging in your avatar? There's a picture of all four hugging on their BSSM CD booklet.[/quote]

Fallen's right. My avatar is Scott Weiland and Duff McKagan hugging. ^_^ I'm thinking of changing it though. I found a great Trent Reznor pic to use. The only problem that might arise is the fact that its a little similar to fallen's Trent avatar only there's not as much (he's only chained up.) I'm going to change it today if I feel like it. ^_^

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[quote]Manson was a nutcase[/quote]
Manson is [i]still[/i] a nutcase

[quote]Yoko the Ocean Child From Hell bugs everyone[/quote]
internally aswell?

[quote]the band Bush... what kind of music do they play? Are you comparing the Monkees to the Beatles? If so, you need to have your head examined[/quote]
They play Nirvana music
I've [i]had[/i] my head examined, FYI :wacko:

[quote]his Beatles era hair, his Wings era hair, or his hair today?[/quote]
his hair

[quote]Are you referring to his huge nose? Some of us like it...[/quote]
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[quote]What kind of sick, twisted individual does that?[/quote]
Paul Mccartney and his beatle buddies

[quote]Nice try, Satan[/quote]
umm, did you just call me Satan? :huh:

[quote]insult Canadians, at least try to spell it right[/quote]
i think that's how [i]Canadians[/i] spell Canadians (canadiEns)?

[quote]WOOOHOOO that was fun[/quote]
I'm here every week
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[Beatlechick90]

[quote]Manson is still a nutcase[/quote]
Well, you were right on that account.

[quote]internally aswell?[/quote]
As is my observation.

[quote]They play Nirvana music
I've had my head examined, FYI[/quote]
I still don't get this... what are you trying to say?

[quote]Paul Mccartney and his beatle buddies[/quote]
Yup... and they did it well, too.

[quote]umm, did you just call me Satan?[/quote]
It was a joke... learn to recognize humour. :)

[quote]i think that's how Canadians spell Canadians (canadiEns)?[/quote]
I think I know to spell the name of my own country. :rolleyes:

[quote]I'm here every week[/quote]
We'll have such fun! :)



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[quote]learn to recognize humour[/quote]
yeah, I was joking too.

[quote]my own country[/quote]
Well where the hell did I get the "E" from? :wacko:

[quote]what are you trying to say[/quote]
Bush came out right after Nirvana hit mainstream. Nirvana was a new breed of music, which just about every alternative rock band today base their grunge sound and 'my mind is gone' lyrics on, ie. I'm so happy cause today I found my friends in my head -Cobain.
The band called Staind (also a Nirvana wannabie) borderlines plagiary with their lyrics and how they try to use the 'helpless mentally insane kid' image that is just an [i]OVER[/i]-exaggeration of Nirvana's melo kind.

-To sum up, Bush plays music that sounds too much like Nirvana, more so than the average band that sounds similar to any other average band in their same music genre-

I still like Bush, I still listen to their music today, I just think they found an image and stuck with it too long after the predecessor of that image passed away, and now they have noone else to follow, noone to lead them. I just hope they don't get stefani to write any of their lyrics and start sounding like "No Doubt".

well, I think we've played [i]that[/i] out.

Now, The Beatles are arguably the best band ever, 'arguably' because you will never get everyone to agree with you, since "the best band ever" is an opinionated conversation to begin with, even though you may have "all the facts", such as record sales, because if you scratch The Beatles out of history, and bring them in now, where the music's completely different (with the exception of The Strokes and Weezer) they would never be played on the radio, to say the least. Thus, they wouldn't sale many records.
It's kinda like saying "the 70's were a better time to live in than the 90's".
Besides, there weren't many genres back then, so alot of music were just cluttered all together and almost everyone (all the hippies for sure) listened to the same thing. Now it's different, imagine the impact that rapper 50 cent would have if all listeners liked punk, rock, metal, death metal, country, r&b, pop and rap and liked it all. They'd go out and buy the albums and make 50 cent into 50 billion.

I stand firm with Red Hot Chili Peppers being the BEST ever, because their lyrics are poetry, not just figuratively, but literally aswell, "Under The Bridge" is a poem.
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[Beatlechick90]

[quote] if you scratch The Beatles out of history, and bring them in now, where the music's completely different (with the exception of The Strokes and Weezer) they would never be played on the radio, to say the least. Thus, they wouldn't sale many records.[/quote]

I disagree with that statement. A great melody, good lyrics... who can argue with that? Even though I don't like the band Jet, they have been very successful, by copying the Beatles' sound. Like I said, The Beatles played sooo many different styles of music. There's a song for every genre, even rap. (see: Sgt. Pepper's.)

Pop
Motown
Rock
Rap
Heavy Metal
Rag-time
Psychedelia
Country
Emo
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Ok, then. How's this? Scratch The Beatles for good, then, Jet wouldn't have the refference and noone would get the point. Noone would understand where they were coming from and they wouldn't have a Beatles band to immitate.
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[Beatlechick90]

I think you just proved my point that the Beatles are the best band ever.

They pretty much redefined music as we know it. Without the Beatles influence, so many bands wouldn't exist. A lot of bands today are probably being influenced by them without knowing it.
As mentioned before, they gave us feedback, which inspired Hendrix who in turn inspired Cobain, who in turn inspired some other bands. If it weren't for the Beatles, we would probably all still be listening to Bill Haley and the Comets- type music.
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Haha, you have really got to tell me which bands are influenced by The Beatles.

This could get pretty intense, and last a while, I can see it definately going off topic, being that we both don't give up easily. So, wanna make a new thread to discuss Beatle influence? or just musical influence in general... you can name it something like "beatlechick vs. unfocused" lol. It can be about why you think the Beatles are the best, and why [i]I[/i] don't.

But I'm serious, I want a branched list stemming from The Beatles to immediate bands influenced by them, all the way to some bands today. Like a chain effect, or domino effect, or butterfly effect, or whatever.

This may actually start to get interesting...
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[fallenangel]

There, split the other topic.

As for a diagram of their influence, I wouldn't argue them as the "best band ever", but they are extremely influential on today's music. Here's one.

Beatles>Ozzy Osbourne>Sabbath>Slayer/Metallica/take your pick of subsequent metal bands. Once it hits Sabbath, combined with Zeppelin, there's metal for ya.
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umm, heh, [i]thanks[/i] for the split, fallen

You do make a point with the influenced bands, and yeah, Ozzie and Metallica are still around, hopefully will be for a while. But I meant bands a little younger, not Sum41 younger, but atleast GreenDay younger.

one question, tho. How did Beatles turn into Metallica? not making a joke, but it's funny. The Beatles sang about freinds and love. Metallica sings about anger and imfamy.
And why the hell do I love the 'One' remake so much!?!
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[fallenangel]

Ozzy was totally influenced by the Beatles. He wanted to [i]be[/i] the Beatles, so he joined Sabbath. Coming from Birmingham, Sabbath sounded nothing like the Beatles, but it was still what Ozzy and co. wanted to be. Even still he'll say his favorite group is the Beatles and that's who he wanted to become. Sabbath influenced pretty much every metal band after, from Metallica to Slayer. And after that, it branches off into thousands of bands. Can you really not think of modern rock bands who weren't influenced by Metallica or Slayer or Judas Priest or Pantera?

Beatles>Ozzy Osbourne>Sabbath>Metallica/Slayer/Buzzcocks, etc.>Megadeth/Skinny Puppy/Godsmack/Nine Inch Nails/Green Day>Linkin Park/Justin Timberlake/Good Charlotte/Sum 41

And they loop back on each other. Newer influencing older, skipping levels, but it all goes back to the Beatles. And there's a whole other direction where the Beatles led to the prepackaged radio garbage of the mid to late 70s, resulting in the Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks (above), Generation X, Siouxsie and the Banshees, etc.
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[Beatlechick90]

Beatles>Ozzy Osbourne>Sabbath>Slayer/Metallica/subsequent metal bands>Green Day

Or even Beatles>Ramones>Green Day

[quote]one question, tho. How did Beatles turn into Metallica? not making a joke, but it's funny. The Beatles sang about freinds and love. Metallica sings about anger and imfamy.[/quote]

Not necessarily... Run For Your Life, You Can't Do That, Eleanor Rigby, For No One, Piggies, Yer Blues, Revolution, Helter Skelter, and more are all about angry and/or depressing topics.

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[quote]Beatles>Ozzy Osbourne>Sabbath>Metallica/Slayer/Buzzcocks, etc.>Megadeth/Skinny Puppy/Godsmack/Nine Inch Nails/Green Day>Linkin Park/Justin Timberlake/Good Charlotte/Sum 41[/quote]
That's a very thin line between The Beatles influence and natural evolution. But maybe that's what natural evolution [i]is[/i].

[quote]Run For Your Life, You Can't Do That, Eleanor Rigby, For No One, Piggies, Yer Blues, Revolution, Helter Skelter, and more are all about angry and/or depressing topics[/quote]
Well, you got me there. Ha, let me see a Metallica version of All you Need is Love

BTW, does anyone else get the vibe that the singer from Linkin Park is turning into a Backstreet boy? That's no insult. in 'The End', he sounds like it. And actually, I think he sounds pretty good that way. But of course, he shouldn't.
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[fallenangel]

[quote]That's a very thin line between The Beatles influence and natural evolution.[/quote]

Uh, no it's not. Ozzy was directly influenced by the Beatles to play music. No Beatles, no Sabbath. Sabbath directly influenced Met/Slayer/etc. to play fast and heavy. They directly influenced NIN/Green Day/etc, in a lot of cases inspiring them to start playing in the first place. The Beatles may not have directly influenced Good Charlotte or Sum 41, but with no Beatles, there's no Sabbath, no Metallica as we know them, no Linkin Park or Sum 41 as they are. It's a chain. Sure, there's evolution, but the point is that without the Beatles, it wouldn't be as it is. They influenced how each group sounds by having an impact on the group before them.
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In my own opinion, I believe Nirvana is a bigger influence for bands today. Maybe because they're more new. It just seems every rock-like band out there now depends too much on guitar distortion (not that it wasn't used way back in the Beatles days, ie Zeppelen), but I think it's used too much. I still like it, but I also like it clean.

What do you all think about Pearl Jam? I absolutely LOVE the lead guitarist (sorry, I'm not too privy to this band) but I can't stand the front man, terrible lyricist, I think. I always get the impression that he waits for the rest of the band to finish the instrumental of a song, then comes in to fill it with whatever fits. And sometimes he can't even make a coherent sentence.

I guess I'm losing this discussion, but atleast it's good to know that not everone here are children, you actually know what you're talking about and have strong feelings about it.
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[fallenangel]

Nirvana is a huge influence (too much so), but if you look at Kurt's influences it's right back to the Beatles. So while a lot of modern bands aren't directly influenced by the Beatles or even like them, they're still a key part of how music is today.
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I guess before The Beatles, there was noone. Didn't Elvis, Jimmy Hendrix or The Doors (to name a very few) hold any part in musical influence? It sounds to me that people like them don't have anything to do with musical history. I know alot of blues singers hold a strong amount of influence to people like Eric Clapton. And I'm sure The Beatles influence him too. Not everyone is made from the same mush as The Beatles. There [i]was[/i] a time before them.

Was RHCP considered punk back in the mid 80's? I mean, they wore socks on their d!cks.

And fallen, you seem to know a lot about music, I want to know something...
I heard that Elvis once said something like 'I'd have sex with a black woman before I have sex with a mexican woman'. That bugs me, I'm mexican american, and I like Jim Morrison, who likes Elvis and was influenced by him so much he actually tried to immitate his voice sometimes. Do you know anything about that?

Plus, I refuse to believe every band is a Beatles immitation. Because to believe that, you have to believe that they ARE the best band ever.
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