Kurt Cobain

ThaKakarot · Oldbie Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 2246

well I am a very big Nirvana fan and have been for a very long time..
I have my opinion on Kurts death and i'm wondering wat the views are of the people of FAC..

as almost every long time nirvana fan will probably know by the countless site's dedicated to it that kurt had almost three times the lethal dose of heroin inserted in his veins which would either mean instant death or instant blackout making it impossible for kurt to "shoot himself"
als the needle was lying on the floor next to him which is also only possible if it had fallen out cause like i said the instant death/blackout would mean that the needle would still be hangin out of his arm...

Kurt friends had also testified ad said that kurt was deffinetly not suicidle and was actually pretty happy with himself giving him little to o reason to do the act
the so called suicide note was confirmed to be only partly written by kurt...if you take away the part in the other hand writing it was clearly meant as a resignision letter from the music buisness
and further more courtney was in posession of a second note after Kurt's body was found but she did not tell anyone about this until several months later when talk about it slipped out during an interview with RS Magazine.
the second note clearly states he was leaving Courtney and he was leaving Seattle.

courtney also once tried paying someone (i can't remember his name) a significant amount of money to kill kurt. But the person declined and when later he was subjected to a polygraph test which noted that the statements of this person where true...

i will leave it by this for i do not wish to cover everything ^_^
and i did this all by memory of stuff i have read and learned over the years so i may have missed a couple of things WTF?

loveliesbleeding · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:44 pm Post subject:

I am also a big fan of nirvana, but as far as Kurt and the whole suicide thing goes, I think it would be better if people would let it be, I get really sick of people trying to crack some mystery that was never there in the first place, let the dead lie we owe them at least that much...

but thats just my opinion,

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ThaKakarot · Oldbie Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 2246

i respect that opinion as i respect everyone's Laughing

but the "cops" where just so quick to call it suicide and close the case it just does unjustice..... well to my opinion Razz

PhunkYMunkY · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject:

I think that's mainly 'cause there was a suicide note :wacko: Wouldn't you think it was a suicide if the dude wrote "I hate myself and want to die" before he died?

Pyrodragon125 · Forum Stalker Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 1257

The point that's TRYING to get across is that Courtney is a crazy bitch and killed poor Kurt. Or had him killed. Who knows. I definitely don't. But, if I was married to HER, I just might consider getting the hell out!!

ThaKakarot · Oldbie Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 2246

[quote="PhunkYMunkY (Gray Roberts)"] I think that's mainly 'cause there was a suicide note :wacko: Wouldn't you think it was a suicide if the dude wrote "I hate myself and want to die" before he died? [/quote]
well the suicide note turned out not to be a suicide note seeing only hals of the note was written by kurt and like i said that was just stating he was leaving the music biz

and he actually wrote the [quote]I hate myself and i want to die[/quote] a kanny while before the whole event

but i get you point ^_^

yokokurama3000 · Member Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 50

My sister is in the Nirvana Forum. Her opinion is the "suicide" not is a note that he was leaving music behind in order to focus on his daughter. Also there was another "suicide" note about he wanted a divorce with the B**ch. Also she thinks it is murder. She think Michael DeWitt did It. This is my sisters opinion and mine (NOT A FACT!!!!!!!)

ThaKakarot · Oldbie Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 2246

[quote="yokokurama3000 (Natalia Isabel B"] My sister is in the Nirvana Forum. Her opinion is the "suicide" not is a note that he was leaving music behind in order to focus on his daughter. Also there was another "suicide" note about he wanted a divorce with the B**ch. Also she thinks it is murder. She think Michael DeWitt did It. This is my sisters opinion and mine (NOT A FACT!!!!!!!) [/quote]
my thoughts exactlly Laughing

they jumped to the suicide conclusion far to quick and they just got in to the hype of it being suicide cause of Kurts depressions...

anyway i'll put a link up to the tom grant website... he was a investigator in the kurt case and he also believed it to be murder

interested??? check it out The Cobain Case

yokokurama3000 · Member Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 50

My sister saw it two mons. ago. Also a petion going around about that they're going to reopen the case. We don't remeber the website. Hopefully you'll find it and if you're a big fan of Nirvana you should join the Nirvana Fourm at: www.nirvana-music.com
Look for my sister user name: Sarcasmforyouth. Smile

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:

Great, hyping his career with suicide wasn't enough. Now it will be "OMG he would have been the new Jesus if he wasn't murdered by that meanie!".

The dude's career will be remembered far greater than it would have been had he lived. Death, self-inflicted or otherwise, made him a legend.

It's the Sid and Nancy case all over again. No one knows what happened, but either way everyone's fuckin' dead and it really doesn't matter.
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yokokurama3000 · Member Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 50

Listen, this topic says what happened to Kurt Cobain. I t doesen say hoe you feel about Kurt Cobain. I f you want to talk about Nirvana go to another topic about how Nirvana is overrated. Beside there are some people that do care about what happen to Kurt Cobain. Thank You Grr!

ZeroHourLP · Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: -172359

Hahaha

*hugs Natalia*
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ThaKakarot · Oldbie Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 2246

[quote]Great, hyping his career with suicide wasn't enough. Now it will be "OMG he would have been the new Jesus if he wasn't murdered by that meanie!".[/quote]

I don't think that would of been the case anyway as great as a band nirvana were kurt was leaving anyway so nirvana would of stuck right where it was back then

his death may have helped his "career" so to speak but that's besides the point Razz

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:

[quote]Listen, this topic says what happened to Kurt Cobain. I t doesen say hoe you feel about Kurt Cobain. I f you want to talk about Nirvana go to another topic about how Nirvana is overrated. Beside there are some people that do care about what happen to Kurt Cobain. Thank You [/quote]

Snookums, the topis is about Kurt's death. Now, if you have a learning disability or are a really bad reader, I'll understand, but let me help you.

[quote]reat, hyping his career with suicide wasn't enough. Now it will be "OMG he would have been the new Jesus if he wasn't murdered by that meanie!".
[/quote]

This was about how his suicide is used as just another reason he's "so cool". He was "so real" that he followed through with his angst and offed himself. Now, if it's proven that he was murdered, it will be twice as bad. It will now be "he could have been the best ever if he wasn't killed". All speculation, and poorly verified at that. My opinion, all about his death, suck it.

[quote]The dude's career will be remembered far greater than it would have been had he lived. Death, self-inflicted or otherwise, made him a legend.[/quote]

Look! Still about his death! Which, if you go back and look, is the topic. You don't get to decide what the topic is, sorry. Sad

[quote]It's the Sid and Nancy case all over again. No one knows what happened, but either way everyone's fuckin' dead and it really doesn't matter.[/quote]

A comparison between murder cases. Did Sid kill Nancy? Did Courtney kill Kurt? Will we ever know?! It's all music myths n' stories passed around with various bits of evidence and theories. Hey, guess what, [b]it's still on topic[/b].

Now shut up with your fandom-insulting crap. [b]I like Nirvana[/b]. I like Kurt. The most popular picture in my gallery is of him. I NEVER said he wasn't good, merely that his suicide or murder is a huge factor in his legacy. Take the attitude down a notch. It's you who make people like me feel that most Nirvana fans are twats.
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yokokurama3000 · Member Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 50

Listen I'm sorry if I offened you but, you put it in a way that sounds like you hated Nirvana. I 'm sorry. Smile

yokokurama3000 · Member Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 50

ZeroHourLP(Leo) Thanks I feel flattered. Thanks. Appritate it ***Hugs back***

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject:

Ok.

Looking back, it probably does sound that way if you haven't read any other posts I've made. There was one a week or two ago about how I like Nirvana and all, but there's an abundance of obsessive fans that take it too far and/or like him for all the wrong reasons (ie liking him because it's cool to like him or because "he was a real tortured artist and killed himself"). Murder would just make it worse. :wacko:

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yokokurama3000 · Member Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 50

Youre right but this will finally end and Kurt will R.I.P. So,what it will bad but people will finally get their answers. Smile

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:

In a lot of ways, I think some fans like it better not knowing. If it was proven that Courtney or anyone else had him killed, there'd be the portion of people who gloat and walk around like they solved the case even though they merely read about someone else's evidence and spread it around, but then it would be over. I think a lot of people [i]like[/i] the mystery. It gives them something to do.

I wouldn't want to know whether Sid killed Nancy. Drug deal gone bad, murder, the mystery is what makes it interesting. If I knew for sure, it'd just be another junkie killed by a dealer or another case of a musician doing something stupid while smashed out of his mind. Either way they're both dead, and clearing Sid's name isn't going to make him rise from the grave (or improve his reputation any Razz

). I personally don't think he did it, but there's always that "what if".

Just like I really don't care how Kurt died. Fact is, he's dead, his career is forever immortalized because of it, and proving someone killed him just ends what is a minorly interesting music "legend" (not quite a legend only a decade later, but it's on its way to becoming that if they don't reopen the case). What's more practical is how his death effects how he's seen in the big picture of the music industry, but whatever angle people choose to focus on, all the power to 'em. I just favor the big picture over rehashing theories that still won't really change anything.
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L7 · Very bored Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 210

I think he killed himself...and the other part of my brain says he didn't...but he did try to kill himself in '88 or something according to his journals...but hey I haven't read that thing for a while now so my mind is mixed up... :wacko: