Teh Philosophocikal Thread

[PhunkYMunkY]

Not spam..

This is the place to post your philosophical thoughts..

I shalt starteth thine thoughts of depth.

[quote]If you pull out one of your eye's still attached to the vein and make it look backwards and look forwards with your other eye, what do you see[/quote]

The Matrix films bring up alot of philosophical thoughts.. but still.. I'm sure you know others..

Such as "If a tree falls in the woods and no-one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Etc.. Such profound questions as these are sometimes a source of deep inspiration for some artists.. Maybe some will help you, too?

Try it.. See what gets put here ^_^

[ragingflea002]

How does something come from nothing and how can that something create an entire universe? On another note, the exclusion of a so called "God" would not allow use to exist in the reason being of the mathematical quaderies that lie in the universes every aspect. If you can mathematically break down everything, then who created the math that keeps it all together? Nature? No..nature is built up of the exact same math. A higher mind that created the math? Why yes, but then who created that, and what math holds that being together? Is God in escence, infinity? Can a being be an infinate prescence? Is this life we live in nothing but a simulation built up of complex mathematics? A computer system? If so, who created the people who created the computer system? Could it be, in reality, one system built on top of another? But if this is true, we technically don't exist, in which this post is meaningless, and your world is nothing.
The Matrix, as entertaining as it may be, is flawed in many philosophical directions, yet does hold the everlasting question of "Who made us?", and I don't mean through sexual intercourse.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

The Matrix brought up an extremely complex question in my mind about the future of this world. With war, drugs, death, rape, how long will it take for somebody to create a computerized, perfect world? With virtual reality soon to be tangible, will there be a person rich enough to lock themselves in their own little world, locked away from this one? Will human beings die out because our only interactions will be those born of virual beings programed to fit our personality perfectly?

And an even darker question is would a government use it to there advantage. Really, how many corrupt oligarcies would jump at the chance of controling their citizens with computerized chips, making them into robots?

What will the future of this world [i]be[/i], anyway? Will we be the first beings to ever kill ourselves off?

[ragingflea002]

A simulated world through computer virtual reality is going to cause more harm than a nuclear fallout. The chaos would eventually cause numerous failures in the systems rules of "right" and "wrong". The computer cannot think, it can only process instances in which the rules it has been programmed to enforce are broken. If you want the truth, in order for that to happen, you'd have to make a computer think, and you can't do that. Allowing a computer to think is not only impossible, but quite foolish.
The other truth is that this world will end in approximately 826 years. You won't be around, so live free.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[ragingflea002]

I would have thought someone would have replied to that... I've only been waiting for 11 days...
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[PhunkYMunkY]

[quote="ragingflea002 (Flea)"] The other truth is that this world will end in approximately 826 years. You won't be around, so live free. [/quote]
I thought I shouldn't ask why we're all gonna die in 826 years 'cause I like suprises :x

[jb_dominick]

"Who created God?"

These are the types of questions you need to stay away from. Who created God? Who the f**k knows, just stay away from that statement. Why? Because it's like trying to comprehend an uncomprehendable sentance. In two days they'll find a spoon in your brain, blood out your nose and you'll be dead in your bathroom. Trying to figure out the beggining of time is pointless, why try to figure out something that is infinite? Something that's endless? Something that's everlasting? You're alive today, be greatful to whatever or whoever gave you that.

Go hug your mom.

Now.

Obey.

[PhunkYMunkY]

[quote="jb_dominick (J.B. Dominick)"] "Who created God?"

These are the types of questions you need to stay away from. Who created God? Who the f**k knows, just stay away from that statement. Why? Because it's like trying to comprehend an uncomprehendable sentance. In two days they'll find a spoon in your brain, blood out your nose and you'll be dead in your bathroom. Trying to figure out the beggining of time is pointless, why try to figure out something that is infinite? Something that's endless? Something that's everlasting? You're alive today, be greatful to whatever or whoever gave you that.

Go hug your mom.

Now.

Obey. [/quote]
That's the most ignorant thing I think I've ever heard.

Have you ever wanted to know about your family's history? your ancestors? ..what about the countries history? Do you find it interesting, if you don't you can at least respect it. It's the question that drives, us, Neo..

[ragingflea002]

Dominick, what is an uncomprehendable sentance? Someone can interpret a sentance anyway they wish, so a sentance such as "ibfienfreigbribrioneof" can be intrepreted as "I have no fuckin' clue as to what I just wrote".
No such thing as an uncomprehendable sentance, it just may not be understood as what you wanted it to be.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[Maemi]

Walgreen's "perfect worlds" advertisements fascinate me. Is that really how a perfect world is? What is a perfect world? Is a perfect world a world where every person's wish comes true? What if someone wishes for ultimate destruction, and another wishes for ultimate peace? It would be a clash of wishes. What would happen then?

Is a perfect world a world where everything and everyone is equal? If that were the case, then everyone would be void of emotion. People would have no use for them anymore. One would not feel hope, despair or happiness. How can you, when everything is equal? Everything is fixed and never-changing. How can this be a perfect world?

A perfect world; therefore, would be a still world. It would be a world where time and movement fail to exist. If someone would wish for such a world, we shall cease to exist, for a perfect world is non-existent.




I don't know if that just made any sense :huh: , but that is what I think of a perfect world. I am open to other ideas though.

[PhunkYMunkY]

[quote="Maemi (Maemi-chan)"] Walgreen's "perfect worlds" advertisements fascinate me. Is that really how a perfect world is? What is a perfect world? Is a perfect world a world where every person's wish comes true? What if someone wishes for ultimate destruction, and another wishes for ultimate peace? It would be a clash of wishes. What would happen then?

Is a perfect world a world where everything and everyone is equal? If that were the case, then everyone would be void of emotion. People would have no use for them anymore. One would not feel hope, despair or happiness. How can you, when everything is equal? Everything is fixed and never-changing. How can this be a perfect world?

A perfect world; therefore, would be a still world. It would be a world where time and movement fail to exist. If someone would wish for such a world, we shall cease to exist, for a perfect world is non-existent.




I don't know if that just made any sense :huh: , but that is what I think of a perfect world. I am open to other ideas though. [/quote]
I believe our own perfect worlds could only ever possibly exist (or, in this case, not exist) within our own minds.

If we die and go to a perfect world, our deepest, most wanted desires would be fulfilled. Wether it be ultimate destruction or ultimate peace, the tail end of your wish would always be that people agree with you and understand and support you.

These places could only exist in our own minds where another consciousness could not clash it.

...another interesting theory

[jb_dominick]

Days come and days pass, I grow weary of how I will adhere to obstacles and tasks in my path to perfection. I overcome hurdles with my charm and good-nature; I reap the obstacles whom attempt to put me down, veiled in their own misconceptions and delusions. The world is wicked, and seeking to impede my progress, for what reason is absent to me. We need to not run over these hurdles, but charge right through them.

And so today ends, the curtain of darkness falls upon the stage of day. We will crawl in our beds, unknowing of what tomorrow brings us, unknowing of what tasks we will have to overcome. We will slip away into our absent minds, believing that what we saw in our absent minds were vibrant images and pornographic montages. We will awake the next day and either continue on your boring life ritual of eating, sleeping and working... or pay the consequences for what choices you decided to take as you broke away from the stone stature of what you were supposed to do in your preceding actions. What will that day hold for you? Will you keep on keeping on, or will Ms. Betty Lou find out you've been having sexual innuendoes and fantasies of her and her sister. Will you continue to live your life or decide to opinionate yourself in a confinement where your superiors aren't allowed to benefit you with their personalized ideas, but rather text book drone-work. Do not think of this concept for long, instead think of it never. You will never have to worry about the future, you should worry about present times. What will you eat, who will you talk to, how should you dress? What good is it to do you or the loved ones around yourself if all you think about is the foolish pre-Presidents on television, or the horrors of a war you are not apart of? Your peers are sick of you, you are sick of you, you should change, and change is a part of human nature.

My day has come, my day has went, have I learned anything? No. Opinions are the only form of human intelligence in the world; do I care Mrs. Science Teacher, what the atomic mass of Sulfur is? 16? Well any text-book can tell you that, it's not intelligence Mrs. Science Teacher, but rather memorization of unimportant data. Do I care who ruled Mexico in 1873? Do I care how to use a semicolon in a prepositional phrase? Do I need to know the number of protons in a gold atom? What's the point if I will never see one? What's the point if we have no idea of its figure? Can we doubt the possibility of what you are infusing our minds with as irrelevant? No. Philosophy is the only human increment that we've sewed into our nature that has any relation in how things are, how things work. Any moron with too much time on their hands can memorize a chapter in a Social Studies book, but it takes a truly developed mind to give one's statical opinions on any subject, be it the meaning of life, or the existence and possibility of religion. But if I was supposed to point a figure of knowledge that I was inclined to have "learned" (as the saying goes, "We learn something new every day,") is that people are tickle and thick-headed. What someone thinks [i]may[/i] be offensive to some unbeknownst to myself kid, is definitely not offensive to me. Any thing of serious importance or relativity that I speak is never offensive, nor in the slightest means implies offensisim.

What I've learned is that people are too concerned about others to think about themselves. Do they think it's offensive? No. Do I think it's offensive? No. May some other unknown person be offended? Maybe. You see by this, the officials of the "highly prestigious" OCN boards are too concerned about some poor sap's feelings because of the "F" word. It is ridiculous. Will I create another account? Well, they've given me the opportunity to, so I very well may do so. Will I change my way of being because someone is concerned I may offend someone else? Absolutely. Not. If one is to be offended by anything of mine, write me a letter, I will be more than glad to change or delete my statement. But rather have someone speak through some invisible or non-existent character is increasingly frustrating and holds an almost microscopic interest of my sympathy. Tell me, or leave it to rest.

So the night has fallen, the body has rested and the mind has wakened. Today will be the start of a new day, a day of opportunity, a day of cope. Everyday is different unless you chose the path of repetition. If you repeat your occurrences and activities on a daily basis, then you are not a living human being, but rather a non-existent blob of carbon there to fill in the gray crowd. Living in a gray world is not a dandy sight, living in a multi-colored, vibrant world however, is. Everyday we cope with something caused by the preceding day or days. Everyday we alter something that will change your relationship with another being for the duration of your life, everyday follows the same "cause and effect" proportion endured by humanity for thousands and thousands of years. I made someone mad, I had my account deleted. My account was deleted, my teacher became furious. I had sympathy for her so-said embarrassment, apologizing for the incident, she showed sympathy back. Cause and effect.

I end this message to you on a light note, on a very heart-warming consideration for the best. Or more accurately, my use of organizing fancy words and singulars in a literaric fashion to sound quite cool. By the end of my base you will wonder and wonder, but the message is clear. Or rather I say, [i]messages[/i]. Live each day as if it were your last, live each day as if you had something to live by. Believe there's no such thing as intelegence; believe that you're as equal as the rest of your peers and superiors. If you are ridden with negativity, don't emotionally ride out your anger, but rather shelter your angst and look for the best. Face it, not everything you say or do is right, for each action there is a counteraction. For each counteraction, there is indeed, another counteraction. Be it that you insulted a peer for the enjoyment of a good laugh, say you're sorry. I guarantee that every human can sense emotion. I guarantee that every human is veiled by their on superstitious self beliefs. We are created equal; we are to treat others as equals. Be yourself, be a person, don't give into society.

[ragingflea002]

[quote="Maemi (Maemi-chan)"] Walgreen's "perfect worlds" advertisements fascinate me. Is that really how a perfect world is? What is a perfect world? Is a perfect world a world where every person's wish comes true? What if someone wishes for ultimate destruction, and another wishes for ultimate peace? It would be a clash of wishes. What would happen then?

Is a perfect world a world where everything and everyone is equal? If that were the case, then everyone would be void of emotion. People would have no use for them anymore. One would not feel hope, despair or happiness. How can you, when everything is equal? Everything is fixed and never-changing. How can this be a perfect world?

A perfect world; therefore, would be a still world. It would be a world where time and movement fail to exist. If someone would wish for such a world, we shall cease to exist, for a perfect world is non-existent.




I don't know if that just made any sense :huh: , but that is what I think of a perfect world. I am open to other ideas though. [/quote]
I was thinking along those lines moment I read "The Giver" by Lois Lowry. Utopia is by all means physically impossible on Earth. You can force the ideas upon a group of people, but laws of averages state one person MUST disagree.
Murphy's Law says if it can fail, it will. Utopias will definately fail. It's ethnic cleansing, basically. Brainwashing of an individual.
Then again, in a utopia, would anyone care? The inherent anomaly may. Killing could be necessary, but a factor dependant on population would become imperfect.
You couldn't have a soul, and the person behind it all would be the only one with an emotional state of being.
Oh, and a lovely bit of info was passed onto me yesterday. The supervolcano under Yellowstone National Park may very well erupt anywhere from 5 to 100,000 years. The signs are NOW, which is quite disturbing, considering the force of the explosion.
Mt. Saint Helens was the worst the U.S ever thought of when it comes to volcanic eruptions. A class 3 eruption, the force of about 10 atom bombs.
A supervolcano, particulary the one in question, will have the force of approximately 10,000 atom bombs. The toxic gases with destroy human life over half of the United States, the ash will travel farther, and will shred the lungs of many. The death toll with be around 1 billion.
2 years later, during the mini ice age, it may increase, almost certainly. That ice age will affect ALL OF YOU. Not just the U.S, although I definately pity those who live on the west coast. When that thing blows(in ouor lifetime, God forbid), you're dead. No shelter will save you, you should buy that shotgun and kill yourself before the ash does. It'll be less painful. A shotgun doesn't allow your bones to grow on top of each other and your lungs to freeze.
There is BOUND to be some philosophy in there. One of you had better find it. Give me a philisophical reason to:
A. Care
B. Fear
C. Prevent(impossible by today's technological standards)
D. Die early(dunno when it blows, not too early)
E. Start packing the heavy clothing
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Not all who wander are lost.
"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[jb_dominick]

[quote]The Matrix brought up an extremely complex question in my mind about the future of this world. With war, drugs, death, rape, how long will it take for somebody to create a computerized, perfect world? With virtual reality soon to be tangible, will there be a person rich enough to lock themselves in their own little world, locked away from this one? Will human beings die out because our only interactions will be those born of virual beings programed to fit our personality perfectly?[/quote]
Haven't you ever watched Digimon?




The general definition of a "perfect world" is a state of well-being. The entire world is engulfed in happiness and peace. There is no war, prejudice, conflict or sin. Everyone functions as they see fit in a positive matter.

[ragingflea002]

Which is impossible, due to law of Averages.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[PhunkYMunkY]

Interesting, but still, maybe a perfect world is one which shuts humans off to thier key elements. Beings of our perpetual reason. A perfect world = perfect body and mind? Would animals attack? Any animals at all?

Like a factory setting for people. Would we still work? Would we need to work? Would there be death and decay at all?

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[Alagaesia1silverfang]

okay?
nevermind ignore this

[eclipsedmoongoddess482]

[quote]Interesting, but still, maybe a perfect world is one which shuts humans off to thier key elements. Beings of our perpetual reason. A perfect world = perfect body and mind? Would animals attack? Any animals at all?

Like a factory setting for people. Would we still work? Would we need to work? Would there be death and decay at all?
[/quote]

A perfect world is a flawed idea in itself. The meaning of life could possibly be based on the mistakes we make and how we learn from them. We work to try and improve a world which may never improve but still we learn and strive for perfection that may never come.

Death is like a doorway that makes room for new possibilites. If there was no death or decay then there would be no change thus imperfection.
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