Band merch

DragonicFlames · Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject:

rock on. Yeah i got tour dates on my shirt too. : ) And it was freaking awesome might i add. A torch was lit (an actual torch) what fun! =^^=

Sexy people running around the stage with torches, awesome.

Though the only thing that sucked was another preformer who took 45 minutes to set up and 15 minutes to do music (crappily) and another 20 for clearing off the stage.

If you earned it, you should wear it.

If you bought a knock off, there should be a label on the back of the shirt "WAL-MART MADE". xD Lol...

J/k not to bash on that, but a lot of preps at my school wear the Ac/dc shirt and they love country to death. You cannot do that. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT!

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fallenangel · Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject:

That's different, though. If they don't even like the band, that's agreeably stupid, no matter where they bought it. But if someone likes the band, it doesn't really matter where it was made as long as it's not a repro of a tour shirt. The difference is, if it's a repro of a tour shirt, that's poseur-dom at its finest. Saying "I was at this show" when you weren't.

I think the issue is not where it's from, but the intent of the person wearing it. Those who wear them because they're in style are stupid. It just happens that Walmart and Kmart and Hot Topic and all those stores cater to them, thus carry expensive but cheaply made repros.

General band merch that the groups sell off their website and license to stores, there's nothing wrong with that because it's impossible to buy them anywhere else.
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eclipsedmoongoddess482 · Elder In Training Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3703

Thank you fallen! God, I was like getting annoyed with like all this "Oh, this shirt was like a band shirt bought at Wal Mart. So pouser!"

I can't afford to go to concerts. Its way too expensive. Plus, I did need clothes to wear so like, when I see something that says AC/DC for like $7, I'm going to be like "Hell yeah! Clothes that actually look decent for a nice price. I can now express myself thanks to this general merch bargain."

I'm like thankful for Wal Mart and general merch for the most part. Smile

I mean, I love AC/DC and Jimi Hendrix and I want to like be able to show that I appreciate them somehow.

I dunno, maybe its just me. :/ The whole "wear you bought it determines your music integrity" really pisses me off actually. Who cares about the label or where you got it? If it looks good on you then just wear it. Honestly, this is almost as bad as like that whole Abecrombie and Aero-whatever brandname thing. Hell, its like worse because you don't see preps kicking like each other's asses over whether or not they were "actually there" when buying their shirt. <_<
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DragonicFlames · Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject:

I still think that you can save that 7 dollars up to getting a shirt that you can actually say the money goes to the band, the entire money. Me and gray have been having an yim discussion on it:

But i completely x-ed out of his YIM message and cannot retrieve what we said...

Gray's being an ass and won't give me the convo...

Wal-mart to me is sh*tty no matter what you buy, eventually it'll break way before it should. I mean, i do buy from there because i'm not going to mitchels for pencils. But i dare not buy their clothes. >/

If memory serves, Sixx, you said something about crappy wal-mart bras. Wink

The same thing applies here, though not in quality, or maybe in quality, i dunno.

Here's the convo (curisty of gray : ) <3 )

Gray: well what about when it's all people can afford
DF: 'round here it's "wally world"
Gray: but they still want to show devotion
DF: >/
DF: show devotion? lol
DF: more like "what's in style at wally world"
gray: DF: I've seen plenty, PLENTY
DF: of country loving, preps who are... conseritives and would hate to even listen to the real creed (not those crappy songs VH1 plays)
Gray: Well.. say I like System of a Down (which I do, alot) and I go to WalMart for my hously monthly shop and I see the shirt.. it's in the budget and I can just afford it and fancy a treat for myself..
Gray: can I please buy it, DF?]
DF: (*conservitives
Gray: real creed
DF: Then you can save up
Gray: they suck
DF: to
DF: buy
DF: the real thing
DF: you don't need to buy it right away
DF: all the money goes to is friggin' wally world
DF: whoop dee friggin do
DF: that's not apperication
DF: that's wally world
DF: jackin' s**t
DF: Sure they probably get
gray: DF: like a 5%
DF: off of it
DF: cause of their name
DF: but WTH
Gray: ..that's what you call thinking too much about s**t. Authentic shirts cost like $30+
DF: it's not like the make a whole bunch
DF: BULLSHIT
DF: I got my shirt
DF: from a concert
Gray: Well I don't know your american prices.
DF: at 25 dollars (with out tax)
Gray: concert.. official merch?
DF: Oh yeah
Gray: which concert?
DF: official merch
DF: not that crap that just has the name on it
DF: Tour name and everything
DF: i got it in my closet
DF: want me to get it for you as proof?
Gray: which band
DF: I will
DF: right now
Gray: lmao
Gray: k go get it
Gray: but
Gray: what band
DF: you'll see
gray: DF: >/
Gray:
Gray: ya but KoRn suck : )
DF: old korn doesn't
DF: gay poppy crappy korn
Gray: yeah
DF: with their remakes and s**t
DF: does
Gray: 2004 KoRn does
Gray: :/
DF: Not on that tour
DF: they did oldies
DF: : )
Gray: good

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I mean people will get SOME money, don't get me wrong, but not a whole bunch, and that's not fan love right there. I mean, if i ever went up to korn (for example) I'd probably empty my wallet and tell them that they should play their oldies and no more remakes (if they ever get their drummer back...)

:/ I think most people would agree with me.

I don't like seeing a bunch of people who aren't really wearing the shirt for fan apreciation wearing it.

And I don't like the excuse that it's "too expensive" hell everything is expensive, do you know what i paid for some crappy simple crayola colored pencils at wal-mart (lol)? Bunch more than what they are worth.

But since i am running low on them and I don't live anywhere really close to mitchels (to get prismas) i'll buy them.

We can all not buy things and save up for the really good things that are probably going to last longer in the long run. (With stuff that's more expensive to me, i make sure i use them very carefully so they'll last way much longer).

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eclipsedmoongoddess482 · Elder In Training Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3703

[quote]I still think that you can save that 7 dollars up to getting a shirt that you can actually say the money goes to the band, the entire money. Me and gray have been having an yim discussion on it:[/quote]

But I need the clothing more than I need to go to a concert. I'm not about to spend like thirty dollars on one shirt when I can get like ten shirts for the same price and still show some love. Its a matter of like our living conditions. I am totally running out of shirts that fit me. Wal Mart had a sale of nostalgic band shirts that ran in a size small which is what I needed. So naturally, I bought them. Hey! Now I have clothes that I [i]need[/i] so I can go to school looking nice.

[quote]If memory serves, Sixx, you said something about crappy wal-mart bras. The same thing applies here, though not in quality, or maybe in quality, i dunno.[/quote]

But bras are not the same as shirts DF. Bras wear out faster than shirts because of how the breasts grow and shrink sometimes. I still say that Wal Mart quality [i]bras[/i] are not as good as a name brand Victoria Secrets bra. But shirts are different. Shirts don't stretch out like bras do, therefore, that isn't the same thing.

All I'm saying is that, I just don't think its a big deal where a person buys their clothing or why they buy the clothing. If it looks good on them, then let them wear it. I mean, its not like its hurting you is it? Or maybe it is but thats mostly your problem for taking things so hard, isn't it? Wink

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fallenangel · Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject:

That was quite possibly the worst argument I've ever heard. Don't buy it because the money doesn't go to the band? [b]The money from CD sales does not go to the band, either.[/b] It goes to the employees of the record company and the cost of production. The royalties the band gets are pennies, same as clothing.

With clothing, it's not even royalties, the clothing company pays them to use the logo/name/images. Where you buy it doesn't change how much money the band gets at all. The ONLY way the money will go to the band is if it's a smaller group that makes and sells their own merch personally, and in that case, they wouldn't be in retail stores anyway. They'd be handing out their crappy demo to anyone who will listen, begging you to buy their garbage on cafepress and please visit their myspace account. If that's the only people you appreciate, maybe your argument makes some amount of sense.

I really think you're just trying to be an elitist cunt and say your one sh*tty band shirt is better than other people's. La di da, cupcake, I've got a closet full of shirts from concerts. But that same closet is full of just as many shirts from retail stores or used off ebay. And none are better than the other because [b]I bought them because I like the band.[/b] Whether it cost $5 or $35, it's all the same.

Actually, no, it's not the same. My ones that cost $35-$50 were from concerts. And you know what? Aside from the fact they're tour shirts and are cool to remember the event with, they're no better quality or value than shirts of the same band from JC Penny for $9. A t-shirt is a t-shirt, there's very little difference in quality, ESPECIALLY when it comes to band swag. It's all cheap t-shirts bought in bulk.

So if you want to be a special little princess with your one souvenir shirt that you "earned", and turn up your nose at other people who wear the shirt for the love of the music and not to be a superior asshole, go right ahead. The rest of us will buy what we can afford and proudly display the groups we love.
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Beatlechick90 · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:41 am Post subject:

Right on, fallen. I have this Avril Lavigne t-shirt that I got at her concert for $30.00. Trust me, that thing was NOT worth $30.00. I have another one that I got off of eBay for $10.00 It's not a concert t-shirt, but I just wanted to represent for her, y'know?
I find it hard to find cool band tees. You look on the internet and they're all so damn expensive. I just want a freakin' Beatles tee, or a Jefferson Airplane tee. or a JOAN BAEZ TEE DAMN IT WHY ARE THEY SO HARD TO FIND?!!!
And around here they don't sell them at Wal-Mart, even, the only place to get them is giant men's shirts at CDplus, or an hour and a half away at the Bluenotes store at the New Glasgow mall. And even then, everyone has the same shirt. I bought a Beatles shirt there once, on sale. They have some new ones in, I hear, I want them...
So I made me own Joan Baez tee, and I get tons of compliments on it.
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fallenangel · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:31 am Post subject:

[quote]And even then, everyone has the same shirt.[/quote]

Exactly, that's why I love ebay. :wub: Even with repros, they usually only reproduce the one or two most popular/famous designs. Like if you go into a store, chances are the only Motley Crue shirts will be the Shout At The Devil CD booklet images or from Girls, Girls, Girls,

But on Ebay, you can get all the old merch they used to sell for usually around $10. Same for most other bands if you keep an eye out. I finally got my Mike Monroe shirt after trying for months. Surprised

The tanktop I'm wearing right now is a piece of old Gn'R merch, I believe originally sold at the south american shows. $6. <3

I love my concert shirts as souvenirs, but pretty much all my favorite shirts are old ones off ebay.
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eclipsedmoongoddess482 · Elder In Training Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3703

[quote]And around here they don't sell them at Wal-Mart, even, the only place to get them is giant men's shirts at CDplus, or an hour and a half away at the Bluenotes store at the New Glasgow mall. And even then, everyone has the same shirt. I bought a Beatles shirt there once, on sale. They have some new ones in, I hear, I want them...[/quote]

Around here, Wal Mart is pretty late with the styles and what t shirts are best to get. I remember seeing nostalgic AC/DC and Led Zep shirts at places like Khols and JC Penny and they were like $15 each but they were like the first ones off suply so I guess if you have the money and like the band that much then department stores are the way to go.

But Wal Mart just recently got all that good Beatles and Jimi Hendrix and AC/DC stuff. A little late in the game if you want to be in style I guess for for people like you, fallen and me its still pretty damn cool because now the shirts are cheap and not everyone is wearing them anymore. Not that it would matter. I don't really care if someone is wearing the same thing as me. Its not that big of a deal, you know? ^_^

[quote]So I made me own Joan Baez tee, and I get tons of compliments on it. [/quote]

I remember fallen doing that for a Velvet Revolver concert once. She made a kickass Duff McKagan shirt. I mean, no money went to VR for that shirt but she still was showing some love for one of her favorite bassists in one of her favorite bands.

As for the money going to the bands, most of these people are really well off in the first place so I doubt Korn is going to like throw a huge bitchfit now that they can't buy a fifth Hummer because they aren't getting the two cents from Wal Mart who's selling shirts with their name on it.

If they can afford to mass produce shirts and distribute them to retail stores such as Wal Mart of JC Penny then they're doing pretty damn good financially. Its the bands that are just starting out that can't afford to mass produce that need the shirt money. So fallen is right. If its a small band, then yeah, they need the shirt money more than Wal Mart. But they're so small that its not like Wal Mart is going to sell stuff from them anyways.

The only tour shirts I have are the ones that my uncle "earned" when he went to the Chinese Democracy Tour back in 2002 and a Dead Horse tour way back. The CD shirt is pretty decent. I mean, I could do without Axl's dreads on the back of the shirt but its still pretty funny to laugh at all the dates and gigs that never happened. Laughing

And the Dead Horse shirt is actually pretty crappy. Its like really cheap fabric that keeps ripping new holes everytime I wear it. Plus they only sold this giant One Size Fits All style at that show so yeah, I guess its good to like remember the tour 'n stuff but if you're never going to wear the shirt because its too big and poorly made then whats the point? I'll use that money to like buy a water bottle or two or a hotdog or something I could use there.
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Beatlechick90 · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:14 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I agree. But I think it might possibly be okay to wear a t-shirt if you weren't there at the concert, in some circumstances. The other day on eBay I saw a really cool vintage Dylan shirt from his Rolling Thunder Tour (like 25 years before I was born), I didn't buy it, because it was too expensive, but it still would've been cool to own.

(I would also like to apologize for my horribly disjointed first post.)
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DragonicFlames · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject:

DAMN AOL's CONNECTION! >/ f**k heads!

Anyway, as i was attempting to post earlier,

I am bored/don't even care about the entire arguement.

Sixx: Wal mart shirts only last one wash. They shrink up so that my cat can wear the shirt (in COLD water not even dried yet) : O ;)

Fallen: I know the peeps who hold the contracts get the money. But they are the one's who pay the checks to the band. ; ) I mean that's a give.

Wal-mart clothes = sucky.

But you know what's worse? The Kmart clothes. : O. :/ >/ Anyway, i won't be visiting this thread again so, happy times ya'll. : )
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eclipsedmoongoddess482 · Elder In Training Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3703

[quote]
I am bored/don't even care about the entire arguement[/quote]

Sounds like to me that you do see that we may be right. ;)

[quote]

Sixx: Wal mart shirts only last one wash. They shrink up so that my cat can wear the shirt (in COLD water not even dried yet) : O [/quote]

My AC/DC shirt that I wore last night has lasted over ten washes and still looks as good as the day I first got it. You aren't drying your shirts in the dryer are you? That could be why your shirts are shrinking because most shirts (from any type of store, it doesn't matter) will shrink in the dryer. Try hanging your clothes after washing them instead of putting them in the dryer. Takes a little longer to dry (about a day usually) but at least you don't have to go out buying another shirt because you ruined it in the dryer.

All my shirts are from Wal Mart and other retail stores. Does it really matter anyway? I would expect this from like a retail snob, not from you DF. Even the preps at my school don't care that I buy Wal Mart stuff and they are usually the ones you'd expect to like say that kind of stuff.

But I'm just wasting my time now since you've left here. Sorry that you feel this way. Sad

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fallenangel · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject:

[quote]Fallen: I know the peeps who hold the contracts get the money. But they are the one's who pay the checks to the band. ; ) I mean that's a give. [/quote]

Yes, it is a given, and completely destroys your argument. A label/band manager handles ALL promotion. That includes official tour merch, website merch, and licensed store merch. No matter which one you buy, a check is cut to the band for use of the name. They're getting no more money from any of them.

[quote]I remember fallen doing that for a Velvet Revolver concert once. She made a kickass Duff McKagan shirt. I mean, no money went to VR for that shirt but she still was showing some love for one of her favorite bassists in one of her favorite bands. [/quote]

I did. :wub: And he got to see it, which made me infinitely happy. But I actually did buy one of their tour shirts as well, so hey, tossed a bit of money their way. I recently made a Placebo one too because 1. I'm saving money by redoing all the old clothes I won't wear anymore into something tolerable and 2. with currency rates so bad, their normal merch costs around $40+ in American dollars. And you know, I think Brian will probably forgive me. :rolleyes:

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You know, I really don't mind people who wear the old tour shirts. Because to me, it's pretty obvious you didn't see the Stones in the 70s. But if you buy a shirt from a 2002 concert you didn't go to (fanfire.com sells a lot of these, sometimes leftovers get put up on a band's site, etc.), that just seems silly to me. Like my shirt from the '03/'04 Bowie show, if I didn't see the Reality tour...wtf? But my favorite Faster Pussycat shirt says "North American Tour 1989" on the back. Pretty obvious I didn't see them at 2 years old.

All comes down to intent. I wouldn't wear one of those trendy Orange County Choppers shirts unless I really liked the company. Same goes for band stuff.

All t-shirts with screenprint designs should be washed in cold, inside out, and hung to dry. Doesn't matter where they're from, they'll all be destroyed quickly if washed like a "normal" shirt. I throw mine in the delicate cycle in the dryer just because I have so many and don't possibly have room to hang them, but the slight shrinking is ok. Most of them are mens anyway.
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slavetotheWALL · Forum Stalker Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 1321

Wal-mart is god around here I mean compared to stores like hot topic and these stands at the fairs 10$ for 2 novelty Pink Floyd shirts phaw see if I give a damn if it's "concert bought" you have any idea how retarded you'd sound if you were boasting about a 30$ dollar shirt you bought from a concert :huh:

Exhibit A: