Chronicles Of Narnia!

[trueliesaa]

honestly, if you put aside the animal violence... it was an okay movie, I guess... I won't see it again just for that, though...
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[ultima_yunie]

^^ Didnt you notice that no animals were harmed in the making of that movie? It's all movie magic. Would you not see LOTR again cause a few orks died?

[trueliesaa]

A: orcs are hideously ugly, and they are much closer to human... I don't care about seeing human death...

b. orcs are thirsty for blood... they're not forced to do shat... they just like to kill things...

c. orcs are notl manifestations of a real entity [aka... there ain't no freakin' orcs!]


to put it anti-nicely... you just got pwned!


[okay Strata... now you can work your magic, and pwn me ten times worse than I just pwned her...]
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[Fayore]

[quote="trueliesaa (Aaron Enos)"] honestly, if you put aside the animal violence... it was an okay movie, I guess... I won't see it again just for that, though... [/quote]
You're so funny.

We have Iraq going on today, but I don't see you clamoring about [i]that[/i]. If you take a broad look at the word "animal", you'll notice that that word encompasses human beings, too. And there's the war torture, which could also be defined as "animal cruelty." Not only that, but Iraq is real. Narnia isn't. 8D

Anyway, the wolves did it because they wanted to. They weren't afraid of the White Witch. If you look at them, you'll see that they were just like the treacherous in today's fantasy hierarchies - they teamed up with the White Witch because they wanted power. Nowhere in the book or movie mentions that Jadis forced them to do anything, because she didn't. I've no doubt that Maugrim would have abandoned Jadis if he found out that she lost power - he'd take his followers and hightail it outta there. Much like the hyenas in The Lion King - but I don't see people complaining about the "animal cruelty" that was Mufasa's death, nor the obvious abuse Scar put the lions and hyenas alike through. ;P

Not only that, but if you're worried about [i]real[/i] animals, do you really think that real animals could have performed the various tasks as in the movie? I hardly think so. Reliance on animatronics and computer animation gets you everywhere in the movie making business.

[quote] A: orcs are hideously ugly, and they are much closer to human... I don't care about seeing human death...[/quote]

So, if you saw a house on fire, you'd run in and save the house cat but not the kid who's wailing piteously, dying from the fire?

:huh:
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[ultima_yunie]

[quote]A: orcs are hideously ugly, and they are much closer to human... I don't care about seeing human death...[/quote]

O, so human death doesn't matter?


[quote]b. orcs are thirsty for blood... they're not forced to do shat... they just like to kill things...[/quote]

And who's to say those wolves don't? You can see into their heads? And yeah, they are forced to do shat! Given commands, hmm, sounds pretty damn close. If they don't obey, yeah, the orcs'd get killed. Like the wolves, no doubt.

[quote]c. orcs are notl manifestations of a real entity [aka... there ain't no freakin' orcs!][/quote]

And there are talking wolves now?

I haven't seen the movie yet, but w/e. It doesn't sound like the kinda thing that'd be so traumatic. I'd be more concerned about Aslan's sacrific and how true to that they were.

EDIT: Just read the above post. Go Fayore!

[Fayore]

And Yunie remined me: you're talking about the wolves and the supposed "animal cruelty" associated with them, but you have nothing to say about Aslan's sacrifice? :huh: Or the fact that Jadis took Aslan's mane just so she could humiliate him AND have lion fur to complete her battle outfit?
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[trueliesaa]

I was talking about movies, not reality firstly [I'd save the cat and the person... I'm strong enough to do that!]

and secondly... [quote]We have Iraq going on today, but I don't see you clamoring about that. If you take a broad look at the word "animal", you'll notice that that word encompasses human beings, too. And there's the war torture, which could also be defined as "animal cruelty." Not only that, but Iraq is real. Narnia isn't. 8D[/quote]

okay... um... I talk about how bad Bush is for taking us to Iraq all the time...

and, although "animal" does generally encompass humans, most people do not think of humans when they hear the word "animal"

on to something else you said

[quote] he'd take his followers and hightail it outta there. Much like the hyenas in The Lion King[/quote]

If you recall... the hyenas ate scar! and why do you think that was... hmm... let me think... cause he treated them like shat, and forced them to do his bidding... that coment was a complete waste of time, and it really seems to me that I don't even have to tell you that you got pwned, as you did it to yourself!

[quote]Not only that, but if you're worried about real animals, do you really think that real animals could have performed the various tasks as in the movie? I hardly think so. Reliance on animatronics and computer animation gets you everywhere in the movie making business.[/quote]


yes... the movie business does rely on animatronics alot, but it's not because the animals couldn't do those things... they just didn't want the animals to get hurt... wolves do those kind of things all the time... basicly, and on a side note, I don't think they were trying to protect the animals out of the goodness of their heart... they just didn't want PETA to jump on them, and make them look like the facking hypocrits they really are!

and lastly

[quote]If you look at them, you'll see that they were just like the treacherous in today's fantasy hierarchies - they teamed up with the White Witch because they wanted power. Nowhere in the book or movie mentions that Jadis forced them to do anything, because she didn't.[/quote]

ok... so now you're saying that you can tell their intentions by [i]looking at them?[/i] that's utter hilarity! you can't tell what anything thinks by looking at them. And the reason it doesn't mention her forcing it on them is because it is assumed... that is what truly evil people do... they don't have the guts to do their evil themselves... for the most part, so they force their little chronies to do it...


yay! I actually pwned someone... someone that I admire, in fact, for their knowledge about many things... I can't believe it!!!

[thank you, Strata... even though you pwn me like... all the time... you have given me much-needed confidence!]


[I was actually kind of scared to right all this, as you are a moderator{or at least, I think you are...} and I was scared of getting booted off... so please don't... I don't think I did anything against the rules...]
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[ultima_yunie]

[quote]ok... so now you're saying that you can tell their intentions by looking at them? that's utter hilarity! you can't tell what anything thinks by looking at them.[/quote]

It's a way of saying look at their personality.

I don't think you pwn'd fayore. I think she pwn'd you.

[anti_sk8r]

[quote]that's utter hilarity![/quote]
Wanna know what's really "utter hilarity"?

The fact that you can't spell for s**t or argue a good point.

Anyway, I saw CoN on a field trip with about 200 other English Students, from my school. It was pretty sweet. I digged the spfx, and even though i've never read the books, I loved the storyline.

EDIT: I just read the last part of your post and boy am I pissed.
[quote]yay! I actually pwned someone... someone that I admire, in fact, for their knowledge about many things... I can't believe it!!!
[/quote]

You didn't pwn s**t you retard. Half of your points were completely invalid. I can't phukin wait till Fayore replies.
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[ultima_yunie]

I've only seen the trailers. It looks awesome.

But in the movie poster, the lion stares at me...

[anti_sk8r]

Your right he does!
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[Stratadrake]

[quote]If the wolves did it because they did not want to die for their actions, does that mean they wanted to do it? No! it means they didn't want to die... they were trying to save their own life... if someone held a gun to your head and told you to go steal something from a convenience store... odds are about 100 to 1 you would do it... do you deserve to be punished for saving your own life... hell no![/quote]
I think Fayore covered the issue pretty well in saying that the wolves [i]loved their job[/i].

And even if they didn't, even if they were just trying to preserve their own hides, the fact remains that they were [i]still willing[/i] to do so. If they were truly [b]not[/b] willing to do so, no amount of threats would have been able to change that, and Jadis would likely have ended up with a number of stoned wolf statues decorating her palace.
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[Honjetan]

Indeed.

The Wikepedia article said so!
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[Fayore]

Good God. I hate to spell things out for people because I like to believe that people have a relatively decent measure of reading comprehension. :(

[quote]If you recall... the hyenas ate scar! and why do you think that was... hmm... let me think... cause he treated them like shat, and forced them to do his bidding...[/quote]

Indeed. But you missed the point: the hyenas weren't afraid of Scar (as you've so gracefully shown in your comment about them killing him) and they were only with him as long as it got them power - they were finally higher in the animal hierarchy than the lions, and if they had to withstand Scar's abuse, then so be it. The fact that they were only aligned with Scar as long as it got them power is further exemplified by their act of killing him - once the hyenas found that Scar was no longer in a position of power, they killed him to release their frustration.

If Maugrim and his wolf pack were near Jadis when she was defeated, they definitely wouldn't help her. If she can't provide them with power, they're not interested.

[quote]but it's not because the animals couldn't do those things...[/quote]
What? Of course it is. Which is more expensive and time consuming: buying and training a large number of real animals to perform the tasks, or just getting some animatronics and a couple good computer animators? Besides, there's only so many options availiable to you if you need to depict a beaver [i]cooking breakfast[/i]. :huh:

[quote]ok... so now you're saying that you can tell their intentions by looking at them?[/quote]

Of course. It's called reading into something analytically. I do it nearly every working day of the week; English isn't the easiest course in the world. Also, how do you think psychoanalysists work? Certainly not by getting their patients to explicitly tell them the inner workings of their subconscious. :huh: Besides, that statement was awfully hypocritical of you.

Like Yunie said, you should take a step back and look at the wolves' personalities. The movie didn't have Jadis ordering the wolves to do anything under threat. She only had to issue an order, and the wolves performed the various tasks doggedly and of their own volition. Nowhere in the movie or book did a single wolf express fear of Jadis, fear or guilt of their murderous tasks, and definitely not repentance for any of the things they'd done. They tried to murder the Pevensies because they [i]wanted to[/i], which was what Strata's been trying to tell you the entire time.

...

Why do I even bother? :huh:
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[Yamikei]

I liked the books...

Way out of descussion!

[ThaKakarot]

lmfao.. that PETA dude is so damn fucked in the head... this thread should be pinned.. just so people can laugh their asses of :P

btw, fayore... Great stuff! you show em, girl :wub: :wub:



lol btw... saw the movie about 2 months ago... and i really enjoyed it.. i had never heard of "TCON" so the whole story line was new to me ^^

i loved the SPFX... the wolves looked awesome... as did the centaurs <3


only the damn trailers spoiled a part of the movie for me... before i went to see the movie, i saw aslan roar in the trailers.... so when he got "killed" i new he'd come back, cause that roar hadn't come yet

:(

[Honjetan]

It didn't quite get that out of hand, did it?
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[Stratadrake]

Not yet.
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[trueliesaa]

okay... maybe you guys are right, but you just have to realize... if they are depicted that way in the movies... some people... really screwed up people, are going to take that out on real wolves... they already do, here in idaho, where I live... wolf killing is a big and very controversial topic... btw sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings... or insulted anyone...

just found this... these dudes are awesome!

narnia rap
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[anti_sk8r]

You should really stop doing this "..." between every sentence. It makes your post look unclear and messy.
[quote]if they are depicted that way in the movies... some people... really screwed up people, are going to take that out on real wolves...[/quote]
Umm no. Nobody is going to go kill random wolves in the wild all because they saw them do it in a movie.

Usually hunting has a reason behind it. Living in Idaho, I would expect you of all people to know that.

BTW:
[quote]just found this... these dudes are awesome!
narnia rap[/quote]
How bout you try reading the whole thread before posting something that has already been posted, you n00b.
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