Misc > Original Characters

Stratadrake · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject:

As you know, around Christmas we removed the 'Original' heading from FAC's category list, and moved its Original Characters category into the 'Miscellaneous' heading.

A few weeks have passed since then. Was the change worth it? Is it easier or harder to find and browse the 'Original Characters' category now than before, or did it even make a difference?

We haven't seen or heard very much feedback on this matter, so this is why I'm asking. What do you think?
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Brianhjh · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject:

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hikari0205 · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject:

Personally, I think there were less problems before it was all moved, I don't draw many OC's but just putting them all in Misc. doesn't seem right :\
I think that it's better to give them their own character as there are so many of them being created nowerdays but I guess I can see the reason you put them in Misc.
But I will still stand by what I said and go with leaving them in their own category rather than Misc.

fallenangel · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject:

*ahem* [b]Fanart[/b] Central.

And it's one more click to get to the OC section now. How troublesome.

Actually, paintings should go under misc. too, if not be sorted into existing categories. Nothing else is divided by medium. It's just a leftover from the old days.
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Brianhjh · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject:

[quote="fallenangel (fallen)"] Actually, paintings should go under misc. too, if not be sorted into existing categories. Nothing else is divided by medium. It's just a leftover from the old days. [/quote]
I hate that category

dividing things by medium is totally unprofessional, you can use acrylic to make it look like watercolor, you can use watercolor (gouache) in a way it looks totally like acrylic.

If you just clump it in to "wet media", "dry media" or "mixed". Even then there will be problems.

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Envied_Chaos · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject:

[quote="Animemaster2334 (Lindsay)"] Wow, even more hard work shoved into the "No one cares" catagory >>
I'm not fussing about an extra click it's just that no one ever looks in the misc. catagory, because it's mostly just random stuff with no other place to go.
I don't see why paintings would need to go as well. Just because it's FAC doesn't mean it should have an original catagory. People are fans of their characters and therefore they draw them. I don't see why you'd draw a character if you didn't like them. I wouldn't consider that fanart but in a way I think it is. [/quote]
Exactly! I know Lindsay and Strata know my opinion on this as well.

It's not the fact that it's one extra click. That's not a problem at all. It's more of the fact that they were moved into the Misc. section when the Misc. was just random doodles/stuff that didn't have it's own catagory. It was not like Original, because you made those characters up, put thought into the design on the character and basically put a lot of time into it (( I have, 8 f**king years into my two OC's. Do you really think I'm happy about this?))

To the OC artists and creators, we're angry at Denis for not taking it into consideration that Original =/= Misc. in any way.

Miscellanous - Made up of a variety of parts or ingredients.
Having a variety of characteristics, abilities, or appearances.
Concerned with diverse subjects or aspects.

Original - Preceding all others in time; first.

Not derived from something else; fresh and unusual: an original play, not an adaptation.
Showing a marked departure from previous practice; new: a truly original approach. See Synonyms at new.
Productive of new things or new ideas; inventive: an original mind.
Being the source from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made.

They [b] are not [/b] the same thing. I know Lindsay's mad because she felt that her characters, along with others, were unimportant to FAC and had no praticial use here. Just accessories to the site. Just because they don't have their own show, or are known world wide does not mean that they (Or rather our)intelligence put into the characters is not to be acknowledged. It's basically insulting. Inuyasha was one an OC too, so was all other Anime characters until they had their own show.

Plus, it just makes everything harder to find, and harder to catagorize at this point in time as well.

So overall feedback? [b] I am not happy, and will not be happy with this choice. Ever. [/b] But I'm just one person among this site, so there's really nothing I can do.

fallenangel · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject:

Heh, quite honestly, yes the OC's are accessories to the site. 90% of the people come here to look at Inu Yasha and Sonic pictures, not people's original characters. Other people don't have the same attachment to them, so unless it's damn good art, they aren't nearly as popular as the fanart.

And I'm sorry, but drawing original characters is not fanart. Fanart is art done by fans of someone else's creation, otherwise ALL creation would be fanart. Now, if someone else drew your character, that could be considered fanart.

[b]They are miscellaneous to the site.[/b] Look at all the main categories. Does the OC come from a game, television show, cartoon, comic, novel, or a real person? No, it's something else? Then guess what, it's part of the melting pot of [i]things that aren't fanart.[/i] That's all Misc. means, things that aren't fanart. I don't quite understand your drawn out dictionary lesson because it has no relevance to the value of a character, merely where it belongs in organization.

Most art is found through looking at the recent updates. Look how huge the OC section was, how many people do you think found your pictures just going through the section? Maybe 2? The rest saw a recent update and maybe checked the rest of your gallery. You're getting no less exposure, just a bruised ego at not being on the front page.

How 'bout we all be thankful there's even a place for OCs, considering the number of times it's come up over the last few years whether there should be. People come to the site and think "Cool, anime fanart" not "let me look at this person's random character with green hair and fishnets" or "this nice painting of a flower". BUT, Denis and the rest of us KNOW that people work hard on their original stuff as much as their fanart, and it wasn't that hard to have a section for it. (now, the people who have an all original gallery irk me, but I digress...)

It's purely organization, and good lord I'm starting to wonder about the fallout from the bigger changes in the works. But since it is a benevolent dictatorship, Denis knows what's best. Even if people are going to cry about it in the process.
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DragonicFlames · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject:

Personally, I was a little unhappy. But i'm not seriously obsessed about it. I'm wasn't like "OMG DENIS JUST PUT ALL MY PICS INTO THE s**t BIN!"

And per the "extra" click, excuse me? :: raise the brow:: Finding Misc is easier than finding Original.

M comes before O now doesn't it children? And besides, i had to go through that WHOLE friggin list of s**t when all I wanted to post one friggin picture in the "Orginal Character" section.

What I don't like, is the fact that there are several "sub catogories" in orginal. Like take for existance that whole "Male" and then "Bishie". WTF. Male and then Bishie. WHO ARE WE KIDDING HERE? WHO? TELL ME? Of COURSE every damn little fan girl is going to post her little male character in to the bishie catogory even if it's NOT a bishie AT ALL.

Bishie = Pretty Guy. Wow. Yeah... totally lame on that, right there. GUY = MALE. There is NO difference. Just cause he's "pretty" he gets his own catogory. TALK about some EGO!

What happened to the Bishoujo section? Where's that? Huh?! HUH?!

/rant on bishies.

I think there are FAR too many "sub catogories" to go through. Yes I understand it helps to "seperate" other pieces from other pieces. But COME ON! Listing EVERY character, OBSURE OR MAIN, for EVERY anime, makes that list longer and longer and longer... and longer... and longer... and even more longer... Damnit, ENOUGH with the listing every character. Just have like the Five Main characters.

Like for example Fruits Basket:

Fruits Basket:
-Tohru (I'm spelling it wrong I know)
-Yuki
-Kyo
-Other characters.
-Orginal Characters.

IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT!

/rant about the friggin stupid forever and ever list of friggin Subcatogories.

And what the HELL is wrong with the dragon section? There is like FIFTY different FREAKING kind of "dragon". Excuse me... aren't they all "dragons" WTF?! Just keep them all together in one nice little bundle. What the hell is up with the sixty/seventy different dragon species.

Riiiight, we're going to make it more "spefic". Riight. And while your at it, why don't you clean up some of the pictures On the ENTIRE site itself. I KNOW there are probably accounts from the first day opening that have go to the way side and no one has done anything to them in YEARS. Delete those MOFOs!

xD

/Rant in general.

The end.
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fallenangel · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject:

--excessive subcats--

There's multiple reasons for that. In some cases, it's because sections were just moved together, and those weird subcats were leftovers from users who made their own, and the pictures haven't been sorted back into the better system.

And the category selection box has needed work for some time, something will be done to fix it.

--excessive number of dragons--

That would be obsessive compulsive Strata.
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Brianhjh · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject:

I actually agree with Fallen on this, this site isn't like Deviant art where everything art goes - for the namesake, this IS Fanart Central, it's number 1 on google search "Fanart", not "generic OC with wings and supernatural powers". People do come here for fanarts and the OCs just tag along.

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DragonicFlames · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject:

[quote="fallenangel (fallen)"] --excessive subcats--

There's multiple reasons for that. In some cases, it's because sections were just moved together, and those weird subcats were leftovers from users who made their own, and the pictures haven't been sorted back into the better system.

And the category selection box has needed work for some time, something will be done to fix it.

--excessive number of dragons--

That would be obsessive compulsive Strata. [/quote]
@ Subcats..

Good something needs to be done. And how about nipping the whole "make my own catogory cause I'm cool" thing too... ei delete the ablitiy.

@ Dragons...

My goddess and god of the sun, Strata what the hell. You don't need all that to describe dragon. Where's the RAINBOW COLORED DRAGON CAT? >/

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Brianhjh · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:

yeah, where's the category for Gay dragons? 5% of the world dragon population need a voice.
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rolla_roach · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject:

Species of dragons? Species? Of dragons? Seriously? Dragons?

I was unaware that dragons have seperate species. Come to think of it...I was unaware that dragons even existed nowadays. Weird.
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Stratadrake · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject:

[b]QUOTE[/b] (brianhjh)

Everytime you say frell to replace hell[/quote]
But lo, I always use "frell" in the same context as it was originally coined. :P

[b]QUOTE[/b] (Animemaster2334)

Have you tried to find the OC catagories though all the other crap in Misc.[/quote]
Yes, the OC section is pinned as the first subcategory listed under Miscellaneous.

For a reason. ;)

[b]QUOTE[/b] (fallenangel)

Actually, paintings should go under misc. too, if not be sorted into existing categories.[/quote]
My sentiments exactly (and I'd love to take a whack at it W00t!

), but it takes a lot of work to re-organize all the pictures, and I don't have much time to do it.

[quote="Animemaster2334"]It's more of the fact that they were moved into the Misc. section when the Misc. was just random doodles/stuff that didn't have it's own catagory.[/quote]
Sounds like you haven't browsed the Miscellaneous section in some time. Aside from the random crap (which, by definition of "Misc", will always be there), the Miscellaneous section also has a number of categories for more traditional themes of art such as Still-lifes, nature, and wildlife art. Y'know, stuff like they have categories for over on dA.

[b]QUOTE[/b] (fallenangel)

Look how huge the OC section was, how many people do you think found your pictures just going through the section?[/quote]
I counted them, we have nealy 20,000 pictures under the OC's headings, plus another 10,000 in the Anime/Manga > Original OC headings. That's a whopping 30,000 pictures and [b]literally 10% of all FAC content[/b], crammed into like eight nested categories.

[b]QUOTE[/b] (DragonicFlames)

Strata what the hell. You don't need all that to describe dragon.[/quote]
It's either that, or we have one single "Dragons" category with nearly 3,000 pictures (yes, I counted 'em) under no organization at all, which would easily rival the but-token organization we already have in the OC's categories.

Mind you that some of the distinctions are more, well, [i]distinct[/i] than others. An Oriental dragon is a far cry from, say, a European wyvern, and having separate categories for both makes it easier for the end-viewer to find specifically one or the other, when they are looking specifically for one or the other.

You probably haven't noticed that I moved all the D&D-based dragons out into the Games > D&D area for being technically fanart....

[b]QUOTE[/b] (rolla_roach)

I was unaware that dragons have seperate species. Come to think of it...I was unaware that dragons even existed nowadays.[/quote]
Precisely why the Dragons category is under "Fantasy" instead of "Misc > Animals". :P

Now, if you guys are going to keep berating me for the fact that we have about 20 sections for different types of dragon artwork (or, for that matter, the 20+ subsections we have in the Games > Pokmon > Pokdex area, which I did last month), I want you guys to at least do some equal-opportunity complaining and consider berating some of the OTHER insane categories we have:

- [b]Anime/Manga > Sonic[/b] and [b]Games > Sonic[/b]. Both of them have a wide array of [i]virtually identical[/i] subcategories. Same names, same fanart, different locations.
- [b]Anime/Manga > Yu-Gi-Oh![/b] has over 30 different character-specific categories. None of which I had any sort of involvement in, myself.
- And how about the [b]FMA[/b] category? It has like almost 30 subcats itself.
- [b]Anime/Manga > Inu-Yasha > Groups/Couples[/b] now has [i]nine[/i] different subcats for [b]specific A+B pairings[/b]. It's not enough to have one Groups/Couples category anymore, now we need to list specific pairings? In a series with like 20 official characters? (do the math: there are 400 ways to pair up random IY characters)
- [b]Anime/Manga > Naruto[/b] has nearly 40 specific subcategories, [b]including[/b] 10 [i]pairing-specific[/i] Groups/Couples subcats itself.
- [b]Anime/Manga > YYH[/b] has over 30 specific subcategories.
- And what about them [b]Teen Titans[/b]? Nearly 30 subcats under its name too.

Shall I go on? :woot:

So stop it with the complaints about the 20 specific Dragon subcats already.

(and THAT ^^ is worth a [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Brianhjh/Communistteach.gif[/img])
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That's what I am saying we have an EXTREME amount of subcats that we DON'T need. AS per the whole "Oh well the european.. dragon and the eastern..." WTF, hold the phone while I list these.. Fantasy- Dragons- Anthro/Human Dragons (240) <~~ Umm.. don't we have a anthro section all ready it's called "furries" : D Oriental (Eastern) Dragons (213) <~ Can see this Air/Wind Dragons (33) <~~ Um what the f**k? delete that Darkness Dragons (102)<~~ Delete this too... Dragon Groups/Couples (47) <~~ I can see that... Dragon Heads/Faces (365) <~~ can see Earth Dragons (50)< ~~ Delete Eggs/Hatchlings (44) < ~~ Put that under dragon group and couples under another sub cat of "eggs/hatchlings" cause they all kind of are in "groups" Feathered Dragons (56) <~~ Did you not read what I wrote about feathered dragons, In that thread a while back :: cough dinos? cough:: Fire Dragons (123) <~~ Delete (that's a very stupid cat... very) Ice/Snow Dragons (54) <~ Delete Lightning/Thunder Dragons (21)<~ delete Metal (Mecha) Dragons (23)<~~ Cybertronic would have worked, buddah Moon Dragons (42) < Delete Multi-headed (Hydra) Dragons (16) <~ Fine Sea/Water Dragons (126) <~~ Change that to Sea Sepents please Solar (Light) Dragons (20) <~~ Delete Undead/Skeletal Dragons (24) < ~~ Hrms... delete Winged Serpents (57) <~~~ Wtf.... : ( I am not even sure what to do with this one. Wingless Dragons (drakes) (156) <~~ Leave Wyverns (96) <~~~ ... Delete, seriously. Delete it. Add a sub category here <~~ No more this ablity. Now How about a cat that says: " Elemental Dragons" WOW, you wouldn't need all this darkness, fire, etc bullshit. Thats EXCESSIVE use of Cats. Now would you like me to continue on my rant or would you like more examples? _________________ [img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/Dragonicflamesfac/DFsig2.jpg[/img] [u]Thank You, Layz :heart:[/u]

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:26 am Post subject:

[quote]They are not the same thing. I know Lindsay's mad because she felt that her characters, along with others, were unimportant to FAC and had no praticial use here. Just accessories to the site. Just because they don't have their own show, or are known world wide does not mean that they (Or rather our)intelligence put into the characters is not to be acknowledged. It's basically insulting. Inuyasha was one an OC too, so was all other Anime characters until they had their own show.[/quote] Why didn't I see this topic before...Augh, I don't like the idea of Original going into Misc. Wait, scratch that. I [b]hate[/b] the idea of it, just like all the other oc creators (or whatever you wanna call it). Gosh, sorry, I care about my characters too much. I even have pictures of them up on my wall. Taiki's lucky, he gets to hang up above my head. _________________ It took me about ten minutes to defeat Giga Bowser, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo from Super Smash Brothers Melee using Peach. How long did it take my brother to defeat those characters using Yoshi? Two minutes. I like to obsess over stuff. Here are all the things I'm obsessing over: Song: Seize the Day by Default Anime: D.Gray Man Anime character(s): Kanda Video Game: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Video Game character: Wolf O-Donnell from Star Fox Assault OC: Ray Eclrida, copyright of me (duh!) OC Quote: "No, he just keeps getting beaten in the head with his own stupidity."-Ray Eclrida

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject:

[quote]Gosh, sorry, I care about my characters too much. [/quote] It's not about that. It's that [i]they fall into misc because they fit nowhere else in FANART CENTRAL[/i]. Organization. You wouldn't be whining if the whole category was called "original", but that's not as appropriate as "misc" because some things in it are not original, like the still life section and some animals. Misc. is the proper term, suck it up. _________________ "I care about people as much as I care about lawn furniture" - Dexter/Michael C. Hall

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject:

The dragon categories were a little overdone because we have someone on categories who is obsessed with dragons........ _________________ [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/gellypen/spearslut.png[/img]

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

Okay, and why not call me obsessed with Pokmon while you're at it? :P

[b]QUOTE[/b] (DragonicFlames)

AS per the whole "Oh well the european.. dragon and the eastern..." WTF, hold the phone while I list these....
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Now would you like me to continue on my rant or would you like more examples?[/quote]
I could show [b]you[/b] examples ... some of which I already did. ;)

Like I already said, some of the subcats have larger distinctions than others. Though, you are right that a general "dragons by elements" category would make some sense ... we already have character-group type categories in other areas, like Sailor Moon's "Sailor Scouts" and "Enemies" subcats, Beyblade's "Team Bladebreakers" section, and so on.
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