Nirvana Overrated?

ragingflea002 · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject:

I went onto a forum on www.mxtabs.net and replied to a topic regarding the greatest guitarist of all time. I put Hendrix down and gave due credit to Jimmy Page and Slash. Kurt Cobain came up and was instantly put down as a talentless guitarist and that Nirvana would have done better with another guitarist. What are your views on this, the few who respond?
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fallenangel · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 2:53 pm Post subject:

Nirvana and Kurt are a tricky subject to rate musically. It's undoubted that the best thing Kurt ever did for his career was kill himself (or be killed, whichever theory you believe). Think about it, it's always the artists that die young that have the best legacies. Otherwise, all artists suffer some drop in their success. Had he lived, it's almost guaranteed that eventually Kurt would have done something not as revolutionary or groundbreaking, and the critics would have turned on him as they do on everyone else. Some other genre would have taken over and left Nirvana to put out a few lackluster albums before being left to their few diehard fans.

The thing is, I'm sure Kurt would have liked that, and I would have liked that. The amount of Nirvana nutswingers who only like them because "dude, they're cool!" is annoying. And I do think they're definitely given too much credit because of the fact there isn't that downfall. All people have to judge them on is the best and no humiliating attempts at maintaining that success, so they end up with an inflated legacy. Yeah, the stuff they did do was great, but I don't think you can say they were the best band of all time or anything else people say these days.

As a guitarist, Kurt wasn't technically great. His skill and talent was in writing, but I suppose you have to give him credit for knowing you don't need the complex solos and melodies that dominated the hair band/glam metal scene for a good song. But I always have to laugh when he gets near the number one spot on top guitarists lists because it's really not true. He was a great writer, yes, and I think his playing really works with what Nirvana was all about, but as far as a technical player, he really doesn't belong there. Then again, there's usually a lot of people who don't belong on there.
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 7:09 pm Post subject:

Sadly enough, former bassist Krist N.(can't remember how to spell his last name) was considering running for governor of Oregon. I think it was because of Schwarzeneggar's fame as California's that he began to think of it. Fortunately, he backed out of it all before it started.

Kurt didn't apply difficult solos, this is true. You're right, he didn't need them. His vocals displayed his: 1. Anger 2. Views on life and 3. Pain. His use of effects was extraordinary enough and the image he built by his stage performance was enough to grant Nirvana national acclaim.

Death is always the best way to gain attention. However, you only die once, and the moment another star dies, you're ignored until the 10th anniversary. I don't blame him for killing himself. He had to put up with a wasted wife, a daughter who would be taken away from him, and critics. For the masses of fans who think Courtney Love killed him, keep on dreaming. It's a better thought, but Kurt probably did it. If it was Courtney, we'd at least get to see her fry.

Dave Grohl is, disputedly, one of the greatest drummers I've heard besides some of the solo drummers. He used the bass more than I have heard some bands in their entire career, and he always used it at the right time.

Krist N. was an awesome bassist, but he is a little delusional. Too many illusions covered his eyes. I'm glad I haven't heard about him since the Governor for Oregon debacle.

Nirvana is really hard to rate, but what I thought was that they were missing the point. Grunge is literally translated as "dirty" rock. Listen to "Rape Me" for example. You can tell it was recorded at a second hand rate. Cheap recordings of heavy guitar, bass, drums, and vocals begin to shape the grunge idea, but the grunge lies in the subjects they sing about, and in the detail. Look at some of Nirvana's titles. Few hard core solos are needed to express them. Besides, if you like it, you like it.
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fallenangel · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 7:31 pm Post subject:

True, they are forgotten as soon as another one dies, but they're still far more legendary than they would have been otherwise. If Axl had killed himself right after Appetite (people are taking bets on when it'll happen now Rolling eyes

) Guns would have been remembered as one of the best rock bands of all time. They still have that to a point, but everything that's happened afterwards just tarnishes their good name. There's that awesome beginning followed by a steady decline into less-than-amazing work (by technical standards, anyway, I still like it). Kurt literally and figuratively went out with a bang and is only remembered for his best work.

Ha, he'd have hated being our gov. Budget's a mess right now. Next year's gonna blow with all the cuts to school funding.
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:27 am Post subject:

When it comes to Education, South Carolina is right in front of Mississippi, which is dead last. They thought about making it a 4 day school week with one month of summer, but too many parents said hell no. $64,000,000 dollar deficit here! Must be why we have sh*tty IBM computers.........

My friend's cousin is so damn convinced Courtney Love pulled that trigger because he thinks the suicide note was in her writing. He's overlooking the fact that Kurt ordered a shotgun and that his friend picked it up for him. The reciept is clearly in his own writing, and the friend's reciept is totally legit.

Wonder who got his Jag-Stang? That's an awesome guitar........ They run for $569.00 at Musician's Friend..........

After the so-called "greatest hits" problem, along wit everything else that happens to him, I bet $20 dollars that Axl will do it within 5 to 10 years.

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ragingflea002 · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:30 am Post subject:

I wish Courtney would kill herself and do us all a favor. Leave Frances to a more mature individual/couple.
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fallenangel · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 12:05 pm Post subject:

We're only third worst for unemployment now. Woohoo, take that alaska!

Courtney'll overdose sooner or later. And Axl can't kill himself. He's too busy perfecting Chinese Democracy. It's going to be the second coming of Appetite for Destruction! (sarcasm mode off)
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 12:49 pm Post subject:

Courtney needs to be shot. "America's Sweetheart" my American ass........
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fallenangel · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 12:50 pm Post subject:

Only in America could our sweetheart be a strung out addict.
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:54 pm Post subject:

Hey, our president's daughters are wasted every night.
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fallenangel · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:57 pm Post subject:

Like father like daughter.
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 2:57 pm Post subject:

Exactly.

Then again, Grohl is the ONLY other Nirvana member that seems to be doing well for himself, unless you count the former guitarist before Kurt took over completely. I forgot his name, but he was with Soundgarden I think. They did well.

Kurt used a Zoom pedal to get the feedback. He didn't go close to the amp. I need to get me one of those..........
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artchic528 · Still very bored Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 349

[quote="ragingflea002 (Flea)"] Hey, our president's daughters are wasted every night. [/quote]
and people wonder why we hate him so much...... <_<

ragingflea002 · Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 8:47 am Post subject:

Yeah, but neither daughter liked Nirvana.

The stage performance was awesome, though.
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