Playstation 3, XBox 360, Nintendo Revolution/GO

[Fayore]

*resists urge to kill* And it's only three pages, too! It's not like we're asking you to read twenty pages of drivel. DX

We won't talk about the controller bit; I hate repeating myself. >(

[quote]its said that it will be released with twilight princess (though that is for the cube[/quote]

If it was made for the GameCube, it's gonna come out for the GC. They're not going to remake a recent game for a next-gen console. :/ The only thing similar about them might be their release dates, but that's not related with one another.
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[Stratadrake]

...or IS it? News had it, Miyamoto himself hinted that Zelda:TP will be not just a GameCube title, but also somehow compatible with the Revolution's controllers.

Ultimate finale for Gamecube + ultimate launch title (bundle pack?) for Revolution = :woot:

[quote]most of the games for the 360 are gonna be remade for the revolution or...[/quote]
Um, no. Different technical limits, different architecture, not to mention the radically different controller... not going to happen. The Revolution's going to see a lion's share of titles developed exclusively (or at least [i]especially[/i]) for it.

Just like the DS.


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PS: Wikipedia reports that the PS3's "boomerang" controller design has been scrapped and they'll unveil a new controller style at E3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_3#Controller
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[Fayore]

Well, maybe. But that situation seems rather rare to me. The only other time I've heard of it happening was when Tales of Phantasia was remade for the PlayStation (it was originally released around the end of the SNES generation), and even then Namco made another Tales game (Eternia, I believe), before going back to Phantasia.
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[Elbreth]

[quote] The PS3 controller looked like some weapon from a Sci-Fi movie. [/quote]
Just read this. It was just a prototype, it was always open to redevelopment, and [i]is[/b] being redeveloped. The new design will be shown at E3, apparently.


[quote]Also, have you seen the new Killzone for PS3? If it can do what Sony is claiming it can do, then we are looking at in game renderings that rival films such as Spirits Within and the Animatrix: Final Flight of the Osiris. None of the current gen systems could even hope for that.[/quote]
Those were pre-rendered movies based on what they [b]believed[/b] the system could do... nothing's to say that anything on the PS3 will look even [i]remotely[/i] like that. I like Playstation, but I really hate the Sony marketing techniques.

[b]Edit: noticed that the controller has already been pointed out, oh well.

[zakuman]

I think marketing is a big part of what will happen with the systems. And not too many people here are talking about it. So yeah, I figured I'd bring it up.

Honestly, I think Nintendo is getting too much credit. It's a dying breed. So far they're pushing their backwards compatability too much. And I can bust that wiiiide open. First off, it's not horrible idea. Nintendo can make 100% profit on each game. And yeah nintendo will surely be selling the games on a game by game download (Question is for how much, I think over $5 would be asking too much). What else? Well so far they'll only be making their 1st party titles available (Mario, Zelda, metroid, etc) All games that have had remakes for their great little handhelds. And all the games we've played plenty of. The addition of Sega genesis games to the back catelog is great too. But again it'll only be Sega's personally developed games. Later on they may add to it, but they'll need to find away to pay off the companies that developed those games... many of which are gone.

I wouldn't complain about it, but c'mon nintendo...lets see what the friggen thing can do. Let's see some of these new games. They've got until E3 to prove themselves. If they just show twilight princess, I'm gonna laugh at them.

As for Sony, well they've got a "world wide" launch ahead of them. Good luck, those suuuuck. But I can't knock them for it. They gotta do, what they gotta do. And time is crucial.

Anyway, I do think this next gen battle will be between Sony and Microsoft. This time Microsoft has the lead, and Sony will have the more powerful machine. But it didn't make that big of a difference before, I don't think it'll make that big of a difference now. I will give Sony a lot of credit for putting their balls out there, with the blue ray and the cell processor. Those alone will cost them $700-$800 per console(add about $200 for the rest of the parts). So even if they sold their system for $600-$700 (despite the fact that's a huge amount for a console) that would be a deal.

Again, a lot depends on what goes down at E3. We'll finally get the final pricepoints (I hope) for both the PS3 and the Revolution. And we will also get a better look at how they plan to launch their systems. Anyway, most of this is just banter. We won't really know how these new systems will fair until they come out.

[YourFalseMessiah]

[quote="Elbreth (Steven)"] Those were pre-rendered movies based on what they [b]believed[/b] the system could do... nothing's to say that anything on the PS3 will look even [i]remotely[/i] like that. I like Playstation, but I really hate the Sony marketing techniques. [/quote]
[i][b]If it can do what Sony is claiming it can do[/b][/i]

You don't actually [i]read [/i]posts, do you?


[quote]PS3...Xbox360?...why bother...most of the games for the 360 are gonna be remade for the revolution or the the PS3...so why waste ur money on that....

When you can get the same game with better control and graphics...but that's just me.[/quote]

Apparently that is just you. And what "just you" knows isn't alot.

First of all, since the 360 is the only console out as of yet, making any comparisons graphic or control wise is just talking out of your ass, as you have nothing to put it up against.

Secondly, let me give you a select list of the 360 exclusive titles. [i]Exclusive[/i]. As in: The other conoles will not have them. (Note: this list is as of February)

Chromehounds
Dead or Alive 4
Dead Rising
Gears of War
Halo 3
Jade Empire 2
Mass Effect
Mobile Suit Gundam (different from PS3 announced title)
N3: Ninety-Nine Nights
Ninja Gaiden 2
Lost Odyssey
Blue Dragon
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Project Gotham Racing 3
Too Human
Two Worlds

Raising one console over another to the point when you no longer even consider the other options is just ignorance, as all three next gen systems have their definate highlights and perks. I am keeping my eye on all three of them.

[Stratadrake]

[quote]So even if they sold their system for $600-$700 (despite the fact that's a huge amount for a console) that would be a deal.[/quote]
That would also be suicide. Microsoft set the precedent by topping their console's retail price at $400. Hype or no hype, Sony can't afford to show up with a console at a higher price, because fewer people would be encouraged to buy it.

[quote]I wouldn't complain about it, but c'mon nintendo...lets see what the friggen thing can do.[/quote]
GameCube could already do enough. Nintendo's machine isn't about hyping the graphics or speed of it. Heck, Nintendo doesn't even like the term "[i]next[/i] generation" when talking about the Revolutin. And the argument is solid -- the Revolution is more "new" than "next".
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[YourFalseMessiah]

"New" is a perfect way to put it. Nintendo is renowned for doing things first. Most of the features we see as standard in todays game consoles Nintendo pioneered. The Revolution is the next step and, true to form, Nintendo takes it first.

[loveliesbleeding]

playstation has the best games i like to tell myself
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[PFC]

Both are pretty neat. I'm normally an X-box gamer, but the PS3 is going to have better graphics and everything. I've come to like Japanese games (such as Soul Calibur, and all that other stuff that's Japanese style) and the PS3 has the games like that. The X-box 360 on the other hand has really American style games, and those are pretty cool too. I'd say... Both.

[infurno]

[quote="loveliesbleeding (Gianna Meola)"] playstation has the best games i like to tell myself [/quote]
and the biggest list of games. especily if its backwards compatable with both PS1 and 2.
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[ill_masta]

Please. With the Revo's virtual console, it will make Playstation's backwards compatibility look like nothing.

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[zakuman]

Yeah, I guess. But I never turn in any of my old games or systems. You just don't get what you put into them back (If you sell or trade them)

I also gave nintendo's "virtual console" more thought. And to my knowledge you can get 64 games on there too right? Cause that would be awesome!!! And they're also saying you can hook up any memory device that uses a usb. Also very awesome. So the Revolution will have a lot of swell things. But I wouldn't get it as a stand alone system. Cause even with the cube Nintendo didn't push out that many titles. I'd see on average 2-3 titles a month. Anyway, if it's not above $200 on launch I'll probly get it within 6 monthes of it's launch.

[Orlando_Hamar]

Although I'm sure Nintendo will be around for a long time...I don't really think they're going the right direction where marketing is concerned. I mean, sure, getting it out to new people via innovation [i]sounds[/i] like a good idea. I'm sure it is...but these people; will they really want to play a game with a TV remote? People, when they try something new, will often go with the mainstream, not the minority, so they can get what is, where sales are concerned, the best out of gaming.
And plus, Nintendo has never given out many games that will appeal to a wide audience. Just because they have a fancy controller (which is only an improvement of the eyetoy, in my oppinion) does not say anything about future sales.
The same goes for games. Nintendo, I'm sure kick out great games, but they don't seem to notice just how shallow people outside japan can be. Do we want cutsie characters, even if the game has great reviews? Do we want an in depth storyline, when the characters on the cover look like those out of the TV shows your kid watches? Do we want to buy an entire console when all they advertised exclusively for it are party games? Or what about those people who don't want to look like idiots waving a TV remote in front of the screen as if it were a sword?
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but no, I don't want that.

I'm all for good games, but the way they're presented is always the first thing people will notice.
But don't get me wrong; that's not why I'm going for Playstation.
PS3 just happens to offer what I want. Great games, great graphics, great sounds, easy to use controller.
I'm willing to pay more for a superior product.
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[Stratadrake]

I disagree, it's the fact that Nintendo's target audience includes the younger set that they get branded as "kiddie games", causing older gamers to shrink away from such an unsightly term.

And let's not forget that the DS is going stronger than the PSP.

Anyway, one of the first officially announced 3rd-party games for the Revolution is "Red Steel" by Ubisoft -- an FPS.
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[Fayore]

I think Nintendo is trying to remove that stereotype of it being for "kiddies", what with releasing RE4 on the GC an' all. They might even be able to accomplish abolishing that stereotype with the Revolution, who knows.
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[Alpha_zero]

I believe that, because of past sales and impressions left by the PS2 on Europe itself, it will own the European market. It will most likely have the wider selection of games (Overall) and should dominate peoples lives. Yes, the controller. Perhaps multi-functional, but definately a good controller. Sadly, it may lose points by not comnig wire-less automatically. Sony will infact be losing a total of $50 on every console they sell, thats how expensive it is. But with expenses, comes qulaity...

The XBOX 360, in my opinion was rushed for this Christmas. True, it was too near to completion to while away another year waiting to be distributed, but the launch games weren't at their highest quality, except some games that had reachec completion. Still, it will get a boost, being the first on the market and all, and because its the first of "The next-gen'" consoles out there, people will buy it for that reason, and that alone. It does retain a powerful grpahics engine and comes with wire-less controllers as default. A positive for Microsoft. Perhaps this is their turn to dominate. Most likely the XBOX 360 will find a place in America, partly because its slightly cheap there, but that is where it settled with its first release.

Ah, the Nintendo Revouloution. Nintendo were once dominant in this field of game-play, but now merely on-lookers as Sony and Microsoft battle it out. I can't see the Revoloution making much of a market for itself here, except for those who found the delight in Gamecube. Several positives though for Nintendo : The controller. The controller is a big part of any console, but the move-ment sensitive chip within the small remote leaves many possibilities for game developers, much like Eye-toy did for the PS2. Nintendo will definately sell in Japan, as did the DS, simply because they own the market there. Again, its going to go on past experience for most buyers rather than actual quality.

Advertising. PS3 & the 360 have done a very good job of that, both providing incredible game footage at last years E3, and this year...Nintendo had best hurry up if they want any interest in this battle.

Actually, Microsoft themselves are targetting Sony this year. They don't plan on just raking in profits, they're there to make sure Sony are thrown out of the market. This would levae Microsoft an entire world to throw their consoles at, with Nintendo avoiding the "Competion"

I still see the PS3 owing again. It will have another large selection of games (As I have said) and a much better grpahics engine (Upgraded from the PS2s). With Microsoft targetting PS2 owners as much past Xbox owners, this years console war is going to be big. Companies have already dished out millions on these consoles, so let us just sit back, don our gas-masks, and hold our control pads, and play the games system of our choice!

((Some information above may be slightly old, I haven't invested in the Video game market for a month or two))

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Look up the Wikipedia article on "path dependency" sometime. ;)

[quote]I still see the PS3 owing again.[/quote]
[i]Owing[/i]? Sony in debt, or killer typo?
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[Alpha_zero]

Partly killer typo (), partly true. Sony will lose $50 on every console sold, so they will be in debt eventually, unless theres a turn around...
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