Burning Cds

[ChrisFox]

I personally don't see anything wrong with burning compilation cds out of cds that you already own and/or songs that you have downloaded. Burning whole cds, however, whether downloaded or not, is wrong.

Where do you stand?

(Hopefully someone'll be able to write more eloquently than I can at the moment)
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[fallenangel]

Music is a product just like any other. The artist is providing a service to you in exchange for your money. No one is entitled to it, which is a really disturbing mindset of people today. Now, if you only like one song, I don't think you should have to go out and buy the entire CD just for that song. But if you're too much of a cheap bastard or can't afford a CD, too damn bad. You're not entitled to own it, and downloading is stealing. Granted artists make far more money from performing and selling their music for use in soundtracks and ads, it's still robbing them of royalties and hurting record sales.

Now, do I care so much if some people download a Backstreet Boys CD? Not really, but it's not a harmless action to download and/or copy CDs for people. My big gripe about it was a couple years ago when Sammy 7's album sold just under 5000, yet every single person at the shows knew all the words to every song. <_< And because of poor sales, Sammy 7 was dropped.

I don't understand how music is somehow excluded from being considered a product you should have to pay for. Sharing a song here and there, looking up old rare stuff, or even downloading some songs before going to buy the album is great to be able to do, but downloading/burning/copying entire CDs with no intention of buying them is fucked up.
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[ChrisFox]

I agree. But what about burning your own compilation cds? Either out of cds you already own or songs that you've downloaded or a mixture of both?
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[ragingflea002]

I like this topic...
Burned C.Ds are almost NEVER of the same quality as the regular C.D, so looking at it, you get the short end of the stick, but at a lower price. I wouldn't recommend downloading Metallica anytime soon, though.
If you have the sound recorder handy, you should be able to burn a C.D. It's your stuff. If you have a website that you've posted music on, like your official band site, and you download that, as you are part of the site's staff, you shouldn't have a problem burning that music to a disk, but you may be asked to allow others to do the same thing. That's why few people do it.
As long as you don't give copies to anyone else, keeping it your own unique mix, no problem should befall you.
Sometimes, it leads to bands losing money, as fallen said. Maybe that's why Metallica got pissed at Napster. I lost my respect for them right then. They can afford tons of equipment they don't always need, but no one can download their songs?
If you burned a whole album, with no ammendments(a ghost track keeps it legal), and distribute copies, yeah, you're screwed if anyone finds out.
Mixes are awesome. They go under your own preferences and they aren't technical albums. No trouble there.
I did the research on this. Any lawyer in the tri county area would be proud of me(they burn classical music mixes down here).
If the artist's performances aren't better than their C.Ds and people say, "Screw live performances, I'm gonna burn the album.", may as well let them. The artist won't survive for more than a year.
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[cstdenis]

Nothing necessarily wrong with burning CDs, you can buy legal copies of mp3s online now from a few sites.

as for illegal ones, The artists get a very very small amount of money on CD sales, its all about the studios making their millions. The artists can make their millions on concerts easily.

[quote]Burned C.Ds are almost NEVER of the same quality as the regular C.D[/quote] Its just as good if you do it right

[quote] I wouldn't recommend downloading Metallica anytime soon, thou[/quote]
I would just on principle



Hmmm, this is probebly my first post in this forums
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[ragingflea002]

My friend makes custom mixes. That might be why mine are of poor quality.
If he ever burns the WHOLE C.D, he adds a ghost track that adds about 5 seconds to the time, making it an unofficial C.D. He might add a sound clip of himself giving the name of the mix or C.D to make it custom. I have some of his burned C.Ds and he has done that to make it legal, at least in S.C.
As for Metallica, I wouldn't download the new stuff anyway. Old Metallica is better, and my dad saved me the trouble by getting their older C.Ds when they first came out.
I believe it is your first post here. Nice to hear from you.
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[Lasher]

My problem is, i never, ever, like half a cd's songs. I only like 5 and that's the max for me on any CD i've ever had. And i really don't have money to spend, so when i tend not to give a s**t. It's a known fact that artist make very little money from selling cds. It's all in marketing themselves, getting a huge fan base and dragging those fans of theirs into those awesome concerts (i'm thinking rock, metal, as awesome, not N'SYNC)

And yeah, i do download music, not of lately, considering the FCC is standing right behind comcast cable users and watching exactly what their downloading. And although my chances are slim at being one of the few they pick out to bully over a few lousy songs that could possibly save me froma terribly bad day and makes me feel better, i really, really don't want to take the chance off getting smacked with a $4,000 fine. <_< *mutters*


I've burned CD's before. I just did two actually last week. I'm desperate for new songs to listen to. It's a pity i have to waste all these cd's for this though, a waste of my momeny, still cheaper than going out and buying the CD's only to listen to two songs on it though.



And i like Metallica's new stuff as well as old. So picky, you people are

[ragingflea002]

The FCC has a few issues within itself it needs to work on. Recently, Howard Stren was kicked off 12 stations for his subjects. I'm not a fan, but he has his right to free speech on the airwaves. Only hitch is, you can say anything you want, you just can't always be allowed to say it in front of a whole lotta people. It's not how it's supposed to work, but that's how it's done.
Burning C.Ds isn't the crime. It's the distribution and the copyrights. Downloaded music has no copyright on it, it was put on the net to download, except on certain sites. Napster has copyrights and so do others. I'm assuming we're talking about illegal sites. Illegal distribution is really stupid, because people can find you easier.
New Metallica lacks the old's passion.
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[xWildfirEx]

Burning CDs is a way to find new bands. They keep playing the same hit on the radio, so you never know if the band's other stuff is any good. And not many peple are gonna buy an entire CD not knowing if its any good, so you can download little 'samples'.

But if you're gonna get the entire album, might as well buy it. If its good, the artists deserve the credit for it. Besides, they look better... like when they spin in the CD player and the colors blend together and hypnotise me and i forget what I'm doing and... O.o I'll stop now.

[fallenangel]

It's not about the money. Metallica was against Napster because people were downloading the CD [b]before[/b] it was even released. If you saw one of them on tv, he explained he personally didn't care if you downloaded their songs or not, but they didn't want them out there before it was released for everyone to buy.

And it's not about the money, it's about the principle (and in the cases of those like Samantha 7, keeping bands signed). You're not entitled to that music and I don't understand how anyone could think they are. It's not a right. Before the internet, your option was to record it off the radio with crappy quality or go buy it. Buying it was an event! My father spent hundreds of dollars before every year in college buying records with his friends with the money they'd saved over the summer. I know that once the technology exists, it's only a matter of time before it's used, but I still think it's disgusting.

You know what it's like? It's like a website that offers prints of artwork, and you fuckin' print it out on your own and hang it on your wall. A smaller size and you don't get the nice poster quality, but it's all about the picture, right? It's there, so why not just take it? There's no need to pay that artist/person/company for their work. So so wrong. I hate it. And really, anyone who burns entire CDs I don't care who they are, I lose respect for those people.

And Chris, there's nothing wrong with making mix CDs for yourself with songs you already own or even individual ones you download if you don't like the rest of that artist's music.
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[ragingflea002]

Well said, Fallen. Wow..........
So, it's a comparison to plaigerism? I never thought of that.....
That was only based off the picture example.
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[fallenangel]

It just really really bothers me. I don't hate anyone who does it, of course, I have friends who copy CDs for each other all the time despite anything I say, but it's just so wrong. Maybe it's because music and musicians are such a huge part of my life I can't understand how people could think they're entitled to those people's lives for free. I know I wouldn't like it if people were printing out my art instead of paying me for it, regardless of if it was me getting the profits or not. Hell, I could have sold the rights to some company, and I'd still care whether people printed it themselves or bought a poster. And like I said, no it doesn't matter so much in the case of the Backstreet Boys or huge teen artists. It's still wrong, but it's not hurting their soundscans or profit, except in the case of it leaking before release. It's the fact people don't make the distinction between semi-harmless downloading of out of print things or extremely popular things and the smaller ones where it does matter whether you purchased a copy or not.

Good booklets, bonus gifts (like Aerosmith's really cool mini harmonicas with Honkin' On Bobo!), and Enhanced CDs are good ways to encourage people to buy it, and more groups should do that. Yeah, you can download the bonus stuff eventually, too, but it's nowhere near the quality of that on the CD no matter what you do. I've got exclusive interviews and Randy footage on the "Down to Earth" Ozzy CD, "Looks That Kill" video on Motley's Shout At the Devil, Bret Michaels's "Raine" video....a handful of others. Or maybe I'm just greedy and want more cool stuff because I always buy the albums (and will be buying Velvet Revolver's debut next Tuesday even though all the songs will be floating around within a few hours).
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[n8comics]

I rent CDs from the library and then burn them XD Of course, there's usually a bunch of really crappy CDs there, and the only good ones you have to place a hold on for about 4-6 months -.- I don't really see the problem with that, it's not like I sell them or anything. It's just for my use
Anyone burn DVDs? I'll bet atleast ONE of you do, I do atleast It's a good system, rent them for $1 a night at Warehouse Video or something and burn them ^_^ I suppose that's illegal right? Well I don't do it anymore... Atleast, not that I remember o_O

[ragingflea002]

Enhanced CDs are expensive to make, though.

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[fallenangel]

Yeah, I know. But they're damn cool. I don't think cheaper prices will make any more people purchase the CDs when downloading is free. It's pretty obvious a lot of people aren't exactly bothered by being thieves. So I figure add a bit to the price and make it worth it.
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[Ambush347]

I burn cd's all the time and I have no regrets. I do try to go into small music shops and look for a couple of cd's I'm trying to find but most of the time when they can't be found I'll just download the music of the net and make it into a cd. And I do a damn good job too so that it sounds almost the same as if it were store bought. The problem is when I'm looking for a cd and see it at a place like HMV for 30$ I say f**k that. Those bastards are trying to rob you and I won't be ripped off like that, I don't care how good a cd is.

When I can find a good cd I'm looking for at a fair price however sometimes it is really worth buying it rather than downloading it because of bonus DVD's of the band on tour or stuff like that which makes it worth it for me. Most bands make a ton of money simply touring and pirating won't be stopping anytime soon or ever for that matter so people just need to get used to it.

[fallenangel]

Very true, but stealing of any kind will never stop. Still doesn't make it right. Art thieves will never stop. The FAC abuse team will never stop getting reports. But that doesn't mean those people are right just because they [i]can[/i] steal.


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[ragingflea002]

Only way a band won't have music illegally downloaded is if it completely sucks.
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[Papercut_Dragon]

If I hear a song on the radio that I like, I'll download song from the CD that the single came from to see if I like it. If I do, the chances are I'll like the rest of the CD, so I go buy it. If I don't think I'll like the CD, then I just leave it alone. I would rather have the real copy, for the booklet and special features and the better quality. Plus, downloading is a pain. I have dial-up, so it takes a little over half an hour per song and it slows down my computer.
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[fallenangel]

A few of my friends try to blow it off as "I'm only downloading it to see if I like it!" but they must take a long time to decide, because they never do go out and buy them but those burned copies sure do get played a lot. <_< And with sites like bestbuy.com there's no need to download the whole songs. If you can't tell if you like it within thirty seconds, that's rather sad.
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