Biggest Poser In Rock

iamem0tionless · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:21 am Post subject:

First off, I don't believe in the whole "goth", "poser", "Punk", ect. labeling system. I think it's completely stupid. Secondly, I don't care if they're posers or what the f**k ever they are. I like their music, and that's it. I do like Good Charlotte's music, I do like Avril Lavigne's music. Hell, I like every band you have listed on there. Is that supposed to make me a poser? No, because I like what I like and I don't care if you have a problem with it.

I do see what you mean with how their lyrics talk about wanting to die and all that crap. Thing is, they're trying to make money. Right now, that's the thing most teenagers want to hear. Don't ask me why, it just is (for the group they're trying to reach, anyway). Did you ever think that maybe she had little hardships that you don't know about? Just because someone's life looks like it's great doesn't mean it is. She could be having a hard time with something and maybe that's her release, who are you to judge?

I write poems and lyrics with stuff about wanting to die sometimes. That's how I cope with my anger and/or sadness. Does that make me a poser? If so, good, I'm glad I am. You can go suck yourself off for all I care if you want to call me that. I'm so tired of reading about this whole poser thing. Everywhere I go now, I hear someone calling someone else a poser, whether it's someone famous or some kid I don't even know.

I say you think twice before you judge someone on their lyrics. Hell, if I was getting paid millions to write sad things even though I was happy, would I do it? Hell yeah I would. It's not like I'm hurting myself or anyone else by doing it, so why not? Now that I've finally had my input on this topic, I'll shut up.

ragingflea002 · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:06 am Post subject:

Allow me to rephrase a few things.
People who like the music aren't necessarily posers.
The lyrics, this is a interesting one. This is the one topic that I hate to comment on.
I was talking about the people who write the lyrics, make millions of dollars, walk around with big smiles, hot women/men, and write more lyrics regarding wishing to die. I write stuff like that, too, but I'm not going to go in front of an audience and scream into the mike, "No one loves me!!" because I know it's not true. I have a girlfriend and a loving family. I just feel like it sometimes.
Me judging the lyrics is coming from me thinking twice. We're talking about major record deal Hollywood bands. The people who sell the image, expecting others to adopt it. The people who are overusing the look itself. It's tiring and hard to take seriously.
All in all, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. However, genuine punk bands(ex. The Sex Pistols, The Misfits) had cooler lyrics, sounds and ideas. they made fun of the situation, not exaggerate the situation.
As for the "Who are you to judge?" question.....
We are the general public, we listen to the music, we analyze the lyrics, we're automatically the judges. If you don't like it, judge it. If you do, judge it. It works both ways. If we didn't judge, they would be out of business. Our judgements shape their paychecks.
Writing lyrics doesn't make you a poser. I write lyrics. Using the same subject over and over and over makes it tiring, but when you adopt the exact same look as another band, it shows no imagination.
My opinion on being paid million for songs that used to reflect your attitude, but don't anymore. It'll become like Avril's situation.
This is my opinion and my opinion alone.
Try not to be offended by it, I never mean to offend anyone.
I just have different opinions.

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iamem0tionless · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:51 am Post subject:

I'm not so much offended, I just think it's rather annoying. You don't know what someone's life is like. IT may seem nice, but it isn't always. I didn't mean "Who are you to judge" with the lyrics, I meant who are you to judge them as a person. There are those who do just do their best to make sure they fit all of the stereotypes of a certain group and those, sometimes I guess, are the ones considered posers because other people think they're making it up. I really don't care about whether or not they're "posers". That doesn't change me liking their music or buying their albums.

ragingflea002 · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:07 am Post subject:

And it never should. This is only an opinion. However, I do my research on these people before I say this stuff and I wouldn't say it otherwise if I hadn't. Some of this is based off of actual comments by the artist.
As for life not always being nice, my mom is halfway dead, so I can sympathize with that.
It depends if you like the people they pose. If they pose Nirvana, for example, and suck, I'm pissed. If they pose The Misfits and they're better than the original, it's okay.
Again, they wanted to be rich and famous. We're at liberty to judge them.
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johnnyissick · Newb Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 3

I agree... all GC is good for is the skinny man. he [i]is[/i] pretty. but 3 days and blink arn't. blink has been around forever and have just played for who they are. not trying to be punk. and 3 days grace... they are just some kids who got a fucked up life and decided to sing about it as a way to vent. no harm. not posers.

iamem0tionless · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:54 am Post subject:

I still say it's wrong to judge them as a person, even though most people judge others as it is. As for your 'information', you still don't know them in person, and therefore, you still can't confirm what you say about them is totally true. Whatever, it shouldn't matter to me. I've never been one of those fans that cares to know about the people in the band. For me, it's all about whether or not I like the music.

ragingflea002 · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:59 am Post subject:

They shattered their real life when they became famous. Now it's all tabloids and articles about how they act and look. That's the price for becoming famous on that scale, you have no privacy. Eventually, everyone will know who you are, where you live, and what you really are like. This is why some movie stars have doubles.
I don't want to imagine a life without privacy. It's a frightening prospect.
I like it usually if the solos don't sound like they were peiced together by an audio sampler.
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fallenangel · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:12 pm Post subject:

You know how you can tell they're all going along with a trend? Because they all look the same! I find it very hard to believe all these kids are just "being who they are", and they all just happen to be alike. Yes, that's partially because labels sign artists that fit the current trends, but at the same time they take those artists and dress them up to sell. Look at Avril's high school photos! She's grinning like a giddy little teenybopper and has braids. That skater punk thing is a very new development for cash.

And like I said before, just because someone follows a trend doesn't mean they're not good artists. On some level you have to in order to be heard by enough people, unless you're an amazingly groundbreaking artist. However, this current generation has no talent. The biggest artists of our time are the likes of Britney Spears and Nsync who don't write their own music, write very small amounts of their lyrics (NOTE for all those who look at writing credits and think "awww look! She cowrote that one!" That usually means the artist sat there and nodded while a pro wrote the lyrics. Maybe decided if they liked a couple rhymes. It rarely means they truly cowrote it if they'd never written a song before), and ultimately aren't in charge of their careers. At least a lot of past trends involved people who conformed to talented trends. Glam metal was a trend, but some of the most talented guitarists and vocalists and writers came from that era. I don't see any of those these days. They're all American Idol average at best.

If you like them, more power to ya. You can like all the crap you want. It's personal taste, and if you prefer music that doesn't require talent, woohoo. But you should at least be able to recognize that they're all posing for the cameras and trying to get your money. It used to be about getting a record deal so you could afford to eat and get your music out to millions of people. Now it's not even their music, and they're doing it for the paycheck.
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ChrisFox · Has No Life Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 637

Avril used to sing country music before she went to 'punk.' Yay for living by the all mighty dollar, caring not for the music.. bah.

People aren't seemingly talented in this era, probably because of live shows declining. Television tells people what's "hip" and what to buy. It's a lot cheaper to mass produce things on television than it is for people to travel around giving them kick-ass experiences. People can just sit on their asses like zombies as more and more crap is shoved into their minds via television. They're unable to tell for themselves what's good anymore because of it. The big corporations brainwash society so their pockets can feel a little heavier.. it really is quite sad..
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iamem0tionless · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject:

Do I care if they follow a trend? No. Yes, I've heard that about Avril tons of times, I don't really care. I like pretty much every type of music, I don't have a fixed thing on what I like. I'm not saying they're being who they are, I actually stated they're doing their best to fit into the little mold so that the kids'll like them them now-a-days. It's your opinion that they're talentless (though I'm sure you know this), but it may not be everyone elses. Do I think all of these artists are super talented? In their own way, sure, but not as much as most of the other artists out right now. I know a girl who has this beautiful voice. She doesn't sing like Britney Spears or someone from a rock band, she sings classical music. I think that's talent, but hey, that's just me.

fallenangel · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:56 pm Post subject:

Um...it's not really just my opinion. Maybe talent was the wrong word, is skill a better one? They have extremely small amounts of technical skill at their craft. Now I'm not saying you have to in order to be good, of course not, look at the origins of punk and such, but current artists aren't creating a new rebellious type of music that relies on creativity instead of musical skill. They're looking at the Ramones and Sex Pistols and thinking "Dude, that's cool! I can play three power chords! I could be a punk rock star! AWESOME!"

Britney Spears has a horrible voice (skill wise, not personal preference). That's a fact. She doesn't "sing". Most classical singers are better than she is, their voices just don't fit into pop music. Vocalists have taken almost has bad of a plunge as guitarists have. Their range, strength, and personality are declining more and more. There's a couple out there who, despite the fact their material is poor, are alright, but the youth of today apparently doesn't want skilled singers. (again, being a great singer isn't needed, but since most of them are singing other people's words...they have nothing to back it up with. If you're a great writer and a so-so singer, fine, great, you don't need to be Sinatra. But if you're only job is to sing the words....)

Again, not saying they're bad. I just personally don't like them, and I know that's my personal opinion. But their technical skills are severely lacking.
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CheetahSmith · Rookie Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 38

And I just so happen to like Avril Lavigne's music... Would she be a poser if she actually wrote most of her songs? She's only writing about experiences that has happened to her. And not all of her music is angry or depressing. "My World" is an upbeat rock song about growing up in small towns, fiddling with hair when you're bored, and mowing lawns. "Anything but Ordinary" is a message about being eccentric and living life just outside the lines. "Who knows" is a song about being yourself. And "Slipped Away" was written in memory of her grandfather. To me, that's not poserism. Sure, you may think I'm biased because I just so happen to like her music. (And I think she's good looking as well. She looks more natural than that of... Britney. And I would have to agree to a certain degree about "Complicated" and "Sk8ter Boi" appearing in the radio all of the time. Make room for some of her other songs please!)

I have voted "other", because I think Britney Spears is actually a huge poser. Near the same time as she started her so-called "Music Career", the Spice Girls were around. The Spice Girls, whom of which I'm a very loyal fan of, had the world by storm at the time, and the living Barbie Doll herself came into the picture, and stole the limelight with her "dying cow noises". N*Sync and others came along as well...

Another poser band, that I actually used to LIKE (I shudder when I think about it) is O Town. They basically copied N*Sync, who had no talent, and well, sounded like any other boyband. Thank god I don't really care for them anymore. Buncha pretty boy posers. Good thing they disappeared after their first album.

Just my two cents.

ChrisFox · Has No Life Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 637

I dunno, I think to really be passionate and care for the music, or anything in general, you listen to you have to do at least a little research. The more you know about a particular artist/genre/style the better. It's different to hear a song on the radio or television and say "hey that's a cool song" or whatever, but to completely live by everything the media throws out at you kind of takes away any point the artist had in making it (provided they had one to start with.. other than money). That's why I'm a huge fan of independant bands, you have to dig to find 'em.
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fallenangel · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:15 pm Post subject:

You realize the Spice Girls were a put together band.

Basically a boyband with boobs. Just sayin'... I highly doubt it was Britney's fault they didn't survive. More like internal tensions between them and the fact they were a slight novelty act.

And being or not being a poser isn't all about the music. It's about the artist themselves. Avril tries very hard to appeal to a pseudo "punk" crowd. That's being a poser. Nothing to do with the music. Some of the best artists in the world can be posers and still be awesome. We're not saying poser is negative in all cases, just that they are.

Hell, I'll happily admit half my favorite bands were complete posers. They thought Motley Crue and Hanoi Rocks and Van Halen were cool, hopped a greyhound to LA, saw what was happening on the Sunset Strip and loaded up on eyeliner and spandex. It was fun, it was a party, everyone wore loud clothes and played loud music because it was new and cool and different. And a lot of them were extremely skilled musicians, either in writing, performing, and/or playing. BUT some of them are now not posers because they continue to be true to what they are. They know they're long haired party bands, and they continue to be such. However, then there's ones that are posers through and through. Bon Jovi, for example, are complete and always have been complete posers. They cut their hair, changed their sound, and deny their past to appeal to whatever's current. Posers. One reason I can't stand 'em.
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject:

Avril is a poser, through and through. She just tried too hard to be someone she isn't. She uses wires when she skates. Her lyrics are too depressing to be true. Kurt Cobain didn't even have lyrics that depressing. And he killed himself.
I also saw her on the Late Show w/Dave Letterman. I saw her new Fender Telecaster and I watched her fingering. She shouldn't need 2 other guitarists in that damn band. Her fingering didn't even match the music. Entire song was eighth notes, and she's strumming whole notes with screwed up chords. She only needs one guitarist. The other one is just a pretty boy she likes.
The new CD is called "Under My Skin", and I don't think it's going to be unique in any way except for the fact that it was made by a 19 year old.
She just doesn't appeal to most of us.
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Shazz-chan · Newb Joined: 30 May 2004 Posts: 5

hmmm.....If you're talking about poser as in fake then I'd say Avril, but I suppose she's never claimed to be punk(as far as I know)so whatever.
However, if you're talking about a flat out 'I bum myself' sort of poser then I'd say Ville Valo, lol.