spilt from Evanescence topic

[ragingflea002]

[quote]i understand that, but i cant use his band in an example? thats [i]all[/i] he is doing.

and none of what you are saying is justifying bashing emos and punks and any music you just dont like. yeah, i hate rap to, but i would perfectly respect some newb posting off tupac lyrics in his sig, just because it brings me no harm.[/quote]
I use it as an example because it's the first thing on my mind. I have band practice today.
I can use other local bands as examples, but it's pointless. It's the same point that's been established.
I don't advocate the bashing of emos and punks and stuff, but if they haven't worked hard enough, I will not respect them.

[fallenangel]

Why bash them? Oh I dunno....because they're crappy bands? If this hasn't been shown enough times in this thread alone, you haven't been paying attention and were just looking for an argument.

The point with evanescence is that they're crap...because they're a computerized product. They themselves as people and a band, not the little chunk of plastic you stick in your cd player. They can't recreate the music in a live setting, the production made it. So to say "THEY'RE SO GOOD" isn't true. They're only as good as they can play live. They had no input in whatever the production does to it, a separate technichian runs all the controls on that end.

And why bash them? Because I can. Because it's true. Because the "I like them" threads are one step above spam. And if any fans were capable of forming an intelligent opinion...there might someday be a dynamic discussion like there have been in threads about more respectable artists. Back and forth, pro and con. Just a shame that flea and I have all these cons, but there's never any pros besides "I luv dem so much".
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[unfocused]

[quote="Brianhjh"]I think someone's trying to see if they win just one fight by starting a whole shitload of them, each of them totally unneeded and unwanted.



Gotta reward persistence.[/quote]

i gots [i]my[/i] reward no more spam, son, do that in your anime section

i've never liked bashings, but it happens all the time now, with fallen leading them. and its never really about the bands, its about getting your rocks off by making newbies squeel, i agree its fun, but it can be done in private, it should never have to be dragged through the forums.

edit: i mean bashing members, lol.






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[size=18]Fallen, herself, wrote fact vs opinion 101[/size] so why go off on the kids as if they're saying what they are saying is true?

[cstdenis]

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[Brianhjh]

[quote][quote]I think someone's trying to see if they win just one fight by starting a whole shitload of them, each of them totally unneeded and unwanted.



Gotta reward persistence.[/quote]

i gots [i]my[/i] reward no more spam, son, do that in your anime section

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So telling you to stop pointless fights presumably started by your inferiority complex to pretty much everything that Fallen consists of is spam?

Jesus Christ, who do you think you are? you don't own the forum, you're supposed to, i dunno, keep things like your Hoshi's location off the forum. Don't make stuff up so you can just delete and not deal with it.

ya know, your arguing style is EXACTLY like DF. Neither of you can stay focused on one topic. And both of you seem to think that untalked matter is easier to handle than the ones being discussed right now so you keep segwaying yourself to see what happens if the topic changed. Evanescence became what vs. what? Drop your excuses and empty euphemisms, (fah, son?) it's not working. It [i]doesn't make[/i] yourself look like a sort of a omnipotent forum elder, a perception you are hopelessly trying to achieve.
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[fallenangel]

Times when I agree with Brian scare me.

And...since when have I not liked arguing pointlessly in this section? It's been going on since before James joined...before most joined. When flea and sixx were posting at the same time, then we had some of the best threads that have ever been posted in this section. Delightful.

I argue with the kiddies because there's nothing else. I wouldn't bother on other forums where there's plenty of good topics. I don't annoy saviors when there's perfectly good pocket holder threads to post in. But this is one case where "if you want to talk about something, start a thread" won't help, unless there's some hidden Tuff fans lurking around. So. I make due with what there is.

And sorry James, it is about the music. I don't care who posts the opinion, it's generally not newbs. I've argued with Flea and Tyler before. Doesn't matter. The only time it's kiddies is the neverending repeat threads. Evanescence, MCR, and Linkin Park a couple years ago but it seems their popularity has faded.
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[unfocused]

blah blah blah whut?

stop spamming, despite what denis posted, its still a valid debate, a valid debate with NO insults. learn from us.

you didnt come here to tell us to stop the fighting, you came here to insult me, again. i havent said a single word to you in months, yet you seem to peek your head out from everywhere and target [i]me[/i].

check you PM's

[unfocused]

[quote="fallenangel"]Times when I agree with Brian scare me.

And...since when have I not liked arguing pointlessly in this section? It's been going on since before James joined...before most joined. When flea and sixx were posting at the same time, then we had some of the best threads that have ever been posted in this section. Delightful.

I argue with the kiddies because there's nothing else. I wouldn't bother on other forums where there's plenty of good topics. I don't annoy saviors when there's perfectly good pocket holder threads to post in. But this is one case where "if you want to talk about something, start a thread" won't help, unless there's some hidden Tuff fans lurking around. So. I make due with what there is.

And sorry James, it is about the music. I don't care who posts the opinion, it's generally not newbs. I've argued with Flea and Tyler before. Doesn't matter. The only time it's kiddies is the neverending repeat threads. Evanescence, MCR, and Linkin Park a couple years ago but it seems their popularity has faded.[/quote]

simply closing a thread you dont like would stop the bashing altogether. arguing and breaking a newbs spirits are two different things, lol.

[fallenangel]

Now why would I want to close a thread that doesn't break any rules?

If I closed all the threads I don't like...95% of these boards would be closed.

Besides, in this case, I'm arguing with you. And my completely valid arguments are hardly as bad as y'all's outright n00b bashing in the other forums.
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[unfocused]

when have i ever bashed a newb?

[Kitzy]

Wow, I read through these arguments and all I read was
Blah blah blah I hate popular bands blah they're stupid blah blah off topic stuff blah blah argue.

This is lame. I was discussing why I like a few Evanesence songs. WHY I like them, not just 'I like them'.

Why can't you let it go that just because you think they're fake, it doesn't mean other people do as well. What you're resorting to is just telling people that they have no taste in music. If sounding good live was really a deciding factor to make it, then most bands wouldn't exist...that includes older and indies bands. Just because something is popular doesn't give reason to hate it.

People will listen to what they like and can relate to. Some people listen to music that is mostly just random shouting and puking noises. If -they- believe it's good and they like it, why not let them like it? You're not going to change their opinion.

I have listened to a few Evanesence songs, and I like the ones that are ambient, like October. I also like some of the others, such as Bring Me To Life, Before the Dawn and My Immortal.

My Immortal, it's a pretty song. Easy to sing and a catchy tune.
Before the Dawn is a very sweet sounding song. Dark and sweet.
Bring Me To Life is upbeat in a sort of weird emotional twist.
October is mostly just calm, and I like that fact.

There, I've explained why I like the songs, so there's no reason to argue about that.

I could easily say I hate Fallout Boy because they're just established as the new Simple Plan, and the other reasons, such as the fans who listen to it - they shouldn't have anything to do with my argument, seeing as people all have different tastes. I listen to many tpyes of music, many singers, and still Amy Lee's singing appeals to me.
At least, a whole lot more than some other singers who supposedly sing well (Shakira, Nelly Furtado).

I think that's about all I have to say for now.
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[Red_Quatre]

*sniff Sniff* I still like Evanescence no matter what you turds say. I think Amy Lee's purty. Atleast she doesn't try to sell sex like most of the other female (and some male) singers out there.
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[fallenangel]

For some reason I expected more from Kitzy. Oh well.

You've completely missed the point, but...I can't say any more than is already up there.

I love when people accuse me or Flea or anyone of hating popular bands, though. Led Zeppelin...Black Sabbath...Rolling Stones...are more popular, more skilled, and will be more famous than the likes of Evanescence can ever hope to be, so "popularity" is a non issue.

I don't care if you're saying you like them, why you like them, or how every note from every song sensually massages your soul, IT'S NOT THE POINT. And it does not in any way counter any statements not about like or dislike. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME NOT LIKING THEM FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

But...when presented with things that apparently can't be argued with, judging from flea and I's track record...I guess the only thing left to do is get pissy and defensive.
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[Kitzy]

So, exactly what point were you trying to make, then?
If you made it clear there'd be no argument.


[quote]For some reason I expected more from Kitzy. Oh well. [/quote]
What, you think less of me because I have a different point of view on this? Explain.


If it wasn't about you liking them or not liking them, you must only come in here to argue with others.
May as well make statements like this in every board in the music forum.
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[unfocused]

Fallen, kitzy just gave you what you wanted. you've been saying the reason you bash in here is because people only ever say they like a band but dont give reasons to why.

she just did :/ so now you're just whining and its showing. she gave you what you've been wanting, now back off, you're wrong and she is right.

period.
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[fallenangel]

No, I don't care why people like them. It doesn't matter because LIKE and GOOD/SKILLED are two different things. What I want is someone to be able to defend why these artists are good/skilled, NOT reasons for liking them.

All people do...is talk about liking them. YIPEE. I don't care, nor do I expect anyone else to care what I like. Yes, I do just come in here to argue. But it wouldn't be an argument if people were capable of competent discussion like Flea, Tyler, Sixx, etc.

My point was that Evanescence is not a good/skilled band, which I have made perfectly clear. What seems to be misunderstood is that you cannot counter this with "I <3 teh way she sings" or "their songs make me feel warm and fuzzy" or "I lyke teh deep songz0rz". It can be countered with examples of equal or greater merit unrelated to liking them. There's multiple examples in the thread that...was pinned, the hell did it go. So...if it's pointed out that their music is over produced...you can't say "but I lyke it!", but concrete examples of them living up to it live is good.

That's how you discuss music. That's how any respectable music forum works. You'll never see people bickering about "Poison suxxorz" "uh uh! I <3 dem n lick their ballz". Examples. For instances. Things that have no relation to like or dislike.

And in 3 years....there's only been a handful of people who have been able to grasp this simple concept.

[quote]What, you think less of me because I have a different point of view on this? Explain.
[/quote]

No, I expected you to be able to understand the simple difference between like/dislike and skilled/unskilled. My bad on that one.


James, seriously, get the hell out of this forum section if you aren't going to contribute anything except misinformation and slapping your cyber cock around. You follow this forum once every few months and then waltz in trying to start an argument with people who actually know what they're talking about. Most of the off topic nature was started by you (and admittedly continued by Flea and I, but you were just dead wrong about so many things and insisted I keep posting it in the forums instead of correcting you in IM).

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Ok, maybe here's an example people can finally grasp. The movie forum. Do you see every thread full of "OMG I LOOOOOOOVE BREAKFAST CLUB!!!!!!". NO. The PotC thread, for example, is exactly how threads in this forum should work for them to not be worthless spam. Some people liked the movie, some people didn't. Some people thought it was a high quality movie, others didn't. And ALL gave reasons. Debated the other side's reasons.

And I've never understood why people can't apply this to the music forum and insist on whining about what they like. The old Linkin Park fans were more sensible.
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[unfocused]

this doesnt need to be locked if you just keep from blowing your lid off. we can discuss this civilized.

and this topic was made as a question and a poll. not a debate. you turn every music topic into a debate just to prove someone wrong, and you say I swing cyber cocks around?

it all comes down to this being a music forum for people to talk about music. And thats what these members try to do. you... maybe you dont bash members, but you sure do start EVERY SINGLE FIGHT IN THE MUSIC FORUM.
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[fallenangel]

And you would know this how?

I locked this because it will inevitably be bullshit no matter what, and since this seems to be an issue YOU have with ME, there is no need for a topic about it. If that's all you wish to discuss.
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