You think PS3 is too much money too buy one

Alpha_zero · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:26 am Post subject:

About the 'experience', alot of people will opt for the PS3 and Xbox 360 simply because of the wider games range. While Nintendo present a wholw new approach towards gaming, the 360 and PS3 retain favourites, such as Halo, GTA, and others which can't really be converted onto Wii.

Not that microsoft are willing to give up Halo.

Nate06 · Very bored Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: L.A.

I went with the 360. I will most definately have to agree with you, Alpha_Zero. They do have a lot of popular titles put out to lure people to these new game systems. Of course what else would you expect.
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Alpha_zero · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:36 am Post subject:

I would expect Nintendo to bring back A) Old Classics or B)Create a range or briiliant first-time games that will be the sequels we will hopefully know and love by the time the next 'Console war; rolls by.

It's Nintendo's only hope.
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Nate06 · Very bored Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: L.A.

Yea. If they enhanced their old classic games people like die hard mario fans would love to buy a Wii. Its a good idea.
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anti_sk8r · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject:

[quote]I've never been much for graphics - sprites are still the best~ <3 Cel shaded stuff is pretty good, too, when done well. [/quote]
Agreed. That's why I tend to stray away from things that I find "too" 3D. I find it....intimidating? Anyway, I loved Dragon Quest 8, Tales of Symphonia, Wind Waker, The SNES Final Fantasy's, handheld Pokemon games. I'm afraid PS3 won't be able to do games like these anymore. Nice, simple but beautiful graphics.

BTW, I just picked up Soulcalibur 2 and Starfox Adventures for my Gamecube. Adventures isn't bad (i'm still trying to get Krystal out of the first dungeon Sad

. Soulcalibur is kickass. Link looks awesome in it. Smile

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Nate06 · Very bored Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: L.A.

well it all sounds so good for all three companies and their products.
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Fayore · Moderator Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 6195

[quote="anti_sk8r"]
I'm afraid PS3 won't be able to do games like these anymore. Nice, simple but beautiful graphics.[/quote]

I disagree; there's a huge number of games using sprites in Japan (and I know that there [i]will[/i] be some for the PS3, too~) on the PS2, and they're still making these. Unfortunately, most of these never made it over (including Tales of Rebirth, which is only a little over a year old!). But I suppose that that's because NA's gaming audience on the whole isn't interested in sprites. Every console-based forum I've been to always has multiple threads remarking/complaining on the specs of the consoles like it's a matter of life and death for them. :\

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anti_sk8r · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:54 am Post subject:

Well, the thing is this: PS3 is all about power. Simple. That's the first thing you think about when PS3 comes into the picture. Maybe i'm not getting your point but to imagine the most powerful next-gen system utilizing sprites as the main graphical format in any kind of game seems kind of...awkward? Confused

In any case, use of sprites on a PS3 game won't indicate anything other than laziness on the developer's part unless used sparingly. Use of sprites is something that is generally frowned upon (atleast in North America). Like the DS and PSP. They have the power to do 3D so when games that use sprites make it over here they generally don't get reviewed too well. In fact, old sprited favourites are returning in 3D just so people can play *roughly* the same game without feeling like being cheated out of their money. New Super Mario Bros, Megaman: Powered Up, Final Fantasy III DS. The list goes on.
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Fayore · Moderator Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 6195

Indeed. It's the same like that for the PS2, lol. I've played loads of Japanese PS2 games that use sprites - and like I said before, most of them never made it to NA.

And I sincerely doubt that sprites would indicate laziness; in fact, I find it's more often the other way around. Take the Final Fantasies, for example. HUGE emphasis on the graphics. But when it comes to storylines and characters? I've yet to hear someone claim that FFX's storyline is better than that of FF6 or FFT. Also, I've noticed that sprites are generally the staple of SRPGs.

And actually, some of the only PS2 sprite games in NA are also some of the highest ranking when it comes to reviews. lol, Disgaea.

Well, in the end, I can probably see it because 1. I play mostly imported games in the first place, so I'm not resticted to only having experience with NA games, and 2. I already know a game that's coming out that uses sprites, lolol. 8D

And people who play/like a game solely on graphics should be shot. Twice. >8( (Yet another reason why I don't pay attention to most game reviews - most people are way too biased for me to care what they think. :[)

anti_sk8r · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

[quote]And I sincerely doubt that sprites would indicate laziness; in fact, I find it's more often the other way around. Take the Final Fantasies, for example. HUGE emphasis on the graphics. But when it comes to storylines and characters? I've yet to hear someone claim that FFX's storyline is better than that of FF6 or FFT. Also, I've noticed that sprites are generally the staple of SRPGs.[/quote]
I was going to talk about this kind of thing in my last post but I didn't want to make it too long. Anyway, ya. I agree with you that focusing solely on graphics can hurt the gameplay. Example: FFX.

What I think you might be missing, however, is this: on a system like PS3 there is no reason that you can't have a pretty game and great gameplay. Some, no, MOST of the best RPGs ever are sprited. But by this generation we should be able to have beautiful 3D graphics and an amazing (original) story with great gameplay.

Think Pokemon. Bad graphics. They just. Aren't. Good. But what keeps us coming back is the stories. The thrill of catching your favourite Pokemon. Beating Gym Leaders. Disbanding Team Rocket/Aqua/Magma. C'mon. We all like to beat the crap out of our rival at every other route. Pokemon is an awesome example of how gameplay > graphics. But by this gen we should be seeing some truly awesome Pokemon that actually make sounds other than a garbled beeping noise in the middle of a battle.
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[quote] But by this gen we should be seeing some truly awesome Pokemon that actually make sounds other than a garbled beeping noise in the middle of a battle.[/quote]
Confused

I thought they already had their own sounds an' stuff in the newer games. Ah, well, that's Nintendo's business anyway.

[quote]But by this generation we should be able to have beautiful 3D graphics and an amazing (original) story with great gameplay. [/quote]
The same could be said about the PS2's generation. :\ Besides, sprites have a certain charm to them - I have a hard time seeing 3D make something actually [i]funny[/i]. 3D delivers a more serious atmosphere than the -usually- cartoony or anime-esque sprites pull off.

But whatever. You gaise can have your graphically-oriented two-bit (lol, a funny! 8O) games. I'll be happy with my flaming imported sprites, thanks. 8D

[quote]We all like to beat the crap out of our rival at every other route.[/quote]
[size=8]Actually, I just liked to hear his theme music (in RBY, anyway). Sometimes I'd just leave the game running just so I could listen to it. 8D[/size]

anti_sk8r · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:

[quote] I thought they already had their own sounds an' stuff in the newer games. Ah, well, that's Nintendo's business anyway.[/quote]
Nope. They've re-used the same sounds ever since R/B/Y.
[quote]The same could be said about the PS2's generation. :\ Besides, sprites have a certain charm to them - I have a hard time seeing 3D make something actually funny. 3D delivers a more serious atmosphere than the -usually- cartoony or anime-esque sprites pull off.[/quote]
That's exactly what i've been saying. By now we should have awesome graphics and awesome gameplay. Yet, this is still a rarity. And while sprites do have a certain "charm", I find the same thing in most Cel-Shaded stuff. Tales of Symphonia and Wind Waker showed a lot of sprite-like anime-esque emotion.
[quote]You gaise can have your graphically-oriented two-bit (lol, a funny! 8O) games. I'll be happy with my flaming imported sprites, thanks. 8D[/quote]
Sad

I'd side with you if it weren't for my hatred of feeling stuck in the past.
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Stratadrake · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject:

[quote]But by this gen we should be seeing some truly awesome Pokemon that actually make sounds other than a garbled beeping noise in the middle of a battle.[/quote]
Pokmon Stadium / Stadium 2 used remixed versions of those sounds, but the GBA... nope.
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anti_sk8r · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:32 am Post subject:

I couldn't tell.
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Nate06 · Very bored Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: L.A.

I still think PS3`s a bit out of my price range.....
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