The Black Parade is Album of the Year

MedalMask · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject:

[quote]9_9 You know, people say MCR sucks, and I can understand that they say that because it doesn't appeal to their opinion, but in the end MCR is talented.

And you know it, bitches. D=[/quote]
I stand with Fallen on what she said.
MCR isn't talented, and that's not by our opinion, it's the truth.
They first of all look liek crap, and second of all, they sound like crap. Their theme is stupid.
ehh, but don't go by me.
Fallen can say my words in a sentance that makes sense.
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fallenangel · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject:

I laughed when I read about the theme of Black Parade. It's like a really shitty indie video concept turned into a poorly constructed concept album.

People who have no depth whatsoever...probably shouldn't attempt concept work. Either be shallow and embrace how absolutely vapid you are, or have something remotely worth saying. Just because you write ten songs about the same thing doesn't make it a concept album.

Most concept albums are trash just because the underlying concept is bad. At least with a normal album the songs are usually hit and miss. If you come up with a bad concept from the beginning, every single track on that album is gonna suck.

And MCR's little "concept"...is very very dumb. The core [i]idea[/i] is certainly viable if done by actual talented people, but MCR have just done a pitiful attempt at concept work.
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WizardoftheWood · Has No Life Joined: 16 Oct 2005 Posts: 446

Hold up.
Have you actually listened to the album. I don't see how anyone can rag on an album if they've only heard the first single.

Zekk · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject:

[quote="WizardoftheWood"]Hold up.
Have you actually listened to the album. I don't see how anyone can rag on an album if they've only heard the first single.[/quote]

Own it. Want my damn money back, I coulda bout WOYIM with that.

Dezuki · Newb Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

[quote]MCR is not awesome. It fails. You fail to back yourself up.[/quote]
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[size=9]Bitch, please, I don't need to back myself up with something I choose to like. D:[/size][/color]

Dezuki · Newb Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

[quote]On the contrary, we know quite the opposite and have explained why many times.

You, on the other hand, appear to know nothing.[/quote]

[size=9][color=indigo]=_= Who needs to explain? Seriously. I love their music - it makes me wanna go insane and jump around. x3

That's great if I appear to know nothing, but I don't need your impression on me really. D= It's really pathetic how you're trying to start a pointless argument here.[/color][/size]

Dezuki · Newb Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

[quote]I stand with Fallen on what she said.
MCR isn't talented, and that's not by our opinion, it's the truth.
They first of all look liek crap, and second of all, they sound like crap. Their theme is stupid.
ehh, but don't go by me.
Fallen can say my words in a sentance that makes sense.[/quote]

[size=9][color=indigo]First of all, they don't have to look the part (although from my eyes, they all look incredibly sexy in a way xD)

I like their theme a lot. D: And the sound I think is really awesome. It has this ... really brilliant twist to it. The guitar and bass in it drives me insane (in a good way) and I think the drumming in it is really hardcore as well. Not to mention Gerard has great vocals.

No, I won't go by you, I'll go by me. Thank you. x3

Again, seriously, I'm mature enough to know that people are entitled to something called an opinion. =/ I'm not telling you to love MCR, or admit that they're awesome, but I think they're incredibly awesome. Very Happy

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Dezuki · Newb Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

[quote]I laughed when I read about the theme of Black Parade. It's like a really s**tty indie video concept turned into a poorly constructed concept album.

People who have no depth whatsoever...probably shouldn't attempt concept work. Either be shallow and embrace how absolutely vapid you are, or have something remotely worth saying. Just because you write ten songs about the same thing doesn't make it a concept album.

Most concept albums are trash just because the underlying concept is bad. At least with a normal album the songs are usually hit and miss. If you come up with a bad concept from the beginning, every single track on that album is gonna suck.

And MCR's little "concept"...is very very dumb. The core idea is certainly viable if done by actual talented people, but MCR have just done a pitiful attempt at concept work.[/quote]

[color=indigo][size=9]Do you even understand the concept? D=

x-x I don't get how all the songs are about the same thing ... it goes from being able to "carry on", to Mother War, to devastation, to brutality, to teenage angst, to tragic love, to forgiveness, to death ... yes, they all have that silhouetted message that refers to the concept of a "Black Parade", but they have there own unique messages too.

Eh ... well, whatever. ^_^ I love MCR.[/size][/color]

TK421 · Elder In Training Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 3711

[quote="Dezuki"]I'm not telling you to love MCR, or [b]admit that they're awesome[/b], but I think they're incredibly awesome. Very Happy

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Nobody can admit they are awesome, if they aren't. He is not trying to make you think they are crap, he is telling you the truth. Its his opinion but its also fact, they aren't awesome or even good, they are average at best.
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Dezuki · Newb Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

[size=9][color=indigo]Hee ... I adore AFI as well. x3 [/color][/size]

Dezuki · Newb Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

[quote]Nobody can admit they are awesome, if they aren't. He is not trying to make you think they are crap, he is telling you the truth. Its his opinion but its also fact, they aren't awesome or even good, they are average at best.[/quote]

[size=9][color=indigo]They ARE awesome. Very Happy

Oh please, don't even start with the whole truth thing. ^_^ My Chemical Romance is amazing, one of the very best in my book. Smile!

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ragingflea002 · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject:

[quote]
MCR isn't talented, and that's not by our opinion, it's the truth.
They first of all look liek crap, and second of all, they sound like crap. Their theme is stupid.[/quote]
Uh, no. It's your exclusive opinion.
I'm not a fan of MCR, mainly because of Gerard Way. However, after hearing the guitarist/bassist/drummer, I will say this: your remark about them not being talented is by no means fact, and you can't even argue that it is.
Their guitarist is on Slash's level. For some reason, the genre they're labelled as forces people to overlook this.
Their drummer is a bit below Travis Barker, but not by much.
Their bassist is roughly on Tim Commerford's level. He can keep it going.
That is not being talentless because those people are the band and if they all leave, the band is finished. Way can try and revive it all he wants, but in the end, you'll find Way is the least talented and the only reason people will listen, for the most part.
That, and MCR is beginning to sound more like a pop opera.
Is MCR of your taste in music? No. Are they talented as a whole? Yes. Is their theme stupid? Maybe, but that's your opinion.
For my two cents, I hate the song "Welcome to the Black Parade" along with most all of the MCR songs I've heard. Not my style. In fact, Way's voice annoys me and I wonder why such a talented rhythm section hasn't dumped him and tried to pick up another vocalist/lyricist.
You find that rhythm section another singer who doesn't have an annoying voice and original ideas, that band could be great.

Dezuki · Newb Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

[quote]Uh, no. It's your exclusive opinion.
I'm not a fan of MCR, mainly because of Gerard Way. However, after hearing the guitarist/bassist/drummer, I will say this: your remark about them not being talented is by no means fact, and you can't even argue that it is.
Their guitarist is on Slash's level. For some reason, the genre they're labelled as forces people to overlook this.
Their drummer is a bit below Travis Barker, but not by much.
Their bassist is roughly on Tim Commerford's level. He can keep it going.
That is not being talentless because those people are the band and if they all leave, the band is finished. Way can try and revive it all he wants, but in the end, you'll find Way is the least talented and the only reason people will listen, for the most part.
That, and MCR is beginning to sound more like a pop opera.
Is MCR of your taste in music? No. Are they talented as a whole? Yes. Is their theme stupid? Maybe, but that's your opinion.
For my two cents, I hate the song "Welcome to the Black Parade" along with most all of the MCR songs I've heard. Not my style. In fact, Way's voice annoys me and I wonder why such a talented rhythm section hasn't dumped him and tried to pick up another vocalist/lyricist.
You find that rhythm section another singer who doesn't have an annoying voice and original ideas, that band could be great.[/quote]

[size=9][color=indigo]Umm ... okay. =D Yeah, I agree with you 90%.

That's only because I love the song and I actually really like Gee's voice. D= But yes, whatever you want to listen to, I don't care really.

--; I don't get how some people think that their opinion is like some commandment from God. Why can't you let people like what they want? O_o[/color][/size]

Zekk · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wafg6agSiM

Educate yourself. Or look up rachel stamp or placebo.

Dezuki · Newb Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

[quote]Educate yourself. Or look up rachel stamp or placebo.[/quote]
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How lame, especially knowing the musical opinion is judged by [b]PREFERENCE[/b] and not [b]EDUCATION[/b][/size][/color]

Zekk · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject:

[quote="Dezuki"][quote]Educate yourself. Or look up rachel stamp or placebo.[/quote]
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How lame, especially knowing the musical opinion is judged by [b]PREFERENCE[/b] and not [b]EDUCATION[/b][/size][/color][/quote]

Yeah, but prefrence is changed by being expossed to decent bands.

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject:

#1. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOUR OPINION IS. No one cares what you like. No one cares what you don't like. No one cares what you listen to while you touch yourself and look at pictures of the faggy singer. No. One. Cares.

#2. You cannot discuss opinion. You can't debate opinion. All you can do is prattle on about what you like. Which, as established in #1, no one cares about. The ONLY reason people make threads asking what other people like is so that THEY have a reason to talk about what THEY like.

#3. Whether or not a band is skilled is not at all related to whether you like them or not. FAVORITE is very different than BEST/most skilled. They are your FAVORITE band, not the BEST band.

#4. If you're going to try to debate whether or not a band is skilled, have reasons OTHER than "I like it". "I like the way the singer sounds" is crap. And a cop out. Because it's only used by people who KNOW there's no way to argue that, so they think it makes them right. Wtf are you gonna say in response, "NO UR WRONG, U DUN LYKE IT!!!!". If you're going to try to debate the technical merit of a group, have logical, objective reasons. I don't agree with them, but at least Flea has some. See how he didn't say "I love how the guitarist plays!!!"?

#5. Yes I have heard the album. I hear a lot of garbage. Because you can't inform someone how bad something sucks without hearing it.

#6. All the songs ARE about the same thing, and I question whether you've even looked into the meaning of the album. Straight from the band's mouth, it's a concept album. A concept album MEANS, by its definition, that all the songs are about the same concept. All the songs on this little waste of plastic are about their idea of a "black parade". Which, as I said, is a poorly constructed concept and poorly executed on their part. That it NOT my opinion that I purely don't like it. The problem with it is, it's simply a shallow visual metaphor like everything else they do, pulled out of their ass because it sounds cool.

The reason you make a concept album is because you have a core idea that's SO complicated and SO great that you can't write one song to cover it. You need ten. A well thought out, carefully constructed idea conveyed through a collection of songs. MCR's concept is as badly conceived as their shitty music videos.

#7. ....can we all stop suggesting different bands to the people with terrible taste? Because they're not going to like them, and it just makes the people doing the suggesting look like tools. (and on the sidenote of Placebo, those boys have major technical problems. lol None of them can play very well, and are proud of it. Granted they've gotten a lot better in the last decade.)

#8. AFI. lolz Guy I work with used to see them all the time when they were a shitty "underground" band that no one knew. Said they were always terrible.

#9. The musicians in MCR are not that great. Certainly not to the level of the artists Flea compared them to. They're better than, say, Good Charlotte, but that's not saying much. It's not saying much, in fact, to say they're technically more skilled than most of what is huge right now. If the bar is so low, then of course they look better. I'd write a whole other novel about what's wrong with them, but you're the only one who would be able to respond, and I don't need to argue MCR with you.

#10. Dezuki, stop writing stories about the band having sex with each other. Just sayin'. You sound like one of the fans that do that sort of thing, and they've expressly asked people to stop it 'cause it's weird.

#11. You're also suspended for failing to even try to read the rules.

....My super powers sense that this thread will probably be a wasteland and in need of closing within 24 hours, but hey, I wasted five precious minutes of my life on those 11 points, might as well leave it open for awhile.
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject:

My final comments on this is that I've heard that guitarist and he needs to find another band in order to be appreciated. The one thing he does that I am impressed with is picking every note at a high speed. That takes skill, and I'm still working on that.
It's like Jeff Stinco of Simple Plan being able to sweep arpeggios. You just don't know why they don't do it in the band.
Or Tom Morello when he's simply raping his amplifier. Love RATM, like Audioslave, and the man is my hero, but he will use effects until you wish he'd stop. When he does, he gives most metal guitarists something to shit themselves over.
This MCR guitarist, whatever his name is, is technically excellent.
If he ever puts out a solo album, I'll be checking it out. From what I hear, he has some Van Halen/Petrucci influence.
I'm not convinced that my assessment of their guitarist is off, but I'm not a listener of the band itself. I've just heard what I've heard on the radio, and occasionally been forced to listen to.
Right now, I have pre-cal and a long day tomorrow bussing tables at Outback. Free meal at the end of my shift, though.

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject:

Lolz Outback. I was gonna say that's no place for an aspiring musician to bus tables, but then again...I haven't been in one in a long time. I just see all the band boys waiting tables at the Venice cafes here.

And if the guitarist has chops but doesn't use them in the band...well, he's already retarded for being in the band in the first place, and painfully retarded if he dumbs himself down in order to fit in.

MCR's one of those brat pack groups that ended up being picked up as the posterboys of a painfully bad trend, yeah? 'Cause bands that start out as friends...tend to do that. Your friends are not always the most appropriate band members.
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject:

[quote]Lolz Outback. I was gonna say that's no place for an aspiring musician to bus tables, but then again...I haven't been in one in a long time. I just see all the band boys waiting tables at the Venice cafes here.

And if the guitarist has chops but doesn't use them in the band...well, he's already retarded for being in the band in the first place, and painfully retarded if he dumbs himself down in order to fit in.

MCR's one of those brat pack groups that ended up being picked up as the posterboys of a painfully bad trend, yeah? 'Cause bands that start out as friends...tend to do that. Your friends are not always the most appropriate band members.[/quote]
Outback has its perks. The discount/free meals with training are some of them. Friday nights are not.
As far as the friends theory goes, for the most part, it's true. Fortunately, some bands, including my own, are formed on the basis of "hey, I'm looking for some great musicians and you guys are it" and the friendship is built there.
As far as MCR goes, I simply say that the guitarist should find another band and open up some.