What's with all the traces?

TropicofCapricorn · Newb Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 3

I was browsing a few categories and saw quite a few taces and edits, mostly by newbies. I thought those weren't allowed on here. When I commented, I got flames back. I'm not going to whine about people being mean, I just want to know for sure: Are traces and edits allowed on here or not? And if they aren't, why aren't the submission people cathing the ones that are submitted? Confused

TropicofCapricorn · Newb Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 3

Personally, I don't think they are allowed. Let me qoute a few paragraphs from the rules:

[color=blue]Because of this, we must furthermore require that you are the copyright holder (i.e. creator) of the work you submit to FAC. We cannot accept any submissions which are not your creation and copyright, or which otherwise violate the copyrights held by other artists over the work in question.

Having said that, we cannot allow any submissions of the following: ...

c. Any Use, Modification, or Inclusion of Copyrighted Official Art.
Digital art must be 100 percent an original creation and may not in any way incorporate copyrighted material (as described above). So-called "sprite comics"; "traces", "edits", or "recolors" of copyrighted material; "blends" "collages", and "montages" of multiple copyrighted images -- are also classified under this definition and cannot be allowed.

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e Copyrighted Work by Another Artist.
Attempting to impersonate another artist, or to misrepresent their work as your own, is acknowledged as a form of theft and shall be prosecuted. To a lesser degree, even if you "disclaim" the submission as the creation of another artist, even if you identify and link to the original artist who created the piece, we still cannot accept the submission simply because are not the copyright holder (i.e. creator) of the work and therefore have no rights to re-use that piece for a submission here. Similarly, this clause also extends to the use, modification, direct copying (such as "tracing"), or inclusion of other artists' material in your submission (in the same ways as modification or use of copyrighted Official Art) -- we can allow only artwork created by YOU.[/color]

If everyone had to agree to these rules when they signed up, why do people still do it?

kittyshootingstar · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:23 am Post subject:

Yeah, traces and edits aren't allowed on here, and yet I se them all the time. Sorry, I don't have an answer for you on why the submission moderators don't catch it.

Brianhjh · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject:

I allow traces, but not edits, even then, some people are on auto-approval, and they can pretty much submit anything without us noticing.

If they are tracing or editing, fuck them, this isn't about getting comment on their "gallery", it's about personal development. IF they so choose to get praise for things they haven't even done, let them have it, cuz they need a lot of those to become a failure in their later stage of the life.
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Stratadrake · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject:

If there are pictures or users in specific, PM a site staff member (I'm usually available) and we can take a look at it.
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Battou · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject:

Personally I feel it depends on how the trace is done, tracing your own pencil work is all fine and well ,That is pretty much a givin. But openly tracing screen caps is just wrong, if I can see that it's a screen cap, I don't like seeing them. If you can't tell, then I guess ignorance is bliss.

Some growth can be found in traces, it helps get a feel for the lines of a particular style, But it's of little use if you just continue tracing.

When I do drawings I do them freehand then trace then on the computer, that is why all my CG coloring has CG line work as opposed to the ink, paint or pencil you find in the galleries of the better artists. It's my own work I can trace it if I want to.

I'll be honest, I have traced a screen cap once and don't thikn I'll do it again, but that was only because I was in a hurry and I needed a quick referance. But even then you would never know by looking at it that a screen cap had anything to do with it. In am not too fond of tracing other peoples work though.

I am not an AP or any thing, I just felt like throwing in my two cents
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thedudedisturbed · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject:

sure, but they shouldn't post it and get credit for coming up with the idea
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Stratadrake · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject:

That's the reason why it's not allowed.

There is generally only [i]one[/i] context in which "tracing" or editing of another artist's work is allowed, that is in the case of collaborative works or "coloring book" style pics (where one artist specifically allows the other to color it in themselves).

So, again, if you see any traces or edits of official copyrighted artwork, notify a staff member (I'm usually available) so we can look into it.
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BlackPaint · Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject:

But what about if you don't trace a picture, but just look at it and draw it exactly the same? Wud that be considered tracing?
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Stratadrake · Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject:

Looking at a picture and drawing it yourself is fine, and in virtually all cases we can tell the difference between merely looking at it, and actually [i]copying[/i] it.
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