The Bible

unfocused · Moderator Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 6983 Location: Texas

well..........maybe you shut them all up?

Me, well, I don't believe the bible, I DO believe in God, tho. After going through the Christian phase, then the whole wiccan/pagan phase (which are pretty much all there is) I've decided that Christianity is the truer form of religion, it was the only one that put more in me than I put in [i]it[/i], wicca just had too much s**t you just had to buy, like herbs, gowns, daggers, and all that equaled broke. here's a picture of the dagger I bought (eh, had to be doubled edge)
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Zekk · Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 3:14 am Post subject:

[quote="Powtaz (Powtaz)"] is there any actual physical proof that any of that is real? [/quote]
Nt alot, surtently not enough to beleave it as much as some do*CoughtMyfamily,notmeCough*.

Fluffy123 · Newb Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 20

I love that joke in Red Dwarf
ha
go Jen

waywardmortal · Newb Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5

Jesus kicks ass with a 6pack and God rocks my face off.

Okay, so being Roman Catholic, I'm pretty Bible illiterate, but I think we can lend some credence to it, after all, that's why they've put the whole "it was the time of Johnah, son of Dan, great uncle of Benny, son of blah blah you get the point" to lend credence. If you were an obsessive freak, you could look up all that lineage, and believe me a lot of monks did.

However, the books of the Bible were written what, nearly 300 years after
Jesus died? yeah, they're probably not 100% accurate, but I think we get a pretty good gist, as far as the New Testament goes. Now the Old Testament is a little more obscurely documented and I think many of the teachings are heavily biased and maybe even outdated. Now the whole "love your neighbor" bit never goes out of style, but I think the "only Jews will go to Heaven, don't eat pigs, never marry outside your religion, Men rule women, God will burn all gays" stuff is merely a reflection of the taboos of the time, and are, all in all, out dated.

Eh, so maybe it's just my Catholicness talking, but getting all up tight about the Bible being homigosh absolutely perfect like woah kind of defeats the purpose of it's teachings. After all, wasn't Jesus like "Dude, just love God and your neighbor and it'll all be cool."

DragonicFlames, my lovely Christianity-basher, I happen to think Wicca is a beautiful religion, but it's so often heralded by ignorance. It saddens me.

thedudedisturbed · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject:

it wasn't that one person knew what hapenned, there were MANY witnesses.

the khoran is not considered a work of fiction either

[quote]Now the Old Testament is a little more obscurely documented and I think many of the teachings are heavily biased and maybe even outdated. Now the whole "love your neighbor" bit never goes out of style, but I think the "only Jews will go to Heaven, don't eat pigs, never marry outside your religion, Men rule women, God will burn all gays" stuff is merely a reflection of the taboos of the time, and are, all in all, out dated[/quote]

all the only jews go to heaven and don't eat pigs stuff ended when Jesus was crucified for EVERYONE...its says all that because it was written BEFORE the fact. since then, we've been given a choice, follow=heaven, or, no follow=hell

[quote]hehehe the funny thing about the bible is it's called the holy book
but it has rape, gang rape, incest, torture, murder and more in it
[/quote]

yes it has all that in it...it was talking about what the sinners were doing...soddom and gamora(no, i don't think that's spelled right)...the people in those cities...did some naughty things indeed...but they got owned...

[quote]The beginning of the Bible (the Garden of Eden story) was written so people back then could visualize how everything was created. As far as I know, that's the only fictitious part of the Bible. [/quote]
[quote]any monkey would know that it's fiction but you're not any monkey powtaz [/quote]

i believe it happened...why believe all that evolution bull?yousayin it doesn't make sense that an entity would create a bunch os stuff? and then say in a million years we'll have gills because we'll swim too much?

i guess it's all a matter of opinion...
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London · Moderator Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 6474

[quote]yes it has all that in it...it was talking about what the sinners were doing...[/quote]
What? Weren't there supposedly "good" people in the Bible who did things like.. marry their sisters, sleep with their daughters, and stone people to death for being open minded?

[quote]and then say in a million years we'll have gills because we'll swim too much? [/quote]
Who the bloody hell is saying [i]that[/i]? I've yet to meet someone who doesn't believe in evolution AND actually understands it.
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thedudedisturbed · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:44 am Post subject:

wwwwaaaaaaaayyyy, back then, it was okay to marry your sister, and as far as i know, there were NO supposedly good people who stoned others for being open minded, in the new testement, Jesus stopped one group about to stone someone saying "ye who hath not sinned, cast the first stone" and in that reply, i guess i made it sound like there were sinners and nonsinners...everyone sins....sorry about that

me understanding the basic principle is of evolution is no different than you thinking you understand the Bible, without even reading it, I, however, usually have to read about evolution every time i open a science book...and i didn't say that was a specific thing scientists were saying, it was just an example

so tell me, HAVE you read the bible
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London · Moderator Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 6474

It was a ridiculous "example," if you can even call it that, since it doesn't even follow the principles of natural selection.

You can't equate understanding evolution with understanding the Bible. Maybe evolution and Genesis, but not the entire Bible. I don't have to have read the Bible to understand how believers think the world and its creatures came to be, much like how you don't have to read The Origin of Species to understand evolution. If you do, in fact, have a sufficient grasp on evolution from school, then fine. It's just that the gaining gills from swimming thing is much more Lamarkian than it is Darwinism.

To answer you question, I've read Genesis in its entirety, read the more famous sections, and skimmed through the rest. Not much else to do on vacations on rainy days.
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thedudedisturbed · Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject:

sigh...good point...

im done debating, you win
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anti_sk8r · Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject:

[quote]It's all a matter of faith. If you believe in it, then you know it is true.[/quote]
Exact-fucking-ly. Thats what I was trying to say about Jeboba's Witnesses in the thread in Random.
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falkonns_flight · Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject:

First of all, this is SUCH a loaded question, and I don't have enough time in the day or week to write down a detailed explanation for you. First thing first, read the thing from cover to cover TWICE then complain about it. ANY critic MUST know their material before they can accurately defend or condemn it. This is a non-committal message, but for the love of Mike, people, learn to be open minded. There's too much in this world that you'll miss or never understand if you're not.

Oh, and just for the sake of arguing, if we evolved from monkeys, how come monkeys aren't still walking out of the forest on two legs going "Hey! This is cool! I'm finally human!"?
LOL.
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Silverfeather · Newb Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 9

[quote="anti_sk8r"][quote]It's all a matter of faith. If you believe in it, then you know it is true.[/quote]
Exact-f**king-ly. Thats what I was trying to say about Jeboba's Witnesses in the thread in Random.[/quote]

Exactly and everyone else stop making fun of it gosh

SilverKitsune · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:00 am Post subject:

It;s just a book of fiction written years and years ago.
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anti_sk8r · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject:

[quote]hehehe the funny thing about the bible is it's called the holy book
but it has rape, gang rape, incest, torture, murder and more in it[/quote]
I absolutely hate more than anything pertaining to religion when people use ^this^ to burn the bible. Sure, it has that shit but it doesn't [i]promote[/i] it. If you can't handle that sort of stuff than good luck reading just about any more mature novel these days. Hell, even self-help books have that stuff in it. Does it make it not a self-help book just because it talks about those things? No. Why the fuck would the bible be any less "holy" because of the same thing?

Sorry about that little rant there. As I said, that bugs the shit out of me.

Also, don't mistake me for a bible-defender or anything. The bible [i]does[/i] promote anti-homosexuality and man dominating woman. I'm not gay or whatever but that stuff also bugs me a lot and causes so much trouble today.
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falkonns_flight · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:00 am Post subject:

[quote="anti_sk8r"][quote]hehehe the funny thing about the bible is it's called the holy book
but it has rape, gang rape, incest, torture, murder and more in it[/quote]
I absolutely hate more than anything pertaining to religion when people use ^this^ to burn the bible. Sure, it has that s**t but it doesn't [i]promote[/i] it. If you can't handle that sort of stuff than good luck reading just about any more mature novel these days. Hell, even self-help books have that stuff in it. Does it make it not a self-help book just because it talks about those things? No. Why the f**k would the bible be any less "holy" because of the same thing?

Sorry about that little rant there. As I said, that bugs the s**t out of me.

Also, don't mistake me for a bible-defender or anything. The bible [i]does[/i] promote anti-homosexuality and man dominating woman. I'm not gay or whatever but that stuff also bugs me a lot and causes so much trouble today.[/quote]

HERE HERE! ....did I spell that right?...sigh...
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stippie · Very bored Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 237

hello there, i'm not a christian, but a lew, and we have the true bible, and it is [b][i]not[/i][/b] a fictional book, it's a history book, and back then the people were so holy that miricles happened, like the spliting of the read see, and the ten comandments on mount sinai, and there is evedince on mount sinai, because moses didn't know what mountain to go to, so god told him that he has to look for the mountain that has pictures of a boosh on it, and if you want you can go there and see that on every rock on mount sinai there is a picture of a boosh, and if you break it the inside will also have the drawing. so here you go, proof that the bible is not a sci-fi story.

stippie · Very bored Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 237

[quote="London"][quote]yes it has all that in it...it was talking about what the sinners were doing...[/quote]
What? Weren't there supposedly "good" people in the Bible who did things like.. marry their sisters, sleep with their daughters, and stone people to death for being open minded?[/quote]

only the very first people married their sisters, like kain and havel, the sons of adam and eve, they were the only ones there, so it woould be hard to marry some other girl. and it was [b][i]not[/i][/b] alowed to marry your children.

falkonns_flight · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:48 am Post subject:

[quote="stippie"]hello there, i'm not a christian, but a lew, and we have the true bible, and it is [b][i]not[/i][/b] a fictional book, it's a history book, and back then the people were so holy that miricles happened, like the spliting of the read see, and the ten comandments on mount sinai, and there is evedince on mount sinai, because moses didn't know what mountain to go to, so god told him that he has to look for the mountain that has pictures of a boosh on it, and if you want you can go there and see that on every rock on mount sinai there is a picture of a boosh, and if you break it the inside will also have the drawing. so here you go, proof that the bible is not a sci-fi story.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree with that, even though I'm not a "lew" or whatever that is. BUUUT, you'd think that you would have learned how to spell things correctly by now...
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SilverKitsune · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:30 am Post subject:

[quote="stippie"][quote="London"][quote]yes it has all that in it...it was talking about what the sinners were doing...[/quote]
What? Weren't there supposedly "good" people in the Bible who did things like.. marry their sisters, sleep with their daughters, and stone people to death for being open minded?[/quote]

only the very first people married their sisters, like kain and havel, the sons of adam and eve, they were the only ones there, so it woould be hard to marry some other girl. and it was [b][i]not[/i][/b] alowed to marry your children.[/quote]

If it was only adam and eve. We are all commiting incest. No matter what.
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SilverKitsune · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:31 am Post subject:

[quote="stippie"]hello there, i'm not a christian, but a lew, and we have the true bible, and it is [b][i]not[/i][/b] a fictional book, it's a history book, and back then the people were so holy that miricles happened, like the spliting of the read see, and the ten comandments on mount sinai, and there is evedince on mount sinai, because moses didn't know what mountain to go to, so god told him that he has to look for the mountain that has pictures of a boosh on it, and if you want you can go there and see that on every rock on mount sinai there is a picture of a boosh, and if you break it the inside will also have the drawing. so here you go, proof that the bible is not a sci-fi story.[/quote]

I'll arguee this after the contest you are running is over.
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