Tighten the sexual content rules so children can veiw it.

jimmyxurinexsmells · Newb Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 10

I know that pornography is not generally a bad thing and nudity in art is lovely when it is tastefully done, but images that are purely pornographic in nature have gotten onto this site and children spanning from the ages of 8 to 14 are veiwning that material. Also, some of the material on this site contains dipictions of adults haveing sex with children. I am not sure of terms, but I think it is called shotacon or something like that.

Images like this...

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-541689.html

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-479803.html

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-473628.html

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-541689.html

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-479803.html

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-402456.html

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-473628.html

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-365410.html

http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-487283.html
This person shows children engaging in sexual acts with adults. Even though they are teeny tiny adults with crowns. I just feel like being picky.

.. are considered explicit in nature and should not be on the site but they still are. From what I understand, images containing "depictions of bare genetalia and the reproductive organs, whether on male or female subjects." Explict also encompasses, "any depiction of patently sexual behavior or activity, usually but not necessarily in combination with explicit nudity." Things that are not allowed are:

"Depiction of sexual positions or sexual contact between two subjects, regardless of whether the nudity is actual or implied, and whether or not the subjects are male and/or female;
Depiction of an erection or other sexual arousal;
Depiction of masturbation or other fondling of the genetalia, whether male or female;
Depiction of adult-oriented objects (sexual "toys") in a suggestive manner;
Depiction of sexual fluids such as semen."

Or so that is what I understand, and many of these rules are broken every day. I would not be upset by this if this were not a site where children come. I have no prblem with pornography of any kind, I am a very liberal person when it comesto human sexuality, but not when it is being veiwed by children or involves children. It can rip apart childhood innocence, and can also breed a form of sexual deviantcy. Being exposed to pornography at such a young age does have negative affects on children, and this site allows children to veiw it freely. Some images even show forms of rape! Rape my friends is a crime, and is utterly disgusting, but I have no right to tell you what to draw and what not to draw.

These are some underaged children that i have found with links to profiles that have pornographic material on them. I am sure there are many, many more, but I really do not wish to sit at my computer and look at porn all day, so I do not want compill that long of a list.

Now, I am a firm beleiver in freedom of expression, but these images are not expression.Nudity should only be used in art to show either emotion or to make a statment, and these images have no statments to be made, they are purely pornographic in nature. I completely understand how hard it would be to go through every single picture that is approved daily, but, if you are going to have children on the site it would be necessary to do so. I also understand that it would be EXTREMELY difficult to remove the pornography that is allready on this site. I am not asking for radical changes just a tightening and enforecing of the rules.

I know that me myself do not have a good track record, but I have grown up and I am sorry for what I have done in the past. I just want to try and stop some of the pornography that is getting to children. Since I have recently found my 8 year old brother looking at pornography on this site, even with his parental controls on. I was extremely repulsed and I did explain to him that looking at stuff like that was wrong, but it also drives me to try and stop the pornography its self.

Now, I also know that it was my brothers and the other children on this sites fault for looking at these images, but you have to understand they are too young to know what they are doing is wrong, damageing, and well, weird. Sorry to say, I find many things on this site repulsive and strange.

cstdenis · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject:

I'll repeat my responses here too

1. Nudity is not porn. Most of the pictures you linked are acceptable within the content rating system because they are not pornographic (erotic perhaps, but not pornographic).
2. 3 of them were not (42759 and 35811 and 191835) and have been removed.
3. Not all pics submitted to FAC go through the approval panel. Users who are statically shown to submit content that follows the rules are automatically put on "auto approval". It is not feasible to manually approve every picture submitted -- there are just too many. Some sites like DA don't have any approval process at all (as far as I am aware at least)
4. If kids want to see porn they will find it and there is nothing that can be done about that from my end. The rating system to keep people who don't want to see stuff is the best that can be feasibly done.
5. This is not a children's site. Funart-central was created for that.

The new rating system implemented about a year ago (the current one) was designed to be compatible with RASCi rating tags which any censorship software should support. however with the hundreds of other features to program, it got forgotten about. Now that I have been reminded of it I will raise its priority on the todo list.

FAC is run by a group of volunteers, it doesn't make enough money for a paid staff (it barely affords hosting). If you want to search through the hundreds of thousands of pictures using the search engine (and any other method) you can report them and they will be removed if they violate the rules.

jimmyxurinexsmells · Newb Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 10

well all the links listed above are new links,

Stratadrake · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject:

Apologies for deleting the previous topic, but considering this is a question that transcends specific submissions or users, I'm going to remove the URL's as a means of protecting the 'accused'.

... Well, maybe not [i]all[/i] of them. Just the ones calling out specific users.

(I already pasted a copy of the URL's to our staff area so that we can review them as needed.)

If you find other submissions which may be explicit, you may report them using e-mail (to [u]abuse@fanart-central.net[/u]) or PM. I check my PM's whenever I have any (usually once daily).

[quote]1. Nudity is not porn.[/quote]
Aka [b]Not all[/b] nudity is porn. Some nudity is porn, other nudity is not.

I know I wouldn't mind a rule against "exhibitionist" nudity, but as a policy issue that's not for me to decide.

A more visible disclaimer to this effect (about offensive content) may be needed on the rules page.

PS: Submissions are not reviewed by site admins [i]specifically[/i] but by a broader group of site staff members (of which admins are a small part). In the case of removing violations, though, only site admins can do that.
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jclark_foxxy114 · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject:

That's just nasty! They should cover that mess up so kids can view it. Or block it so they can't look at that smut at all.

jimmyxurinexsmells · Newb Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 10

[moderator note: URL's archived for staff reference and removed]

jclark_foxxy114 · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: ...

Those are nasty too! Are you searching all over this website to find that mess?

jimmyxurinexsmells · Newb Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 10

yeah, me and my friend are just sitting here bored looking this stuff up...

jclark_foxxy114 · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: /

[quote="jimmyxurinexsmells"]yeah, me and my friend are just sitting here bored looking this stuff up...[/quote]

Ok,thanks for answering my question. Smile

jimmyxurinexsmells · Newb Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 10

Sweeeet now everyone can look at my myspace. lol

cstdenis · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject:

Most of those violate the rules and have been deleted.

[color=red]But this is not the proper place to submit abuse reports. Send future ones to abuse@fanart-central.net[/color]

Stratadrake · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:01 am Post subject:

As much as we can appreciate your enthusiasm for drawing the line on policy, jimmy, please do not post reports of abuse in public. You can send reports to abuse@fanart-central.net or via PM to a site staff member (I generally listen to PM reports), but a discussion thread is not the place for filing actual reports.
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layzcarter · I used to work here Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 3988

i always figure nudes are okay.. as long as the character isn't engaging in any sexual act.. and as long as there aren't any ... holes.. being exposed. Like the character bending over to show it's butthole is too much. Any character with her legs spread is too much.
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SilverKitsune · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:02 am Post subject:

I agree with carter.

Sonic nudity in general shouldn't be allowed though. *hack* wrgh.

Also, to the person making a big deal about a 12 year old drawing a couple naked in a bed hugging/kissing. Age doesn't really matter....I was like....in kindergarten when I drew stick figures doing that. lol. I can understand that some of those were gross (sonic x ( ) but then others were hardly something to report.
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jimmyxurinexsmells · Newb Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 10

[quote]i always figure nudes are okay.. as long as the character isn't engaging in any sexual act.. and as long as there aren't any ... holes.. being exposed. Like the character bending over to show it's butthole is too much. Any character with her legs spread is too much.[/quote]

Thats all i was saying, nudity is only, like an exposed boobie or maybe a vagina or too, as long as that vagina isn't spread eagle, but something about penises... they just seem wrong to be anywhere. I dunno why, thats just my personal feeling on that I guess.

I DID get a little carried away with some of the stuff that I listed, alot of it was just to mild, but I was in a cartoon porn hateing frenzy with my friend, so yeah. I apologize for that.

jimmyxurinexsmells · Newb Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 10

[quote="SilverKitsune"]
Also, to the person making a big deal about a 12 year old drawing a couple naked in a bed hugging/kissing. Age doesn't really matter....I was like....in kindergarten when I drew stick figures doing that. lol. [/quote]

You knew what all that stuff was when you were kindergraden?? I guess i was the naive child, I thought peopple got pregnant from swapping saliva. lol

SilverKitsune · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject:

My mother was very, no, extremely open to me as a child. I knew everything. In the the long run, I think it was really benefical. Things with perverse messages don't really phase me....I think the only thing that would is people getting it on with the children.....and sonic...p0rn. lol. Yep. Though, I grew up (mentally) faster than my peers. haha. In some things.
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Stratadrake · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject:

[quote]and as long as there aren't any ... holes.. being exposed. Like the character bending over to show it's butthole is too much. Any character with her legs spread is too much.[/quote]
That is essentially dA's guidelines on nudity wrapped up in a few neat sentences.

Nudity just to draw attention to itself (e.g. "OMG LOOK B00BS!" and the ilk) is . . . just plain disturbing. "Wrong". I wouldn't mind if we never had to deal with that stuff again.

Considering that denis did judge some of the examples as too explicit when they did not technically meet any of the currently stated guidelines for explicitness, some revision to the content policy seems in order.
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cstdenis · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject:

I think all the ones I deleted violated the rules, if not point them out in the SH forum thread.

Some of the sonic ones I left may be able to qualify under the arousal category too but that too can be discussed in SH.

Stratadrake · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject:

Arousal is the core aim of pornography, but trying to define it in more formalized terms... not as easy.
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