why coyote hunting is wrong

fallenangel · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject:

The problems with PETA are not in the fringes. Unless you count the founder and president, hired official speakers, and foundation of the corporation as the "fringe". Go read the PETA thread posts by squid and myself.
_________________
"I care about people as much as I care about lawn furniture" - Dexter/Michael C. Hall

Stratadrake · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:55 am Post subject:

Sorry, TLDR. Wink

Dewroo · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:04 am Post subject:

It's TR;DR You Dolt!

infurno · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:25 am Post subject:

Sport hunting is bad. the ones who kill the 30 point buck just to take the antlers and show them off.

I am a Hunter. I AM NOT POOR. but to me nothing can beat the taste of a Venison steak. or venison Jerky. Stew. BBQ Round roast. dang-it now I'm hungry

and were I live. the deer population is to big. so we must, I repeat MUST hunt to thin down the population. let it get 2 big and it's worse then a bullet to the chest. the deer run outta food. and slowly starve to death. or a disease gets them "just like MN's moose population."

Some day. I have gotta try a moose burger

what do they do after they kill the coyote? you can't eat them. and their furs ain't as valuable as wolf bear or Fox.
_________________
[center][img]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b260/infurnoASH/TrailblazerChevy34.gif[/img][/center]

Stratadrake · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject:

[quote]Sport hunting is bad....[/quote]
Sport hunting is . . . well, a sport. Who doesn't want some bragging rights?

Sport hunting isn't a problem, it's regulated. Honest hunters get licensed when it's hunting season, go find a decent animal to take out, finish the job and that's it. They won't just go after the head and leave all the good meat to rot, nor are they going to shoot one animal after another until they find a good "prize" to take home with them. They have a limited quota, and the idea is to make the best of it.

[i]Poaching[/i], on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.

And it all depends on the animal. Hundreds and thousands of innocent mice and rats lose their lives daily to poison, glues, and other lethal implements that you can buy at any old grocery store [i]with no questions asked[/i], no ID or criminal background checks, nothing.
_________________
Strata here: [url=http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/242293]Nanowrimo[/url] - [url=www.fanart-central.net/user-Stratadrake.php]FAC[/url] - [url=http://stratadrake.deviantart.com]dA[/url] - [url=www.furaffinity.net/user/Stratadrake/]FA[/url]
[size=9]Disclaimer: Posts may contain URLs. Click [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife]at your own risk.[/url][/size]

trueliesaa · Forum Scalleywag Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 984

The overpopulation arguement is completely ludicrous, and I'm about to prove it...

human beings are overpopulating as well... starvation, disease, poverty... all major problems in human society caused by overpopulation...

HOWEVER...

I don't think anybody would want to walk out their front door and get shot in the face just because someone feels that we are "overpopulating"

I am sure that everybody on the face of the planet shares this sentiment, and I am sure coyotes do as well

also, I believe it is important to notice that Mother Nature has her own ways of controlling overpopulation, and we should leave her to her handiwork...

overpopulation=f41L
_________________
http://www.skjeret.com/images/WindWaker/NintendoGallery/G4/Mothula.jpg

Moonlightelf · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:38 am Post subject:

I'm going with trueliesaa, hunting just for bragging and without real reason is something i judge. Eventought it would cost money to farmers, they should build those cursed fences instead of hunting coyotes down, it is one investment and that will be paid back within time. Gosh, don't they have any patience or are they just lazy bummers with nut sized brains? Or are they so concerned from cows only that they rather shoot the coyote than build that damn fence? It can be done as small parts also and forget the damned guns and bullets, at some point you have invested on gun more and then you realized you could have build that fence with that money!

I know that sometimes you just have to hunt when population of one specie starts to be too big, but if there are enough beasts to hunt that specific specie, then you don't have to limit the population too much! Somebody get some wolves or something else which eats those deers from somewhere instead of paying for some stupid guns and loads of bullets!
_________________
[url=http://www.fanart-central.net/user-Moonlightelf.php][img]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j194/Moonlightelf/Banners/Artneedslife.jpg[/img][/url]

trueliesaa · Forum Scalleywag Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 984

amen.. hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!
_________________
http://www.skjeret.com/images/WindWaker/NintendoGallery/G4/Mothula.jpg

Stratadrake · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject:

[quote]I'm going with trueliesaa, hunting just for bragging and without real reason is something i judge.[/quote]

"Real" reason, eh? Could you be any more ambiguous? Rolling Eyes

Again, you have to discern between [i]hunting[/i] and [i]poaching[/i]. The state wildlife department doesn't exactly hand out hunting licenses for endangered species, do they?
_________________
Strata here: [url=http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/242293]Nanowrimo[/url] - [url=www.fanart-central.net/user-Stratadrake.php]FAC[/url] - [url=http://stratadrake.deviantart.com]dA[/url] - [url=www.furaffinity.net/user/Stratadrake/]FA[/url]
[size=9]Disclaimer: Posts may contain URLs. Click [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife]at your own risk.[/url][/size]

koujo · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:45 am Post subject:

[quote="trueliesaa"]The overpopulation arguement is completely ludicrous, and I'm about to prove it...

human beings are overpopulating as well... starvation, disease, poverty... all major problems in human society caused by overpopulation...

HOWEVER...

I don't think anybody would want to walk out their front door and get shot in the face just because someone feels that we are "overpopulating"

I am sure that everybody on the face of the planet shares this sentiment, and I am sure coyotes do as well

also, I believe it is important to notice that Mother Nature has her own ways of controlling overpopulation, and we should leave her to her handiwork...

overpopulation=f41L[/quote]

That is what I said...

trueliesaa · Forum Scalleywag Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 984

yes, and u were completely correct... I really think hunting of any animal that u aren't going to eat should be punishable by law.
_________________
http://www.skjeret.com/images/WindWaker/NintendoGallery/G4/Mothula.jpg

koujo · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:15 am Post subject:

*folds arms and nods head* I totally agree...

reityhe · Elder In Training Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 3356

[quote="trueliesaa"]I had posted some of this information, as well as one of the videos, in the PETA article, but I realize now that it didn't belong their, and deserved its own topic...

please be warned in advance that these videos, while not bloody or gory in anyway, show REAL violence, and should be watched with caution if you are squeamish...

I just felt like posting this here... I've posted it on all my other forums, and theough most people do not take my side in the matter, I carry on anyway...

coyotes are beautiful, wolflike creatures that live mainly in the desert, but a few can be found in large, grassy areas and forests. They are quite enjoyable to watch in their natural habitat, and are one of nature's best predators

however...

recently there has been an upsurge in the hunting of these poor animals, and their population has been declining, but not enough, sadly, for people to see the error of their ways....

I would like to start by saying that I am not COMPLETELY against ALL hunting... if you are poor and have no other way to survive than to hunt for food, than that is allowable, but hunting for sport, for fun ,or just to watch something die is wrong...

these videos show just how bad the coyote hunters are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TksB9msUKo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7_BQp05EIc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8tFnBag17E

now, you tell me coyote hunting isn't sick and wrong... I stumbled across these on youtube, and now I use them to inform the masses about the tragedies of coyote hunting...

it is particularly disturbing that in some instances in the first video, as well as the third, that you can see the true evil in the way the hunting is done... the hunters call the coyote with a machine that emits noises similar to injured jackrabbits, making them think there is food... often times, the hunter will call the dog into such a close range that they could reach out and pet it, and the dog just stands there and stares, like that's exactly what it wants, to be petted, but the hunter opts to blow its brains out instead...

please reply and let me know what you think about this tragedy after having watched the videos... I think that watching them will be a real eye opener.[/quote]

exactly. great point, and ive seen some topics against hunting other harmless, beautiful creatures such as young seals and deer.

Brianhjh · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:24 am Post subject:

[quote]human beings are overpopulating as well... starvation, disease, poverty... all major problems in human society caused by overpopulation... [/quote]

Fuck off and get your facts straight. Human overpopulation is not the cause of all major problems in human society. In fact, human overpopulation isn't a problem in half of the world's landmass, Australia, North America, Europe, Central Asia, Middle East, and Far east Asia (excluding China), they WANT more people to replace the millions of people they lose every year due to declining birth rate.

major problems in human society... like what, what is your definition of major problems? lack of food? lack of water? It is a misconception that there will ever be lack of food on earth due to demand, the problem is with the supply. Rise of population correlates to rise in progress of technology, rise of technology equals more foodstuff one can get out of limited land. Many of the so "over populated" countries such as India and China is self-sufficient in food, and water. The two countries' progress in technology would not have been made if it wasn't for there monstrous 600-million strong university-grad 30-50 demographic. The fact is, you can only use the lack-of-food due to large demand is less developed countries like Nigeria, but even then, those country will take care of itself due to its large segment of population entering the workforce in near decades.

[quote]
I don't think anybody would want to walk out their front door and get shot in the face just because someone feels that we are "overpopulating" [/quote]

Of course not, and that's why no one uses human for food. The fact is, humans and livestock, common predators (gasp) are different. It's known fact that Humans are repulsed by using other humans for food because they can relate themselves to who are being killed, and thus the origin of the moral most of the world abides to.

[quote]I believe it is important to notice that Mother Nature has her own ways of controlling overpopulation, and we should leave her to her handiwork...[/quote]

What mother nature, when people say "mother nature" they mean everything in the world but the humans, but the fact is, humans are part of the nature too. When we round up all the tigers and make them extinct, it's no different than disease wiping them out, or some other predator coming and replacing them. If humans bring their own demise due to over eating and overpopulation, that's life, [i]c'est la vie.[/i] Many other species bring themselves to own destruction because of gluttony and lack of motivation for evolution. Like dodos, who got wiped out by simple piglets because they were too stupid to learn how to camouflage their eggs. However, I doubt humans will face destruction any time soon, they are too smart, they are too adept to their environments, humans rawk.

[quote]t is one investment and that will be paid back within time. Gosh[/quote]

Like I said, for the second time, you have no idea how big these farms are, and the farms don't have an exact border either, as there are (gasp) no landmarks to determine which is the wilderness and which is the farm in most cases. I expect it would take around 200,000 dollars to build a meter-high fence around most ranges, and around 30,000 dollars a year after 5-year period when these fences start to deteriorate. These fences aren't "investment that will be paid back within time". These fences actually take money to maintain, like all other things in the universe. Now, how will they build the fence? Remember, most ranges are in the wilderness that do not have contractors nor land surveyors. Most of the adjoining barns and houses are built by farmers themselves. Building a small building is one thing, surveying the land and building a small Nazca ruin is another. Shut up and be fucking realistic.

[quote]some point you have invested on gun more and then you realized you could have build that fence with that money! [/quote]

Yeah, let's abolish weapons and build a giant fucking fence around the entire country, that works, right?

[quote]beautiful creatures such as young seals and deer.[/quote]

[s]Furfag[/s]

How beautiful an animal is does not equate to why they should not be killed. and plus, it's the eye of the beholder, what you find adorable and fluffy might seem disgusting to others.
_________________
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Brianhjh/emesprani151.gif[/img] "Sarah's future makes me sad." - Benk

Moonlightelf · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:33 am Post subject:

[quote="Brianhjh"]
[quote]t is one investment and that will be paid back within time. Gosh[/quote]

Like I said, for the second time, you have no idea how big these farms are, and the farms don't have an exact border either, as there are (gasp) no landmarks to determine which is the wilderness and which is the farm in most cases. I expect it would take around 200,000 dollars to build a meter-high fence around most ranges, and around 30,000 dollars a year after 5-year period when these fences start to deteriorate. These fences aren't "investment that will be paid back within time". These fences actually take money to maintain, like all other things in the universe. Now, how will they build the fence? Remember, most ranges are in the wilderness that do not have contractors nor land surveyors. Most of the adjoining barns and houses are built by farmers themselves. Building a small building is one thing, surveying the land and building a small Nazca ruin is another. Shut up and be f**king realistic.[/quote]

Now didn't i state that you don't need to build that whole fence at once, just doing it as little parts is also fine and eventually you get the whole fence? Yes, i'm being realistic around here and nothing can be done by snapping your fingers. And if you are trying to be so smart, tell me how much they make profit in year and take out food, food of cattle and everything else what is needed by farmers and how much there is cash left.
_________________
[url=http://www.fanart-central.net/user-Moonlightelf.php][img]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j194/Moonlightelf/Banners/Artneedslife.jpg[/img][/url]

Brianhjh · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:49 am Post subject:

Farmers and Rangers in North America make decent profit, farming is one thing that US and Canada does not oursource, because even though the labor is expensive, the productivity of these farms are so high, the farmers and rangers can put out much more food per capita, and they do this by having an extensive range and area. a 2-million dollar range probably makes around 200,000 a year, minus all the wages deducted from its workers and utility cost. Now, Why are you asking if they have enough profit? the problem isn't that they have the money to do it, the problem is that it costs much more money, and is much more time-consuming than the alternative method, which would be hunting regularly.

DON'T EVER TELL SOMEONE TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS BECAUSE IT'S MORE COMFORTABLE FOR YOU. What they are doing right now is cost-effective and fast. It creates a bit of entertainment for the farmers who are cut off from your glorious internet and TV most of the year. Your situation and your moral isn't same to them, and you must understand, otherwise STFU.

And you raised the issue of building it a little by little, lol. While the fence is being completed, the coyotes are still fucking the cows, and building it "a little by little" still doesn't change the overall cost nor the maintenance fee, it just makes the range uglier. And plus, I have not thought of this as I am Canadian, but American farmers and rangers face a monolith of a challenge aptly named "hurricane". I was thinking of ice and snow damaging Candian range and its "fences" if there was ever one, but in American standpoint, the damage is probably more extensive. and my God, do you really want to have 1-km long barbed wire fences flying around your town during a storm? I think now. Fences are completely out of question, and these farmers are smarter than you think. That's one of many reasons why most of them don't have their huge ranges wrapped in fences.
_________________
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Brianhjh/emesprani151.gif[/img] "Sarah's future makes me sad." - Benk

fallenangel · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject:

Small time ranches in Oregon/Idaho are MUCH smaller than the average large commercial ranch, and even then the most they have is a meter high barbed wire fence to keep the [i]cows[/i] away from roads/rivers/etc. It's not realistic to keep the coyotes out. It's not the same thing as building a fence around a garden to keep the deer out.

And as far as nature taking care of over population...uh, yeah, the animals slowly starve to death until there's a small enough population to be supported. I'd rather be shot in the face than slowly starve. It's more humane to thin the numbers and let the remaining ones flourish than for them to all suffer and a large portion slowly die.

I think the real problem here is just that they look like domestic dogs. People have no problem thinning bullfrogs or rats.
_________________
"I care about people as much as I care about lawn furniture" - Dexter/Michael C. Hall

Stratadrake · Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:47 am Post subject:

[quote][b]People have no problem thinning bullfrogs or rats.[/b][/quote]
Indeed. Wink

I pointed that out earlier, any kid can go down to a store and buy rat poisoning traps, without having to be screened, questioned, fingerprinted, or registering the item with local government. And those things kill hundreds of rodentia every day whose only crime is finding the wrong place to take up residence.

They didn't know any better, but they are caught and killed just the same, and nobody files a PETA or SPCA suit against anybody for setting those traps (nor the companies for making 'em).
_________________
Strata here: [url=http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/242293]Nanowrimo[/url] - [url=www.fanart-central.net/user-Stratadrake.php]FAC[/url] - [url=http://stratadrake.deviantart.com]dA[/url] - [url=www.furaffinity.net/user/Stratadrake/]FA[/url]
[size=9]Disclaimer: Posts may contain URLs. Click [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife]at your own risk.[/url][/size]

infurno · Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:39 am Post subject:

[quote="trueliesaa"]yes, and u were completely correct... I really think hunting of any animal that u aren't going to eat should be punishable by law.[/quote]

um NO. everybody killes mice and flyes and ect and we don't eat them should we all just go to jail now?

and overpopulation is an issue, in my state the deer eat the fields destory the woods and jump out and stair at oncomeing traffic. and causing alot of collateral damage. they are a minnis if you let them get overpupulated.

point is the wolves and bear are gone if not scares. the deer don't get prayed on naturaly. so by thinning out it's population we become the preditors.

and as for human overpopulation. what prays on us? nothing. we are the top of the food chain. so an occasional bear or tiger gets a human we have no natural preditor and are way to adaptable to simply die off. and then morality kicks in so we don't kill one another. though one day the population will crash.
_________________
[center][img]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b260/infurnoASH/TrailblazerChevy34.gif[/img][/center]

UnderUnion · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject:

[quote="koujo"]hunting is wrong and "overpopulating" is not a good reason to hunt. The nature will deal with it her self.[/quote] I just want you to know that I see coyotes EVERY D*** DAY! I've lost pets to them(mostly to raibes) and livestock. So I WILL kill them any chance that I get around here. People Eating Tasty Animals!