Salvador Dali

[PhunkYMunkY]

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Discuss.

What do you see in his images of shock, desperation and beauty?

[eclipsedmoongoddess482]

I don't remember much of Salvador Dali. I think he was a surrealist painter, right? That would explain this style of abstract/realistic paintings. He's very skilled for sure and the style he paints in his very unique. Never quite seen anything like this to be honest.

But really, I see like more than just the obvious artistic skill. When I first saw that painting you posted, I like immediately starting trying to figure out the messege Dali is trying to portray. Its very dark and the position of the man in the egg is very tortured and anguished. The woman is dark and brooding and starving as well. So is the child who is just seems to be looking in curiosity while holding his mother's legs for protection.

I assume the man in the egg is the father. This is like a twist on a typical family portrait. Maybe I am not thinking outside of the box that well. This painting has so many symbols and meanings that it could take months to truely fathom what Dali is trying to portray here. I have to say though, I'm very pleased with this thread. Its been a while since I've seen such a shocking painting like this that also has symbolism used intellectually. :wub:
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[Brianhjh]

I think that the man represents United States breaking out and becoming the world power in the 1920's.
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[Touzoku-joou]

I remember seeing this painting in my art class during our art history unit...

What I thought it represented was man's destruction of earth. I thought that the woman and the child had already emerged, and that the man was working his way out of the bleeding earth-egg (because, if you look, it IS earth). It's bleeding, and Africa is crying. The people look anguished, as do their surroundings.

So I think it represents how man has destroyed this planet.

But that could just be my bizarre interpretation.
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[eclipsedmoongoddess482]

I think I have to agree with Joou. I didn't see that the egg was the earth but now its like really obvious. Wow.

It does look like it represents man's destruction of the earth. I mean, look at the way the man is violently ripping himself out of the egg. Its almost like he's an animal and has no care for what happens to the earth as long as he gets out of the egg.

What I want to know is why is the woman pointing to Europe? She has a sad look on her face and yet she is not pointing to Africa but to Europe. Is it regret that she does not live in a better off place like Europe? Is she sad because she can see that Europe is next in line for suffering like Africa (possibly a WWII prophecy or something like that?)

I really love this painting. So meaningful and..I don't want to say that its true. I mean, its a little on the pessimistic side. There's some truth behind it but mostly an exageration. I still like it but its just such a dark and negative view on the human race.
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[PhunkYMunkY]

The image is named "Birth of a New Man".

Think about it

[Miss_Ratface]

The best thing about Dali is, that he knew precisely how to sell himself. That is why he often said that 'he doesn't know what the picture signifies' or that 'it holds no meaning'. People went 'HMMMMM.....brilliant.' and that is (for me) the beginning of the modern media market.

I think its ok to say you don't know what it means, or dont try to explain it, because its surreal from the start. I hate it when i draw a human and people ask me who is it. How the hell should i know and what difference will it make to you if i say its Ginger from New Jersey?!

Well anyways, i was mostly impressed by his cannibalism pictures and The great masturbator. I also watched this 20min movie...The Andaluis dog... or something..? Its funny ^^ Anybody watched it???

And i totally dislike his religious themed pictures. His Last supper looks like a Cosmopolitan backcover to me!!

[loveliesbleeding]

I find that picture, as i find much of salvador dali's work, a hundred fold themes. like i find there is the odvious breaking out of the shell thing, and that might be represented in the naked person outside pointing at the one breaking the shell, or ... well

i don't know where i'm going with this comment so i'll end it here.
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[The_Stef]

[quote="PhunkYMunkY (Gray Roberts)"]The image is named "Birth of a New Man".
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Enfant gopolitique observant la naissance de l'homme nouveau, actually. (Geopolitical Child Watching the Birth of the New Man)

Oh man, I love love love Salvador Dal. He's my favourite artist of all time. I don't particularily think that he really painted things with a meaning, he just paints stuff, then thinks "hmmm, what if I put this over there, streched this out, and put an egg on this? It's much weirder that way. Perfect!" Of course, people later find deep meanings in his pictures, but I don't think he ever planned them to have meaning. This one is probably just his personal response to Dali in an Egg (Philippe Halsman 1942)

I love Dali not only because of how awesome and intriguing his paintings are, but because of how awesome he as a person was. I admire his ability to love himself, and his extreme boldness, the way he would do things just to piss people off.

[i]"Every morning when I wake up I experience an exquisite joy - the joy of being Salvador Dali - and I ask myself in rapture what wonderful things this Salvador Dali is going to accompilish today."[/i]

I also find his childhood fascinating. Like his namesake, named Salvador after his father, even though he already had a brother named Slavador who died before his birth. And how he wanted to be a female chef. (That I just find funny, actually.)

I also like his sculptures, though I've never seen any in person. And I really really want to see An Andulusian Dog (and I think he had another film as well?) even though they would quite possibly freak me out and make me afraid of Dali. Which would be unforunate, because he is utterly amazing.

I don't know why you don't like his religious pictures, Miss_Ratface. I love them! (plus, he reffered to Christ in such amusing ways - [i]"Christ is like cheese, a whole mountain range of cheese!"[/i]) Though I must admit, I wasn't really a fan of The Sacrament of the Last Supper, (but I'm not really sure if that's the one you were talking about, since he tends to paint different versions of the same thing).

I don't on any level consider myself an expert on Dali, just interested in him. He's my number 1 hero of all time. I adore Dali.

Yeah. In short, Dali = awesomest person ever.

[i]"...the sole difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad!"[/i]

[fallenangel]

Dali is one of those artists that people vastly over analyze. Sure, there's probably [i]some[/i] meaning in his work, as there had to be at the very least subconscious reasons for his subjects of choice (even if those reasons were "I'ma piss religious people off" and such), but all this fine art analysis....bullshit. It's not 17th centry Dutch painting where every object in the still life had a definite and intended symbolism.

A lot of surreal work was just stuff that looked weird and cool. And that was the point of it. Some artists made huge, important statements, others were just freaks.

Frida Kahlo is another one who openly admitted to people putting more meaning in her work than there was, though she wasn't really directly connected to the surrealists.

EDIT: Technical wise, though, Dali is a visual orgasm. And I do love that he claimed to just paint stuff that was cool to look at. 'Cause pretentious fine art people make me ill.
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[DivineNightshade]

I luv Salvador Dali'! His art was a little strange, but i like surrealism!

Sometime's i just look at his art and went

Oo...uh ok

[bowiegranap]

Lots of talent, but could have laid off psilocybin mushrooms once in a while.

[Koikaji_Saru_the_Wierd_O]

I've never really liked Dali. I don't really know why. Those melting clocks he painted (sorry, Dali fans, but I forgot the title of that particular piece) have always freaked me out for some reason. But whenever I looked at something of his it effects me in a funny way. His paintings make me kind of nervous and sick. And it's not the painting itself, it's the underlying tones, and perhaps some of the colours, that weird me out.

I do respect and admire him for his skills... but I must ask myself what kind of drugs he's on to come up with this stuff.

I do like the picture at the beginning of this thread, though. To me it looks like the man is struggling to break away and out of the egg/earth (I first saw this as an egg) and the woman is pointing at him to use him as a sort of example. As in "Watch as he struggles and fails," as if man is too weak to escape the world. Also, the child looks more afraid than curious, because he's hiding and holding at the woman's legs. The blood could be what the man is paying to fight out of the egg. And the landscape behind him is desolate to show what kind of place he's fighting... and.... the drape/tent thing above the world/egg reminds me of a circus tent.

But all that's just me.
I also agree with Fallen... Dali is over-analyzed, his work is used to make people think by other people. Others, such as art teachers and art historians, like to hurl art such as Dali's in people's faces so they'll explore "They're deeper and creative subconscience."

It's kind oflike literature, I think. In school all the teachers say things like, "The author did this and that to make us think and expose us to this and that and that do-hicky over there." But that's normally not the case. Some people just write, like some people just paint.

Rant over. Peace.

[com50l]

I find this has a good amount of modern day art work and even some olden day art like the way they added a good amount of a burned goldy colour

[com50l]

I find this has a good amount of modern day art work and even some olden day art like the way they added a good amount of a burned goldy colour

[Rancor125]

Very meaningful. At first, I was like, "What the heck is that?" and then I saw the Earth. And the man destroying it. Again, how pessimistic.
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