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SquallLeonhart
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is so annoying. If you're gonna have an approval thing, you should make it so that the pictures are approved WITHOUT email pretty much right when you send the picture in. I know some pictures aren't necessary and have copyright, but honestly, i've been waiting since I got home from school to see new pictures on here (that was 3 and half HOURS ago). And I also want people to see my own work that I've been posting. I'm getting quite impatient, will someone PLEASE GET ON IT!!?? Grr!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i'm sorry your so annoyed by it. But if for some reason there isn't being any on going approval for awhile, you can always go to some other sites and look around until some new stuff is put up on FAC.

It's in the end in the site's best interest to have this approval panel. It will lower the chances of stealing, submitting official artwork, double posting, will help keep the site cleaned up instead of getting messer by enforcing people to place everything in the right category, and keep the art they submit, at the right size, with the right rating. We've discovered, that it can even perhaps keep people from having double accounts in some way.

I'm real sorry you've been waiting so long for new stuff to go up, but you have to understand, that some sites don't put any new work up, for up to 24 hours. We get a lot of submission, somewhere around 300 a day, and a lot of them are rejected because the artist aren't submitting them correctly and aren't paying to much attention to the rules. I haven't been online until about an hour ago as i was home sick today and basically slept until about 5pm, so i haven't really had a chance to see if any new stuff was getting backed up. I'll go and approve (or reject) some of the stuff in a few minutes.

Just please understand, we can't always have someone online to be there to approve things. So as annoying as it can get, just try and hang in there and be a little more patient, and i know it gets really frsutrating (i'm very inpatient on a lot of things so yeah, i do understand)

Here are some other good sites to look around though if FAC is at a stand still for any reason.

www.animeX.com
Otaku.com

just looking through those two can keep you busy for awhile. I like animeX a lot really. Any how, i'll go take a look squall, just be patient okay, and if it happens again, just ask someone, but try not to get to mad about it and we'll gladly take a look when we can okay.


Well, off to work now.
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SquallLeonhart
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, I'll try to be more patient. But for some reason, and I do not know if it's just my computer today, but it's been going a whole lot slower and when there are sudden surges of posts being approved, I can't keep up with it. (Also quite annoying). I understand that what I wanted was for it to be fast, but, is it just my computer today, I dunno, i'll keep checking the site but if it keeps going this slower i'm not going to be able to stand it, I just know it

Is it possible that you will be rejecting any images because they are just doodles? Because I post things like that every ones in a while just to get comments on them and ideas/suggestions. Just wanna make sure that doesn't happen.

Thanks for you understanding of my complete and utter frustration....(i'm grounded and can only go on the computer when my father figure isn't home to see it, so I like to have everything mostly perfect on the computer because I know i'm going to be going quite a while until I can go back on, which is really annoying because I have stuff to post and comments to check and I have to wait until April if I have good grades, to go back on and it's really beginning to p*ss me off quite badly. But....that's my problem) So now that I have given my whole story, goodbye
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, when i went on there was only 21 waiting to be approved, i think denis was approving a few of them to as well as me, as he was the only one logged in other than me. But i left three i wasn't sure on. (I'm still sick so bug off if that bothers you that much, someone will know what to do with them more than i)

Other than that, everything else was approved or rejected.

As for you doodles on lined paper and such. I, along with some others, are hoping to get a quality sort of thing going. We're all just talking about it right now, no one on the staff wants the site to get as strict as some others. but in all, some of the stuff submitted, is just ridiculous.

If you do something you think is good on lined paper, what i would recommend doing, is putting the lined piece of paper behind a page in your sketch book, and retracing it onto the page of your sketch book. Someone asked me if that was stealing once, and incase your thinking the same thing, no, it's not stealing, unless it was something you didn't draw. If it's yours, all your doing is transferring it into your sketch book really.

I've done that before, but i never use lined paper, i hate with a passion, i do most of my assingments on my laptop (yeah, i know) but i've done drawings of cartoon characters on construction paper and all sorts, then just trasnferred them into my sketchbook. It's really simple, and makes everything look much nicer.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON???? It says that there are 0 images waiting to be approved....when I posted something!!! There is absolutely nothing wrong with my picture! It's not on lined paper (which I'd never do anyway, so you needn't worry about that), it's not copyright, it's just a picture I did called "Original Manga Character" I think or something like that and it's not on there and now I'm really mad. I want to know exactly why it's gone because I've been waiting nearly an hour to see it on there and recieve comments. Please explain this to me, because now I'm rather angry and have to pity that it's not on the site...unless there is some good reason it's not there, I'm going to remain completely p*ssed!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the category was no correct or seen as filled out completely, it may be rejected for inapproperate category.

Lined paper doesn't matter right now, it's allowed.

But we are enforcing proper category labeling.

Ifi it's anime or manga, it has to go under anima/manga. if it's an original manga or anime character then it should go under anime/manga - original.

If it's a feary, it goes under fantasy - fearies

If it's not an original character but say a cowboy bebop character for example, it should go under anime/manga - cowboy bebop.

Don't go get all aggressive and angry about it, just make sure it's done like so, and submit it correctly filled out with the needed info. if it was rejected, then resubmit after it's fixed.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I mean, I put it under plainly "original" without the manga thing. I know there's such a section because I use it a lot. Technically, that should be correct, I don't understand why that's so strict, is it not possible to change while approving??? Because now it's been an hour and a half and I really hope I don't have to wait a long time for it to be approved AGAIN....all I'm saying is that this is becoming quite a hassle just because I made a small mistake, that I didn't even know was wrong to begin with. If original is a section, what do you want to go under there? Seriously, all together this will have taken me three hours to get through once it's all over and done with and if it's going to keep hapenning like that, then this is not going to be very convenient....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just be glad there's no two week waiting period like on elfwood. <_<

Seriously, it may seem worse for users (in a very minor way), but it will help staff incredibly. Abuse reports will go much faster without most of them being official art. You'll never have to click on another title and see the page filled with blank white space because the picture was 1500 pixels wide. Everything will be in its proper place at an easily viewed size. A little waiting won't kill anyone.

I'm not sure what you were wanting by a better approval system. The only way to do that is to have someone logged on 24/7, which will never ever happen no matter how many people you have doing it, unless it's their paid 9-5 job to be here (which will also never happen). The system as it is now is actually one of the best on the 'net. All it does is make sure things aren't stolen and are worth looking at (or should I say, possible to look at), unlike sites such as Epilogue (no offense to the awesome site) and elfwood where you're judged on subject matter and quality, which are primarily left up to the personal opinion of the person looking.

In this case, it's very clear cut (for now) as to what the requirements are. Not stolen, in the right place, and not massive in size. Very neutral judgment, and all the rejection reasons, aside from theft, are very easily corrected and resubmitted. If for some reason your image doesn't show up, just try again and make sure everything is filled out correctly, as Lasher said.

It's nothing to go insane over.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But like I said, I put it in the original section...what is supposed to go there if not original artwork? I want to know why that was decided as the wrong section to put it in.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't reject it, thus I can't tell you. You should get an email (I think) if it's rejected.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallen, you read my mind with the Elfwood. If you have a problem, go there and wait and see what happens. As far as I can think back, I haven't rejected any of your pictures. We're only humans, we have lives, we are not dedicated to spending all of our free time on you, your pictures, and this site. Today alone I must've approved/rejected around 50 or more pictures. I don't like reading things like this where you complain. Be patient and glad we're not that strict. If you posted a drawing on lined paper at some other sites, they'd bitch you off. Please, don't complain about this stuff, it's pointless and annoying.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh, hey Kate.....I'm pretty sure....no, I'm posotive that I said I would never post anything on lined paper. That just goes to show that you didn't even read the entire thread before you started posting you 'opinions' away...so ya know what? Don't talk if you don't know the whole situation. I can understand not accepting lined paper, which is why I said I would never bother doing it. Doodles does NOT mean lined paper. Doodles means 10 to 15 minute drawing on ANY surface. And don't tell me it was pointless to start this thread because I started it to have the possibility of making things better on the site. And even though that didn't happen, I did get my picture up (finally) so just....yeah...don't talk to me. "OOOH I'M NAASTY!"-Brians cousin in Family Guy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="SquallLeonhart (Ehron Almasy)"] Uh, hey Kate.....I'm pretty sure....no, I'm posotive that I said I would never post anything on lined paper. That just goes to show that you didn't even read the entire thread before you started posting you 'opinions' away...so ya know what? Don't talk if you don't know the whole situation. I can understand not accepting lined paper, which is why I said I would never bother doing it. Doodles does NOT mean lined paper. Doodles means 10 to 15 minute drawing on ANY surface. And don't tell me it was pointless to start this thread because I started it to have the possibility of making things better on the site. And even though that didn't happen, I did get my picture up (finally) so just....yeah...don't talk to me. "OOOH I'M NAASTY!"-Brians cousin in Family Guy [/quote]
Read up, kid. I wasn't talking to you specifically. This is to anyone that has this opinion here. It's a forum where everyone sees this stuff. I was probably the one that approved your f**king picture because I just got done going through about fifteen more pictures. Why don't you learn some respect for the staff on this site? I wasn't trying to be mean towards you. You stated your God damn opinion and I wanted to state mine. Get off my case and learn some respect, we dont' need you guys ragging on us when we're doing this on our own free time for nothing, just to help out.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooo I've been waiting 3 hours... Poor me.... I don't even check my e-mail every hour! Also, your pic got up before the end of the day, why complain? Also, while waiting, why don't you just look at others ppls pics? I was actually surprised that there was no aproval board before because of all the junk that I hear about the internet.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two things:

Waiting is a part of life. Anything that requires specifics generally requires a wait. Epilogue has approval. You have to wait to be approved to submit something to DAPrints because they have to make sure the file is able to be printed (and in this case, we're making sure you can actually see the picture).

People don't seem to realize this will also mean more exposure for them. Fewer pointless submissions of official art or images you can't see and slower submission rates means when yours does go up, it will stay near the top longer instead of being pushed down fifty spots within the hour. Unless you'd prefer your image be buried and gone in about ten seconds, in which case DeviantART is always open. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, i was okay with your complaint and thought it was maybe, simple questions and misunderstanding of the system. But now you keep going on and on complaining about it.

Secondly, "I" Rejected your damn drawing, that's right, me, LASHER, rejected the damn thing, and i LASHER approved it when it was resubmitted, like i asked.

Why, techincally, i don't have to explain as i did already in the rejection message, but i'll be nice and explain again.

There are different categories on the site, with different types of oroginals, steaming off from them. There's original manga, original anime, original everything almost. So if your drawing anime or manga (style) and you just put it under plain original, then it can be rejected. You have to be specific about the categories.

Why? Because, if your a person who goes through the categories to look at certain types of drawings, you will find, drawings that do not belong, or not specific enough in their categories, thus making it HARDER to find exactly what your were looking for to look at. It keeps the place a lot cleaner when everything is put down and it's not that hard. It's not that hard to correct either, and you took it WAYYYY to personally and defensively. It keeps the site cleaner, makes it easier to find things, including the abuse team if they are searching for something. It saves time, and as everyone says, knows and agrees, time is money, so te speak (although we do not get paid here, we do have personal lives, which could mean money or not to you, in my case it does, i don't like wasting my timing because people don't categorize things correctly)

Now, if you don't mind, i'm going to take my shower, then i'll come back and respond to anymore complaints there are, however pointless or spot on they are.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To all of you who are saying that I'm being really annoying and should just wait, you need to hear me out. I know that other sites make you wait longer...but guess what? That's the reason I'm not signed up to those sites. It's one of the most important factors. And as for you Kate, when you said "i'm probably the one who approved your f**king picture", big deal. You can't just reject it because you get mad at me so what are you bragging about?

Now, I'd say more but I have to work on my cereal box in ad/graph now so, yeah, be back later to check on your dumb replies against me.

Just know that I have a whole bunch of people who also think that the approval thing isn't goin' very fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your complaints are selfish. The approval panel is there to improve this community for everyone. Wouldn't you rather look at pictures that are nicely sized, put into the proper category, and that are not obviously ripped off? Have you ever complained about someone posting up official art as their own? Well that isn't likely to happen again with the approval panel in place. Don't you hate it when you click on a new pic just to get a broken link? That is not likely to happen again.

For the most part the Approval Panel has been moving pretty quickly. Almost everytime I come on there is a memeber already approving and rejecting. Oh and I joined this site because I wanted a place to post my crap art. It helped that there was no waiting time.. but there isn't any waiting time with deviant art either. Compared to all the other sites with approval panels I would have to say this is the fastest moving. How about you join Otaku.com? Then when it takes 24 hours for your picture to be approved, and probably rejected, you can collect your 35% rating that the nice members will give you there, and you can come back here and realize the FC approval panel isn't that bad at all.

I don't think you should have waited 3 hours and you have gotten your point across about that. The past few days I know I had a monitor break down and was forced to use my husbands computer.... and seeing how he's always on it, it was a bit hard to be approving pictures. But I'm getting a new monitor this weekend. And I know that the others check in here at least once every hour so I'm wondering if the three hour wait might have been a slight exaggeration on your part.

Sorry if this post is all over the map.. i just woke up.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not bragging. I'm saying that we're working our asses off to help out, moderating the forums, approving pictures, getting rid of stolen images, moderating the chat (when it's up), and soon, cleaning up the categories, and all you do is tell us how slow we are, and how annoying it is for you. Ha, annoying for you? You don't really do anything, you can just upload your pictures and that's it. We actually sit and help out. No, I'm not complaining, I volunteered. I really don't mind helping at all. For the last time, if you have a problem with the system, go to some other site where you have to wait forever to get a picture approved, then complain about it. I would have been nice about what you're saying but it really angers me that after all the work we put into helping out with the site, you still complain. Why don't you just say thanks and try to deal with it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've noticed, that the people the complain about little inconviences like that, are people who are looking for a fight, taking out their problems on us, or aren't capable of following the simple rules.

It's not all that hard and complaining about it to much, just tends to make one look like a whinner with nothing better to do than complain.

The panel was made for the better of the site and it's users.

It lessens the chances of clicking on a picture, that is to far big to see, stolen, offical artwork or isn't even working and not showing up at all. It also keeps the site clean with the correction asked by staff to users, to be made, so that it is much easier to move around the site and find things. Everyhing is helpful in all. And it's not our problem you waited three hours. The people that normally approve during that time of day had problems getting to a computer or little time to spare. Sometimes things like that may happen on occassion but it's nothing that bad. And i nthe end, it was taken care of.

Besides, if your that eager to get a comment, you'll spend just as long waiting to get one half the time unless already a well known artist on the site, which most of them have built up a fan base already as well as on other sites. Most people don't get comments instantly.


And one of my colleagues was right in saying that the waiting period actually can be to your advantage, because it does keep work on the top of the list longer to be recognized easier by others. People use to sensless submit everything in site, making it hard for their work to be even noticed as it was rapidly pushed down the page.

I know it's a major annoyance, but it's over and dealt with, and it's not that big of a deal. It's time to get over it.

And of course some people aren't going to like waiting, but that's a part of life. Sometimes you jsut have to suck it up and deal with it.
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