What Are Most Are You Artist Goals In Life?

Yokoana · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject:

Art is kind of a hobby right now, or rather, a passion. I've been poking around for an art college around my home town (er...city), but that's as far as that.

My bigger goals are towards writing. I have a book I'm writing, and out of everything, I want it published. And maybe made into a movie. *_* Yup... keep dreamin' Roni. I'm only on Chapter 7 in rough and Chapter 4 in typing. XP
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fallenangel · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject:

Americans don't do anime. Not successfully. Getting into a school and having a successful career are two entirely different things. Look at all the people in American art schools who will never do anything with their degrees.

It's just a fact that you see no Americans in the anime field (or perhaps a couple, since I hate the style and don't pay it much attention, but you're competing with 5 million Japanese kids. You have to be god).

Costume design, on the other hand, will always be needed, and there's tons of opportunities for it.
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Brianhjh · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject:

To be really good in manga style, you have to be born surrounded by it... I've yet to met an American who could pass off as a Japanese professional manga artist.

I mean, somethings just show.

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Gameglitch · Very bored Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 211

[quote="Yokoana (Roni)"] Art is kind of a hobby right now, or rather, a passion. I've been poking around for an art college around my home town (er...city), but that's as far as that.

My bigger goals are towards writing. I have a book I'm writing, and out of everything, I want it published. And maybe made into a movie. *_* Yup... keep dreamin' Roni. I'm only on Chapter 7 in rough and Chapter 4 in typing. XP [/quote]
I see you have some goals in wanting to publish a new book, but thats just it. You better have a lot of cash available on hand because it will cost you a fortune to publish say a few hundred copies of Ink and bindings rack up quite a bit. So you got too do your homework. And to get a publisher that will want to put the time and money to publish it. As they will want to check it over and may want to edit it to there liking. As they may edit it so much that it may not sound like the story that was being told originally. That happened the original writer of the Little House On The Prairie. As it was about the writers childhood, which I believe, was the Character Laura Ingalls Wilder
But it was not until years later that she found a publisher that would keep it to the original.
But anyway there are another type of publisher called Vanity publishing which I believe they will only publish a few or maybe just one at a time as you wish but I dont have much information on that and I would not recommend trusting such solutions. As some publishers are scams. As I personally got sucked into by this place:

http://poetry.com/

"Do not go to poetry.com, as they are complete rip offs. There is this site that says you have a chance of winning 1000 bucks if you submit a poem into their site. Well I can almost guarantee you will get a message in the mail saying you are in the semi finals and they want to put your poem in their new book etc etc etc. Then they will say to BUY a copy of their book to see your poem in it along with other stuff. DON'T DO IT! Its a scam! First off they dont even offer any money for putting your work in there book and second, if you do buy their book there is a likely chance you will never get it, and will not get your money back! AND what is worse is that they may put your poem in the book anyway with out your permission. SO DONT SUBIT ANYTHING IN THIS SITE!

There are other variations of this site so be careful what contests you go into, it maybe a scam!"

fallenangel · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject:

Because as Brian said, the Japanese are far more competent at it. They grow up with it and are much more culturally inclined to do it well. When there's millions of Japanese doing it perfectly, Americans are at an extreme disadvantage.
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Brianhjh · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject:

I'm not saying that you can't succeed, I'm saying that if you were born in US without Anime contact since toddler years, your art style will always be little bit different, I notice this with a lot of old anime artists around here, there's something about them that doesn't seem "native" but it's not degrading them.

You should see Japanese Spiderman fanarts, hilarious.
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Black-Bird · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject:

NO! I was born in the us... I don't see anything diffrent.
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Brianhjh · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject:

Everyone stop posting 10 seconds after each other >_<

[quote] NO! I was born in the us... I don't see anything diffrent. [/quote]

eh? what? How can you not see? it's so blindingly obvious.
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fallenangel · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:

And all the power to ya, in no way was I saying quit. But it's basically impossible, and it'd be a shame to spend [i]so[/i] much time working on something that is useless in any other field. No one else wants anime. Art colleges don't want anime. Companies don't want anime. A foundation in the basics and well rounded education will serve you far better in the long run than devoting so much concentrated energy on something that is extremely unlikely.

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firewingneko · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject:

A see art as a hobby but I'd like it to be more than that later. I don't necessarily want to be a manga artist but I'd like to be in the drawing domain. There are lots of jobs that require good drawing abilies so I hope I can get somewhere.

Art can be used for many things and in many domains.
Even some movies background are drawings. You just don't notice it. And if you're intrested in clothes desings and all, drawing is useful alot. You can also simply sell drawings aand there's alot of 'street artists'. You can easily get 200$ in one week-end if you're good Smile

I think I'll try it out someday.
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fallenangel · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject:

Dunno, it's just something you have to figure out. But all the talented, professional anime artists can draw realism as well, guaranteed.
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Gameglitch · Very bored Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 211

[quote="Animemaster2334 (Lindsay)"] Well that's just peachy. <_<
The last time I attempted realism it gave me nightmares. [/quote]
Well first off I couldnt draw realistically when I was 13 years old... It was not until (at the earliest) my later teens/early 20's I was able too start getting the hang of realism. And even still, it is a learning process and practice(though I don't draw all the time but still). It comes with time. At 13-14 I was doing mainly cartoon stuff. Some pick up on it earlier, some later. And there is some that can't do it at all, but there has to be a few exceptions to the rule. Like them newspaper comic strips for example... Charles Schulz (Charlie Brown and the Peanut gang) I dont think he could do realism (Not a 100% sure) but I don't think so.. but look at him he is worth 6 billion dollors. (I'm not sure if he is still alive) <_<

Brianhjh · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:25 am Post subject:

If you can do realism when you're 14, you're a freak of nature, you'll get better in realism as you get older, you're preference to the style will change too.
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Lizkay · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:39 am Post subject:

Hmm I don't really want to intefere or break into this discussion, I just want to add a few points.. so don't get me wrong Wink

I already reached the goal I set for myself when I "canceled" my studies at the university, that goal was to create art or a similar "product" which is worth to get puplished and "used". I rarely tell anybody I know or at least I ever metion it where and what I work at all, I write it inside my description and if someone ask me, I said yes that's what I work that's my answer, people tend to see you as a big braggart when you start to talk about that... don't try to tell me something different I hear that everyday when someone talks to me about my job, and yes I also dare to say it's a bit enviousness behind. So I will not tell you exactly what my job is, generally I draw the whole day and get paid for it... that's it.
If you start to work for a firm which stays alive with graphics and art they *will* look at your certificates and so on, but in generall you will not learn what they want from you in ANY SCHOOL, never! Believe me! Every firm needs a special artist who makes what they need, they look at your general skill and they will weigh out if you "could" do what they want that's the most important thing they look out for, if you can do everything it's a big plus than... and I can agree with what's said about realism, there are more category groups, for example, gaming, movie, etc. where you will need knowledge in realism. Some people who are good in drawing and painting will *maybe* just start as texture painter.. but they will grow into another position if they make it constant and if they really want it. And there is always the thought behind such jobs, You are REPLACEABLE there will be always someone better than you, but that's kind of a fight you have to go through.. that's all I can say.
So well hate me for it Wink

but I hope you don't do so
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fallenangel · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:05 am Post subject:

There's very few jobs where you aren't replaceable these days. When you can get training for any job in just a few years, only the ones who have 20+ years experience are really secure in their positions, and even then more and more are being laid off.

At least with art, there will always be a need for it. Technology is making a lot of jobs obsolete or reducing the number of employees needed, but as long as there's visuals, there's art jobs.

But I agree that no matter how good you think you are, there's a thousand people out there willing to do it better, given the chance.
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PunchenAngel666 · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:43 pm Post subject:

i want to be a comic artist, or maybe an art theripist, or ill just keep working at andy warhol till death do us part.
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dolphinprincess · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:

[quote]I don't get why you have to be Japanese to be sucessful with anime style art.... Just because of where you originate shouldn't have to do with what you can and can't succeed in.[/quote]

Yeah, it doesn't matter where you live. As long as you work hard at it, and study it carefully. I'm Canadian, and my art (not the stuff that I have on fanart, the stuff that I haven't inked and scanned) looks very Japanese shoujo-style.

[quote]Because as Brian said, the Japanese are far more competent at it. They grow up with it and are much more culturally inclined to do it well. When there's millions of Japanese doing it perfectly, Americans are at an extreme disadvantage. [/quote]

So?! Anybody can learn how to draw anime! It just patience and hard work! You know, saying that makes it sound a little discriminated.

Lindsay, I do hope I get to meet you someday. In fact, I hope Raos (and all your other OCs) gets into an anime or video game! Yeah, that'll show them!
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fallenangel · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:16 am Post subject:

Please point me to this vast number of Americans working in the anime field. Sure, you can learn anything given enough time. But the Japanese learn it faster and better [b]because they are around it all the time[/b]. It's not about race, it's about nationality. A white person growing up in Japan would be better than a kid of Japanese decent growing up in America.

And the fact is, the anime companies have thousands of Japanese kids who are familiar with the culture and have been drawing anime all their lives. They don't need an American that had to learn about the culture and learn to copy the style. As was said before, in art, there's always someone willing to take your job and do it better given the chance. If you can't be lined up with 1000 artists from Japan and be ten times better than them, it's hopeless.

I've seen the credits of anime shows. Aside from voices and adaptation to America, I don't see a whole lot of "Becky Smith"s and "Joe Roberts" in the credits. They're all Japanese. [i]Maybe[/i] you can get a job with one of the American companies, but from what I've seen, those are shitty companies anyway.
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Brianhjh · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject:

You gotta understand, no Japanese companies will hire you if they have to hire translators to work with you, and Japanese language is one of the hardest language to learn if you are a Nordic-Romance language speaker, (ie, English)

Introduction of Anime to America was an extremely effecient way to get children interested in arts, but when you're in your late highschool, most of you will realize that sometimes, trying doesn't work. Real artists at that point seek out other ventures, those who don't draw "manga" tutorial books that many native Japanese find heretic.

In America, Anime/Manga community is still shunned from the general public, (meaning people that matter, people 18-65 who has good jobs) so it's really hard to get in and start to create a new mainstream hit rather than just go with the manga flow (which you can't, since the companies won't support you, they don't know whether the series will succeed or not since they haven't tested in other countries yet, ie, Japan)

In France and Germany, there's a nouveau-manga movement that is flooding with very good German and French artists who has been reading un-cut mangas as early as the 1980's. Their style is slightly different from Japanese, more abstract and distant from the normal stereotypes, I'd say. They're more advantaged since their view on manga and Japanese culture was much more accepting than the US.

The same goes for Taiwan, Hong Kong, Malaysia and South Korea.

But if you can only speak English, you're pretty much screwed right now. Since there are no English-Speaking countries where you can easily go and get your manga published.
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Inu-chan_rox_mah_sox · Has No Life Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 452

Well, guess that throws my whole dream down the toilet. e.e I only speak English, I haven't grown up around the style, so I guess that just fucked up my whole concept of what to do later in life. *shrugs* Guess I'll just draw for the sake of my short attention span. *doodles on MS paint*