Psuedomei, anyone disgusted by it around here?

[Brianhjh]

One more double post and you're suspended.

probably



You're skimming through big-budget anime shows and comparing them to low-budget American, Western cartoons, which isn't a fair comparison. Western cartoons generally take more money to make, because they use a lot more frames and because characters' mouths actually MOVE. Now, Japan probably produces one respectable movie per year, while I can think of at least 5 movies that came out here which was better animated, higher-budget, and generally more faithful to what "animation" should be. Sure, Japan might be making series that you like better... but no one cares about you. You like "cool" characters with deformed anatomy. You like cheesy dialogues that tries to give a mature look on those deformed characters. You like telling other people about the cool new culture you probably just discovered while knowing shit yourself. Once again, keep in mind, no one cares about you.
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[Touzoku-joou]

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oh, fuck this, it's not worth arguing over which country has shittier animation.

I will, however, say that your idea of what defines anime is skewed. There are no guidelines as to what the anime art style has to look like, because there are [i]so many artstyles[/i]. Oh no, a defined nose! It must not be anime! Fuck you, get a life, LERN ORIGINALITY, and find better things to waste your anger on than American companies making money off of a fad. Welcome to capitalism. Don't like it? Move to China.
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[gamefox120]

Gee I must have struck a nerve.....
oh well no skin off my nose in fact I think God has blessed me with this turn of events
you Know I'm right loser

news for you mister "site helper"

Im not dissng Western animation as a whole ma bey if you read all what I was saying
you would of known that I love Fantaisia its Masterpiece!
there are people who care about me!,
Lips don't need to move in anime you Know why Mr. big shot?
because when Japaneses talk they use the tounge not the lips!
I know this believe me My aunt is from Japan.
I GREW UP WITH ANIME Jack ass so dont tell me whats good or not
For years I have tried to draw Anime because I respect it and I respect the people who make it so dont give me that crap About me being a green horn!

[Brianhjh]

Oh wow,
[quote]you Know I'm right loser[/quote]
Indeed, I agree. Punctuation is your friend, loser.

You somehow managed to type a bit of response but not anything that countered any of my point, other than this:

[quote="gamefox120"]
Lips don't need to move in anime you Know why Mr. big shot?
because when Japaneses talk they use the tounge not the lips!
I know this believe me My aunt is from Japan.
[/quote]
Of course it needs to move, everybody, everybody uses lips to talk, everybody, everybody uses TONGUES to talk, just because it is a different language, it doesn't mean they use different part of their mouth to speak. Obviously, since you are claiming such a fundamentally wrong method of linguistics, you can only speak one language and you can only fantasize about others. Do you know this also ties into? You herald Japanese animation as being superior just because it's DIFFERENT, because it is FOREIGN to you. I never said it was the nationality that made the difference. I suggested the different lies on studio's willingness to spend big bucks.

More on the claim that speaking Japanese requires no lip movement... Do you know what I'm doing right now? I'm literally crying of LAUGHTER. Japanese cartoons, well, TV-series anyway, don't animate the mouth because it looks extremely awkward if it isn't done right; and to do it right, you need a lot of money, so that is why most anime studio is willing to sacrifice all lip movement, not because the Japanese language requires no open mouth to be spoken. You know this because your aunt is from Japan? not only do I NOT believe that, claim by familiar authority over the internet means shit, it doesn't mean anything. Only universal, factual sources matter. I can give you statistics of frame count difference between anime and cartoons right now, or the budget for entire few dozen hour length anime of your choice compared to the budget of say, Prince of Egypt. I can also claim that Miyazaki Hayao is my grandfather and give his view on this, but I won't, because I am not an idiot.
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[gamefox120]

you JACK ASS!!!!!!
Like i give crap about any punctuation
I say what I want too
when I want too
so sorry if your such a nerd to notice how I type.

Your the moron here you know what I mean when I am talking about lip movement
so Quit bringing up the money Issue every one says that to be convincing and to create an argument just so they can be a smart a$$ like you
You know I am Right and your probablyjust a Fat ugly geek who lives in his mother's basement
If I am wrong about this then why are you a "site helper?"
You're just trying to put me down.
it wont work No matter how many times you post crap to offend me
you will not kill me with words nor shall you persuade me with your excuses I will continue this argument I've got plenty of time.

P.S. My aunt, Eriko Higdon, is a real person from Japan.
Believe it or not its the truth.

[Kitzy]

Ok, let's just settle this now. This is probably the only good Japanese animation you're ever going to see since most Japanese companies sacrifice more frames for 'appealing' art.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=faMlYIO_eLg[/url]


Regular anime shows are no better than your average trendy kids shows in the U.S. anyway.
Take a look at something like Rumiko Takahashi's work and try and tell me it's better than Bugs Bunny. I dare you.
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[Touzoku-joou]

[quote="gamefox120"]

P.S. My aunt, Eriko Higdon, is a real person from Japan.
[/quote]

you say that like it's something amazing. OMG! A REAL JAPANESE PERSON!
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[SilverKitsune]

[quote="gamefox120"]
you JACK ASS!!!!!!
Like i give crap about any punctuation
I say what I want too
when I want too
so sorry if your such a nerd to notice how I type.

Your the moron here you know what I mean when I am talking about lip movement
so Quit bringing up the money Issue every one says that to be convincing and to create an argument just so they can be a smart a$$ like you
You know I am Right and your probablyjust a Fat ugly geek who lives in his mother's basement
If I am wrong about this then why are you a "site helper?"
You're just trying to put me down.
it wont work No matter how many times you post crap to offend me
you will not kill me with words nor shall you persuade me with your excuses I will continue this argument I've got plenty of time.

P.S. My aunt, Eriko Higdon, is a real person from Japan.
Believe it or not its the truth.[/quote]


oh..my god. Just kill yourself. You're making a fool of yourself. Just because others are obviously right and can keep up a better arguement, doesn't mean that you have to act like an immature 12 year old. Which right now, is what I believe to be true.
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[Brianhjh]

Higdon, that is not a Japanese name, while Eriko is, hmm, you're making shit up.

Although I can't really verify this over the internet, My family did just host two Japanese student for a week, they went back to Japan Yesterday, Ryo and Shunsuke. They couldn't speak any English, but they did use lips to speak Japanese between them, weird, eh?

oh, and Go away.
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[gamefox120]

Dont play Dumb with me.she She is married to a Higdon her maiden name is Watanabe,
gee I thought you were supossed to be smart and could figure out that she had to be married in order to get such a sur name. you must be unfamiliar to japanese names
Eriko is a japanese name I know Im the enthusiast here so back off.

I can see that you only have one last leg to stand on,if you really hosted Japanese
students you would have brought them in for evidence earlier to prove your self right what were there names? can you tell me

In fact Im going to give you a test on names
tell me the origin of these names like were they come from

Mao
Luke
Ling
Miyagi
Temujin
Brutus
Olah
Macevicius
Sakura
Mui hui
Orihime
Paligola
Volgin

Lets see if you can do it.

[Touzoku-joou]

How did this topic go from shitty American animation to who knows more about cultures? I can assure you, even if he [i]wasn't Asian himself[/i], Brian is 50x more cultured that you'll ever be. Just go away and give up; nobody cares about your opinion.
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[Kitzy]

[quote]Dont play Dumb with me.she She is married to a Higdon her maiden name is Watanabe,
gee I thought you were supossed to be smart and could figure out that she had to be married in order to get such a sur name. you must be unfamiliar to japanese names
Eriko is a japanese name I know Im the enthusiast here so back off.

I can see that you only have one last leg to stand on,if you really hosted Japanese
students you would have brought them in for evidence earlier to prove your self right what were there names? can you tell me

In fact Im going to give you a test on names
tell me the origin of these names like were they come from

Mao
Luke
Ling
Miyagi
Temujin
Brutus
Olah
Macevicius
Sakura
Mui hui
Orihime
Paligola
Volgin

Lets see if you can do it.[/quote]

Now why in the world would he have to? This isn't about evidence on his part, and you've strayed far off topic, meaning you've already lost the point you were trying to make. Maybe if you spent less time whining about other things and bringin irrelevant information into your topic, you wouldn't have started this debate.



Anime is just cartoons made in Japan, usually made cheaply to sell merchandise to children. Want to prove me wrong? I dare you to find an anime series that doesn't have merchandise.
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[gamefox120]

(sigh)
How many times am I going too have too say this
I hate Psudomei!!!! Not the works of WB or Disney I love that crap too.
Im talking about Imitated Anime thats gets more reconized than the Original thing
It gets on my nerves! thats my argument now all of you Forum elders and site helpers
can tell me to die or to go away but it wont happen. I will type what I want how I want
The embarrassing thing to do is to easily give up your POV none of you can lecture me,
none of you can change my mind or change the way I feel about this. my argument is a stigma on this web site. in fact one of my motivations to become a anime artist is psuedomei because if i can acheive my goal I can ram that cheap knockoff strait into the ground.

Inuyasha vs Bugs bunny?
well Bugs definitley has better animation,no argument there,
but I do crave the Epics soooooooo
its bugs beating Inu by a Hare
But its kinda Apples and Oranges
How bout you stick to the argument

[Kitzy]

[quote] in fact one of my motivations to become a anime artist is psuedomei because if i can acheive my goal I can ram that cheap knockoff strait into the ground.
[/quote]


But that's the thing. Anything that you create IS pseudomei. You're not a Japanese producer who lives in Japan, so if you mimic the style or the stories, you're just making pseudomei.

I think what you're not seeing is that you can make non-anime that has the same concepts of anime. You -can- make an epic show that's not anime, and chances are, you'll succeed better than if you made an epic anime.
Those shows that are pseudomei actually break the mode of your typical, run-of-the-mill anime by changing the theme and flat characters into Westernized characters.
The only thing that's really annoying about the shows is the fact that they mimic the anime expressions and style.
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[Brianhjh]

[quote="gamefox120"]Dont play Dumb with me.she She is married to a Higdon her maiden name is Watanabe,
gee I thought you were supossed to be smart and could figure out that she had to be married in order to get such a sur name. you must be unfamiliar to japanese names. [/quote]

I never believed that you had a Japanese aunt in the first place, because I don't believe that anyone is inane enough to claim their aunt's entire ethnic background use ventriloquist technique to speak in their culture, but apparently, I was wrong.

[quote]
students you would have brought them in for evidence earlier to prove your self right what were there names? can you tell me
[/quote]

Do you even fucking read? I said I had them leave Canada the day I wrote the reply, even then, it doesn't matter because I'm not proving anything by making them reply to you, they'll just laugh, using their lips, probably. Their name was Ryo Aoki and Shunsuke... something, don't remember the last name for that one.

You're not proving anything by mentioning your aunt either, give me a page in the web saying that Japanese language DON'T require lips to move, come on, do it, pussy.

oh and:

Mao - Mandarin
Luke - Hebrew
Ling - Cantonese-Mandarin
Miyagi - Japanese
Temujin - Mongolian
Brutus - Latin
Olah - Slavic
Macevicius - Latin
Sakura - Japanese
Mui hui - Vietnamese
Orihime - Japanese
Paligola
Volgin - Russian

I find your choice of names pathetic, because I can just see where you get names from. You're shooting in the dark trying to prove me wrong while not defending any of your point. Pseudomei is here to stay, and there's nothing you can do about it. And Spoiler: No one cares what you have to say.
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[gamefox120]

Yes I know I may not be japanese,and I have thought about this problem
but you see kitzy I have payed close attention to the way manga is drawn and how Anime is sequenced. now theres nothing wrong taking American Ideas and using the Anime art style to draw it, I my self had the idea of using American tall tales for a story line many times. I have tried to learn how the people in Japan do this and Ive tried to follow it to the letter. This should not be about Race or national origin.

Im trying very hard to get my career of the ground.
Im using school,Home practice,the Internet...
when I make it Ill try to make it full fledged anime.

[Brianhjh]

You'll never speak Japanese
[b]
Leave learning Japanese to people who are fluent in their own mother tongue, kthxby. Oh, and learn how to speak without moving your lips[/b]

You'll never make Anime
[b]
Like we keep saying, you'll never get your idea off the ground, no one will support you. You'll never get a genuine anime studio to spend a quarter of a million dollars per episode to animate your "story".
[/b]


[quote]I have payed close attention to the way manga is drawn and how Anime is sequenced. now theres nothing wrong taking American Ideas and using the Anime art style to draw it, I my self had the idea of using American tall tales for a story line many times. I have tried to learn how the people in Japan do this and Ive tried to follow it to the letter. This should not be about Race or national origin. [/quote]

have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, these pseudomei producers were trying to do exactly the same thing you're trying to do? You THINK you can do better, but I will bet my money that you can't. Even though anime has worse animation, they're superior in advertising, side-market such as doujinshi, and universal appeal due to its wide range of subject. It's a billion-dollar a year industry!, open to people who grew up with it, and with a college degree in animation and commercial art. The Anime market is already saturated. There is just no room for people like you.
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[gamefox120]

Ok dude, You do not even know me!
so dont tell me what I can or cannot do
I will go to Dallas to get Information on the biz
Animators will always be needed,it is a special skill and I have that skill
Ive made cartoons before
And what is this ventriloquist crap you keep talk talking about?
of course they open their mouth
when I said their lips dont move I meant that their lips curve very seldom.
they dont say the B sound like us nor do they use P all that much

by the way congradulations
you probably typed in the names on google
but no matter you still missed...
2
Mui hui is actually Hawaii
Paligola is Aztec

I WILL NOT VANISH!!
thats what you want.

[gamefox120]

Ok dude, You do not even know me!
so dont tell me what I can or cannot do
I will go to Dallas to get Information on the biz
Animators will always be needed,it is a special skill and I have that skill
Ive made cartoons before
And what is this ventriloquist crap you keep talk talking about?
of course they open their mouth
when I said their lips dont move I meant that their lips curve very seldom.
they dont say the B sound like us nor do they use P all that much

by the way congratulations
you probably typed in the names on google
but no matter you still missed...
2
Mui hui is actually Hawaii
Paligola is Aztec

I WILL NOT VANISH!!
thats what you want.

[Kitzy]

gamefox, those names have nothing to do with your point.





By the way, you'll have no success in the Japanese Anime department. Stick to flash animations.
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