Linkin Park

[the_CrEePiE]

okay then, here it goes:

i like linkin park because i love the way chester sings, and i believe the rap comes in at the perfect time, and i LIKE their guitar work, and just the way they put the songs together, and i can relate to their music.

they're all hotties!

i studied their lives and i respect them as people, too! Infact one of em's got a 2 yr old kid named Draven Sabstian Bennington! but anywayz- There's no song of theirs that i don't love!

............and that's why i like- i mean- LOVE- linkin park.
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[ragingflea002]

[quote="the_CrEePiE (Jissy Collie)"] hm... okay, i DID admit that meteora could have used a little more work, but has any one notice the subject says LINKIN PARK and not I HATE LINKIN PARK so, wouldn't it be about any thots you have regarding LINKIN PARK? [/quote]
Don't try to change my subject. If I came right out and said "I HATE LINKIN PARK", you fans wouldn't be coming here, would you?

Chester doesn't sing. He raps. Mike Shinoda sings. About the same stuff. Over.

And over.
And over.

He sang the same song over and over and over again. It's the same s**t.

Now, here's something for each and every one of you to ponder.

LP stole from RATM.

It's true. The opening riff from "Somewhere I Belong"? Stolen from RATM's "Calm Like A Bomb". It's only a single string on the D string (7-7-7-10-7) but it's the exact same thing. Their attempt at the "metal" genre is s**t.

They're pop. And sh*tty pop at that.

I hope some of you are angry because I love a good rant.
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[chaosmega]

I've never heard RATM so I can't argue any point on it.

Linkin Park's style might not appeal to you, I understand that, but I still can't really see how they compare to Avril Lavigne (though I might just be stupid.)

Now some one you can't compare to Linkin Park is a band called audioslave. They are so much better. They have solos and they never repeat themselves in their songs. They are very original. I can't say the same for Linkin Park. Their message is always "Poor me, You won't leave me alone" in meteora. Their best album was probably Hybrid theory. You know, there are two songs that have NO singing whatsoever. Cure for the itch is all intrumental. Session isn't bad either.

So, flea, how long have you loathed Linkin Park?

[ragingflea002]

Audioslave isn't punk. It's hard rock. Here's something for you. Audioslave is Rage Against the Machine, with Chris Cornell on vocals instead of de la Rocha.

LP is comparable to Avril because they sing about depressing s**t, their guitar skills are roughly the same, and they're both pop punk posers.

I know what I say.

I hated LP the moment I bought Meteora. Big mistake of mine. I hated the s**t from Hybrid Theory they played on 98X too.

That means I've hated them for roughly....3 years.

And trust me, I know what I say. Telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, well, that's just bullshit. I'm not saying you have, but I've seen it before.
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[chaosmega]

Hey! Don't diss Audioslave!
I only have Meteora and rarely listen to it.

LP is different from avril lavigne because she doesn't sing about depressing crap, she sings about "Oh I'm such a bad ass punk wannabe and I want you to listen to my pathetic cries for attention!" where Linkin Park is saying "Get of my back leave me alone I'm so sick of you go away" or something like that.

Their style is quetionable, but oh well. you don't hear people pointing out every flaw of RATM to piss people off.

Man this is fun!

[Riyo]

Wow, a lot of good points in this topic...

But is it just me or is Linkin Park getting really whiny in a few of their lyrics? It's almost always, "Poor me, I'm so sad, help me, listen to me, poor me!" <_<

It's starting to get on my nerves... It's kind of like how Blink-182 ans Simple PLan are always whining about [b]something[/b] in their songs and it seems like LP, B-182, and SP aren't musically talented, like Flea and fallen are saying(excpet about Sp and B-182 I don't know what they think of them..).

So I think the final point of this topic is: You can like a band, but that doesn't change how good they are, [b]or[/b] It doesn't matter how good or bad the band is you can't like them or hate them as long as you know how bad/good their talent is despite how you like/hate them.

I don't know, that's what the point of this topic kind of feels like so yeah...
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[ragingflea002]

[quote="chaosmega (chaos)"] 1.Hey! Don't diss Audioslave!
I only have Meteora and rarely listen to it.

2.LP is different from avril lavigne because she doesn't sing about depressing crap, she sings about "Oh I'm such a bad ass punk wannabe and I want you to listen to my pathetic cries for attention!" where Linkin Park is saying "Get of my back leave me alone I'm so sick of you go away" or something like that.

3.Their style is quetionable, but oh well. you don't hear people pointing out every flaw of RATM to piss people off.

4.Man this is fun! [/quote]
1. I didn't. I like Audioslave. Morello and Timmy C. still kick ass, Wilk is awesome as ever, and Soundgarden's Chris Cornell is on vocals.

Awesome.

2. No, they aren't all that different. Avril's said some depressing s**t. Very similar in styles.

3. You do because RATM was the first and only Rap/Metal band. But because RATM would switch from upbeat rhyming to slower, sometimes near quiet songs(until de la Rocha hit the chorus') and they covered the Stones, Springsteen, and Dylan, they've just been classified as Metal.

4. It is. I have much fun doing these things. Fallen knows.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[chaosmega]

Sorry, I'm not running on full right now. Thought you were dissen. srry.


The one difference between LP and AL is AL is a WANNABE in every aspect. Linkin Park doesn't really give a damn. LP might pick up the pace a little if they put out another album. I think they didn't have real great music this time 'round because they were in a rush to get it done.

(Chris Cornell RULES!)

[ragingflea002]

LP is wannabe metal. Both are wannabes.


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[the_CrEePiE]

[quote="ragingflea002 (Flea)"] LP is wannabe metal. Both are wannabes. [/quote]
oppinion!
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[ragingflea002]

Maybe, but that opinion is backed by many anti Avril and LP groups.

By the way, LP still is one bad band. Bad guitar, repetitive, annoying lyrics, and a DJ.

Scratching on records makes my skin crawl.


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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[the_CrEePiE]

[quote="ragingflea002 (Flea)"] Maybe, but that opinion is backed by many anti Avril and LP groups.

By the way, LP still is one bad band. Bad guitar, repetitive, annoying lyrics, and a DJ.

Scratching on records makes my skin crawl. [/quote]
ooooooooooooooo! And i have a bazooka!(NOT! i so fooled you!), and do you see those crowds out there at those concerts! they were like the best touring people of lke last summer, so in yo face!
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[ragingflea002]

Be mature about it.

I think you need some Guns N' Roses, Velvet Revolver, Zepplin, Ramones, Nirvana, Soundgarden, and RATM in your system and listen to bands infanately better than Linkin Park.

Thir concerts kick LP's sad rich boy ass.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[the_CrEePiE]

[quote="ragingflea002 (Flea)"] Be mature about it.

I think you need some Guns N' Roses, Velvet Revolver, Zepplin, Ramones, Nirvana, Soundgarden, and RATM in your system and listen to bands infanately better than Linkin Park.

Thir concerts kick LP's sad rich boy ass. [/quote]
um, for your info, I DO LISTEN TO ALL OF THAT! Linkin park isn't all i listen to, it's just my prime favorite. But did you know i'm not aloud to go to concerts anyways(i have gone to one, tho) because i'm treated like i'm 4?!?
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[ragingflea002]

Ok, so you like all of those, yet you like Linkin Park above Gn'R and Zepplin?

I assume you like Inside Out as well.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[fallenangel]

Flea, how dare you bring Axl into a topic about LP. Spank yourself. Now.

Ahh, I'm getting tired of this topic. 'Cause people have either missed the point, are denying the point, or agree and have nothing else to say. Flea pretty much covered it in his first post, and no one has been able to counter anything he said. Just a bunch of nutswinging.

[quote]The one difference between LP and AL is AL is a WANNABE in every aspect. Linkin Park doesn't really give a damn. [/quote]

Yes they do give a damn. A very big damn. About $$$$$. You don't think that "I don't give a damn" persona sells? People love rebels, and the more they can appear to be saying "fuck you", the more records they'll sell. They aren't quite as conceptualized as Avril, who was molded and airbrushed by the label the instant she was signed, but they're still cashing in big time on their little bandwagon ride. N' again, does that mean you can't like them? No. Would it automatically make them a bad band? No. But combined with everything else that's been said, it's just another negative.

We're not saying LP and Avril write the exact same things. They write the same way. Cliche stereotypes that can be related to by millions of angsty teenagers. Writing a stereotype does not automatically mean they suck, but they write such horrible cliches and write them badly. That's the problem. They are NOT good lyricists but they still sell because the cliche still sells.

Concert figures mean nothing. Know how popular The Monkees were? That doesn't make them a good band. Anyone who's still trying to scrape evidence off the floor to support LP really needs to go reread the thread and figure out what the issue even is. [b]No one cares if you like, hate, or want to have LP's bastard children.[/b] If you can't come up with some [i]facts[/i] to support them either being a good or bad band, take it elsewhere.

Please.

Riyo got it spot on about what the thread is about.
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[Papercut_Dragon]

(Back to the origonal thing about the chords....)

Had a short but rather informative disscusion today at school with a guitarist about chords and Linkin Park. He even demonstrated the difference of chords on his guitar: he played parts of Numb and some song by Candlebox. Lol, Linkin Park's sounded really easy... he even showed me how to play a couple of their chords, and I could do them. O.o He said something about them weak/simple chord progressions, too.

Heh, if you've seen the guitarist playing, he mostly just stands around and spits.

Sorry Flea, but it [i]is[/i] Chester who sings and Mike who raps... there's a song in Chester's first band where he raps, and he sucks at it.
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[fallenangel]

Yep. LP, Blink 182, Good Charlotte, any of the nu-metal/pop-punk songs are easy as hell. And before anyone replies with "well so what?! Something doesn't have to be hard to be good" we've already established their lyrics are bad, and your personal preferences mean nothing. So what's left?

Bad lyrics
mediocre guitar playing
mediocre musicianship

That makes them a bad band. Sorry, but it does. You like them, woohoo, that's great you have something you can love. But it [i]still[/i] doesn't make them good.

A band can be perfectly good with simple guitar work, there's no rule that says they all have to be gods. But the problem is the simple guitar work has to enhance good lyrics. Everyone always gives the Nirvana example. "well Nirvana had simple guitar! Does that mean they suck too?!" No. Because the simple guitar enhanced the writing and the point of the music, which was that a well written song doesn't need a two minute guitar solo or a bunch of glitter. LP isn't doing that. Good Charlotte isn't doing that. None of today's bands are doing that, nor do they have a reason to do that because the "Average Joe" trend has been going on for a decade.

Simplicity can work, but it's not working for modern MTV bands.
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[the_CrEePiE]

[quote="fallenangel (fallen)"] Yep. LP, Blink 182, Good Charlotte, any of the nu-metal/pop-punk songs are easy as hell. [/quote]
yes, but it's all good for begginers, i guess, as for me- the only thing new i ever play on my stratocaster is Linkin Park, cuz i just HATE good charlotte, they write a bunch of nothing just to fill up a stupid album, and the singer can't even sing a good slow song, but on the other hand, Linkin park is fun because i like to sing and play the guitar, so what's better than a little of both?!? especially when it's linkin park, but how easy for you to play their music doesn't determine how good a band is. I know, most all of you HATE rap, and so do i- i just believe that this rap's put in the right place, so i like it. And like fallen said, a band can be pretty good with simple guitar work.
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[fallenangel]

It may be good for beginners, but a band on a major record label should be coming up with something a tad more...unique/special/original than something most of the guitar-owning world could play. Like how many people can play the riff to Iron Man? But that's only one song, a nice catchy song that's a good beginner song, but it's not all Tony wrote. When an artist's entire career is writing those kinds of songs...well...just more evidence for Flea's first post.


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