What Are Most Are You Artist Goals In Life?

Brianhjh · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:07 am Post subject:

Alison, you have a strange tendency of wanting pity in every one of your posts.

anyway, it seems as if IB Art Grade 11-12 isn't as good as I thought it was, I can still change it to Chemistry.... screw it.

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Gameglitch · Very bored Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 211

[quote="Lizkay (E. K.)"] And there is always the thought behind such jobs, You are REPLACEABLE there will be always someone better than you, but that's kind of a fight you have to go through.. So well hate me for it Wink

but I hope you don't do so [/quote]
Agreed: As I have seen artists work out on the net that overshadow this whole site. But on a second note, It seems that its not always pure talent, but a combination of a lot of qualities that an artist is required. There are artists that are good at just one thing only. I think the industry likes an artist that is very flexible, I Bet they take an artist that can do almost every kind of style and do it well, then an artist that can do amazing human portraits, and thats it. Sometimes its not the art at all, that makes them good, but rather the humour behind the art. Like the old Flint Stones cartoons they were on the air for a long time and their art was not super amazing but it did well. Or what about the longest running cartoon The Simpsons, though Im not much of a fan of them but they have been on the air since I was only in grade school! Though I guess a narrow able artist can get fortunate and happen to get into something that just so happen to be what they do, but I think its a lot less likely.

Inu-chan_rox_mah_sox · Has No Life Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 452

Yes, it is a strange habit isn't it? I don't even realize when I post it. O.o' *shrugs*

1_4lvl · Member Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 87

I'd like to say something about the whole getting into the Japanese anime feild thing...

It's nearly impossible for all the resons stated before, but there's one major aspect of the Japanese culture many people have forgotten and that's the fact that they don't really like outsiders- and their veiws on social standings are totally diferent from our own.

The Japanese culture tends to be xenophobic- In other words, they don't like forigners. It's changed in recent years, but many people would still preffer to hire a Japanese person over an American. Also, their culture is based on clearly set social standings. Everyone has a clear veiw of where they are in society based on family, age, and what "group" they belong to. That is, are you a classmate, teacher/boss, family member, adult, child, or a stranger? The most widely known example of this would be suffixes like "chan," "kun," "san" and "sensei". Contrary to popular beliefe, there are some pretty strict rules as to how to use them.

This might not seem like a big deal to us forigners, but how you speak depends on what "rank" you are compared to the person your speaking to(multiple verb conjuctions and multiple verbs depending on who you're talking about). I've been taking Japanese for 3+ years and I haven't gotten the hang of it. I know people who've taken it for twice as long as I have, and they still don't really get it. The only people I know who get it are either Japanese natives themselves, or have been studying the language for a very large portion of their life.

I'm not trying to sound like an expert on Japanese culture here, because I'm definatly NOT. I've just had a bit of formal instruction on how the culture works as it aplies to the spoken and writen language. And as for actualy learning Japanese, it's not really as hard as many people think it is. It just takes alot of practice and mostly determination.

If you WANT to go to Japan and try to become a manga-ka, I'd say it's nearly impossible because of their culture. Think about it, manga and anime revolves around japanese culture- even though it is often romantisized. Would you want someone who has preconcived romantisized notions about the way we live coming over here and writing stories about teenagers, full of refferences to their own culture that's very unlike our own? I think it's be a tad bit strange- and not in a good way.

I'm not saying don't try. If it's your dream, go for it, because if you don't you'll regret doing so all your life, but just don't be totally shocked when you find that it isn't as great as you thought it would be.

And if you wish, ignore my little rant-like thing if you want. Or you can argue, I don't care.

As for the question in the first post- My artistic future is pretty much laid out for the next few years. I'm taking more private classes, working harder, and getting myself into a good art school and probably major in illustration, animation, or sequencial art... Or maybe I'll go the illogical way and major in painting and wind up with no job. I'd really love to do the last thing, but yeah, it's very illogical, the chances of me making it are slim to none, and I'd rather not paint because I need to pay rent on time.

Oh, and please forgive any major spelling errors. This computer doesn't have spell check and my human spell check has taken the day off... Thank you!

Brianhjh · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject:

just get hired by an American comic company and hope that your style will be liked, the end.

and oh, remember, Art is more friendly as a hobby then your lifeline. Don't depend on it too much.
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antaries · My First Post! Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 1

(ignoring the conversation at hand)

I love to draw but I need more pratice with making things more realistic...it's kinda hard to shade in certain parts just right and keep everything in harmony. My greatest goal is to make art that will be fetured in shows, art gallerys, art shows, anime, manga, ect.
My heart years to make a thing of beauty and know it's mine...kinda like when you do something that takes a long time for it to get notices but it get's notices after years of waiting I want my art to soar higher than anyones, but its so hard to keep it the way I want it. But all in all I keep trying because I want my art to excel....I will keep trying for my art to excel.

Inu-chan_rox_mah_sox · Has No Life Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 452

Yeah, I know all about the "chan", "kun", "san", "sama", and "sensei" thing. I've read enough manga to know. ^^'' Anyways, you have a good point about Japanese people not being that friendly towards foreigners. I understand that. All I can do is go with it, and hope for the best. ^_^

1_4lvl · Member Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 87

[quote] Yeah, I know all about the "chan", "kun", "san", "sama", and "sensei" thing. I've read enough manga to know. ^^'' Anyways, you have a good point about Japanese people not being that friendly towards foreigners. I understand that. All I can do is go with it, and hope for the best. happy.gif[/quote]

But that's only the mildest case... There's 5 different ways to say "give" depending on who you're giving to. 3 different ways to say "recieve" depending on who gave and who received... Now THAT gets confusing.

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and oh, remember, Art is more friendly as a hobby then your lifeline. Don't depend on it too much.[/quote]

Which is exactly why I'm not going to major in painting... I love it too much to do something like that to it. I'm probably going to go into animation because I'm actualy pretty good at it, and it does utilize my artistic skills. My painting teacher was an art major in college, and he's the most skilled framer in our city...There's alot of stuff you can do in the art world without making a living off of art.

Inu-chan_rox_mah_sox · Has No Life Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 452

Yeah I know. Anything beyond "sama" and I'm lost. @_@ lol. I guess manga is just a lil fantasy thing. Right now, with my skill level, I'm content to do my own style and my own things during free time.

fallenangel · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject:

Manga is equivalent to kids who wanna be super heros. It really is. It seems possible until you know better, but even then there's people who dream of doing it.

[i]But[/i] it's just as unlikely as becoming Superman. I only know of a very tiny amount of Americans who successfully work in Japan, and they're in the product design field, so the fact they're not from the Japanese culture works. 'Cause they're marketing the cell phone, car, etc. to Americans. With anime, it's entirely different.

By all means, keep your dream, but devoting all your time to learning anime and perfecting it is shooting yourself in the foot if you want ANY art career. Keep the dream, but expand your options and work on getting better in all the other areas of art too.
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