Psuedomei, anyone disgusted by it around here?

gamefox120 · Very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 233

I don't do Flash I actually animate frame by frame using PAP.
What does every one have against Me and My dream?

This is something Ive always wanted to do, this isn't some Fad for me. I intend to take this to as far as I can.

and kitzy ,don't tell me what I am capable of thats something only God is to decide.

Kitzy · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject:

[quote]I don't do Flash I actually animate frame by frame using PAP.
What does every one have against Me and My dream?

This is something Ive always wanted to do, this isn't some Fad for me. I intend to take this to as far as I can.

and kitzy ,don't tell me what I am capable of thats something only God is to decide.[/quote]

But you don't seem to grasp the fact that you're not a Japanese producer, no matter how much you pray or hope. You can't just magically turn Japanese and create a series.

If you want to get anywhere in animation, do something better with yourself. Make something original, not just something that's so mass-produced and stale that everyone wants to do it.
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Touzoku-joou · Oldbie Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2399 Location: interweb

Or work for a company. You're not going to animate any shows by yourself, no matter how big your dream is.
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Fayore · Moderator Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 6195

zomg I lol'd. A lot.

While I still remember, what does ethnicity have to do with spoken language? Sure they're correlated, but surely you're not implying that ethnicity causes spoken language?

'cause I know a lot of Japanese people who can't speak Japanese. On the other hand, one of my previous Japanese teachers was African yet she spoke perfect Japanese. Strange world we live in, eh?

Ahem.

Re: Making an "anime" animation in NA.

Not going to happen, lolo. I remember one of the instructors/portfolio assesment guys at AI was practically crying because there were so many applicants with anime portfolios. There's too many people like you in the market already; no one wants to take any more on just because there's just so damn much of it. You'll never be an animator if you think you'll get to do anime one day.

Oh, and spoiler: animators don't draw their own story, they draw someone else's story. Just because you do "anime" art doesn't mean a thing; I don't really see why you brought it up in the first place.

Oh, and the older Japanese generation hate gaijin. The only non-Japanese animators I've ever seen that's worked on an anime are either from Hong Kong or Korea, and they can probably speak Japanese fairly decently. Enough to get with a big company, anyway. Haven't ever seen a non-asian work on an anime production in the animation parts. I think they're still bitter about the bomb you launched on them way back when.

Like someone else mentioned, the people who make the "pseudomei" (which, ironically, doesn't do the actual pronounciation of the word "anime" any justice) are probably people like you: they like anime but that's all they can heave out.

Anime is just a new fad and that's why there's so much of it; like Jooukun mentioned, America's a capitalist society and will not hesitate to cash in on the newest trends.

[quote]when I said their lips dont move I meant that their lips curve very seldom.[/quote]
お前、馬鹿な事を言わないで下さい～ OTL

It's the unique combination of lip movement and tongue movement/location that makes the sounds. 8O

And yeah, most anime series to have crummy animation. There's very few studios who have excellent series animation, but it's so incredibly expensive to have good animation for a series that they rarely make a series longer than thirteen episodes. Think of it this way: a movie may have millions of dollars to spend on their production, but they only have to animate anywhere from around 80 mins to 120 mins. How many minutes are in a thirteen episode series if each episode, not including the recurring opening and ending sequences, are 20-22 minutes long? Anime series are cheap because they have to be. They don't really have budgets any larger than American companies; their animation isn't really any better than that of American companies.

Like Kitzy already mentioned, the animation quality is not very high. It just seems better than stuff you're used to because American companies are trying to shave that last couple bucks off the bill and as a result, produce stuff that's of a seemingly lower quality. And kids like it anyway, so they don't care about upping the quality. Hence Joou's capitalist nation stuff. The older stuff from the nineties were much, much more animated. Gay for Cybersix, ya know.

Etcetera.

But ya know... If you're so desperate to prove you have a story to tell, why don't you start with something small, like a web doujin? Like that dick's "MegaTokyo"*. Then you see how assrapingly hard this stuff is to do. Especially if you want interested readers, you'll have to have unique art. And if you're watching stuff like Samurai Champloo or Inuyasha, I guarantee you haven't got one. Especially with all this garbled junk of an "argument" I've been hearing...

[size=8]*I do not condone reading this web comic as it destroys brain cells[/size]

SilverKitsune · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject:

[quote="gamefox120"]I don't do Flash I actually animate frame by frame using PAP.
What does every one have against Me and My dream?

This is something Ive always wanted to do, this isn't some Fad for me. I intend to take this to as far as I can.

and kitzy ,don't tell me what I am capable of thats something only God is to decide.[/quote]

Well Kid, I AM god, so I guess it's all for me to decide, aint it?
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gamefox120 · Very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 233

Did every one here think I was saying that I was Going to start out
a Producer? thats not what I meant, I Know I will have to animate other peoples stuff
and if I will ever get to do it that will be just as good to me.
crow and kitzy are right However, Styles have been getting unoriginal, its a problem.
But I have a Solution, why not Furries? I know alot of people draw them But there has not been really any thing out there thats Official. I am making a Dojin Right now involving Furries, Now I know there are some things out there but Its not a unoriginal thing yet

The subject of the Dojin is wavering between the aviation days of WWI
or the present day Aviation setting with fictional countries.

I know its hard But you see I can do Other things rather than draw anime
I also like to draw still life. My portfolio isn't all just anime, I just prefer it the most.

I talked to a art instructor from an art Collage, He is going to teach me next semester. He said that I have good talent and said with work I could be a good animator.
You people could support me a little more its not like I am a complete idiot Who just wants to draw Anime just because he saw it on TV.
the truth is I've always wanted to draw, Anime just gave me a Direction.

by the way I meant THE GOD, not you Kitsune

Fayore · Moderator Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 6195

[quote="gamefox120"]I am making a Dojin Right now involving Furries, Now I know there are some things out there but Its not a unoriginal thing yet
[/quote]

Uh, http://www.belfry.com/comics/ , http://www.thewebcomiclist.com/browse.php?genre=1

And that's just pulling the first two links off Google's search for "furry webcomics". :l

[quote]I talked to a art instructor from an art Collage, He is going to teach me next semester. He said that I have good talent and said with work I could be a good animator. [/quote]

Spoiler: he just wants your money

Brianhjh · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject:

If what he signed up for youtube is right, this kid is 18, a full year older than me. This saddens me greatly. Sad

Now going back to studying Biology and Chemistry to enter a workforce that matters...
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SilverKitsune · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject:

[quote="gamefox120"]Did every one here think I was saying that I was Going to start out
a Producer? thats not what I meant, I Know I will have to animate other peoples stuff
and if I will ever get to do it that will be just as good to me.
crow and kitzy are right However, Styles have been getting unoriginal, its a problem.
But I have a Solution, why not Furries? I know alot of people draw them But there has not been really any thing out there thats Official. I am making a Dojin Right now involving Furries, Now I know there are some things out there but Its not a unoriginal thing yet

The subject of the Dojin is wavering between the aviation days of WWI
or the present day Aviation setting with fictional countries.

I know its hard But you see I can do Other things rather than draw anime
I also like to draw still life. My portfolio isn't all just anime, I just prefer it the most.

I talked to a art instructor from an art Collage, He is going to teach me next semester. He said that I have good talent and said with work I could be a good animator.
You people could support me a little more its not like I am a complete idiot Who just wants to draw Anime just because he saw it on TV.
the truth is I've always wanted to draw, Anime just gave me a Direction.

by the way I meant THE GOD, not you Kitsune[/quote]

I am the god . Scary isnt it?
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SilverKitsune · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject:

[quote="SilverKitsune"][quote="gamefox120"]Did every one here think I was saying that I was Going to start out
a Producer? thats not what I meant, I Know I will have to animate other peoples stuff
and if I will ever get to do it that will be just as good to me.
crow and kitzy are right However, Styles have been getting unoriginal, its a problem.
But I have a Solution, why not Furries? I know alot of people draw them But there has not been really any thing out there thats Official. I am making a Dojin Right now involving Furries, Now I know there are some things out there but Its not a unoriginal thing yet

The subject of the Dojin is wavering between the aviation days of WWI
or the present day Aviation setting with fictional countries.

I know its hard But you see I can do Other things rather than draw anime
I also like to draw still life. My portfolio isn't all just anime, I just prefer it the most.

I talked to a art instructor from an art Collage, He is going to teach me next semester. He said that I have good talent and said with work I could be a good animator.
You people could support me a little more its not like I am a complete idiot Who just wants to draw Anime just because he saw it on TV.
the truth is I've always wanted to draw, Anime just gave me a Direction.

by the way I meant THE GOD, not you Kitsune[/quote]

I am <i>the god</i> . Scary isnt it?[/quote]
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SilverKitsune · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject:

Sorry for the double post.
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gamefox120 · Very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 233

Well,Hate to break this to ya but there WEB COMIX
there nothing well known Crow
I am talking about The Big time!
I bet there all about fantasy arnt they?
or somthing like that
and besides Im not paying the Advanced art teacher anything!
He is doing this because My school is paying him. Plus Im not getting a grade
for my report card This is for building a resume only.

Chemistry? Pff you really are a Nerd Brian
it saddens me that you would choose that over something Adventurous
At least I have a Vivid dream, not a Dull effort
Making people Happy through animation is a workforce that matters Idiot.

so yeah go play with your vials and chemicals boy

Kitsune your a card.....

Brianhjh · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject:

Chemistry is nerdish? oh wow, never did I hear such an imbecile. Chemistry, Physics, Biology is the three sciences you need for a medical program or any other program that deals with sciences in Universities. You need all levels of math and English too, but those are mandatory for all students anyway Rolling Eyes

.

What's adventurous? living in your mom's basement trying to make something that NO ONE WANTS? You'll never get anyone to watch your show, or whatever faggy that you wish to create. Even with a "vivid" dream, it's kind of hard to sell shit in a box even if you tell your sad story about how much work was taken in creating that shit.

With the demographic shift in North America and East Asia, Pharmaceuticals and general Medicine is the way to go now, rich old sick people LOVE paying money to have more time to get even sicker. and I love Chemistry, and some aspect of Biology, Physics sucks cock, but whatever. Cool

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SilverKitsune · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject:

[quote="gamefox120"]Well,Hate to break this to ya but there WEB COMIX
there nothing well known Crow
I am talking about The Big time!
I bet there all about fantasy arnt they?
or somthing like that
and besides Im not paying the Advanced art teacher anything!
He is doing this because My school is paying him. Plus Im not getting a grade
for my report card This is for building a resume only.

Chemistry? Pff you really are a Nerd Brian
it saddens me that you would choose that over something Adventurous
At least I have a Vivid dream, not a Dull effort
Making people Happy through animation is a workforce that matters Idiot.

so yeah go play with your vials and chemicals boy

Kitsune your a card.....[/quote]

A card. That certainly is a new one that I have never heard before. Anthro is very disturbing by the way. : / .

Well, when I was little, I was a queen of spades, so in a way you are correct. Though, what do you mean by that. It's a new insult. [?]

Well, don't worry my son, all sins are forgiven. amen. [sings]

Ps. It's very hard to believe you're the age you claim to be.
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Touzoku-joou · Oldbie Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2399 Location: interweb

Hey, gamefox. Nobody cares about your sonic artstyle ripoff pictures. We've been skirting around the issue, but face it, you lack the talent to get anywhere in the industry. Solly, try harder.
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Fayore · Moderator Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 6195

[quote="Brianhjh"]What's adventurous? [/quote]
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8D;

gamefox120 · Very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 233

Is that all you got to fling at me now?
Brian If you like Chemistry so much then You must be a nerd.
plain and simple dont deny it. yeah IM the "imbecile"because I dont want to be a Scientist.
And Even if its mandatory It doesnt mean I have to like it,
So cut the snob crap.I will do what I want cause I can, Dont like it? too bad, go to your studies
( living in My mother's basement yeah every one says that to every body.)

Touzoku that style isnt copyrighted I can use If I want to just as long as I dont over do it like try to make My own super fast Hedgehog.
and really, if nobody cares about my work How come every one comes to me for art help at Northwood High. "strange" that every one thinks its cool there.

Kitsune By card I mean your a crazy person.
not in a bad way.(not an Insult)
So you think you can play god Huh?
OK who built Stonhenge?
only the real God would know that one.
DONT USE GOOGLE CHEATER
YEAH SOME PEOPLE THINK THE DRUIDS BUILT EM BUT
THEY DIDNT!!!!
good luck

Fayore? uhhhh....
what?

Brianhjh · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject:

[quote]Brian If you like Chemistry so much then You must be a nerd.
plain and simple dont deny it. yeah IM the "imbecile"because I dont want to be a Scientist. [/quote]

Gamefox120 If you like crappy animation so much then You must be a failure. plain and simple dont deny it, yeah IM the "nerd" because I dont want to be a retard.

Of course, the entire conversation is about these "pseudomei" you don't like it, I don't like it, and it's obvious that it's made by people like you. You want to make something better, but you can't and people who can won't take your script or whatever you call it.

Furries are not mainstream and hard to market, especially when it's not a "family entertainment". You suck at drawing and it seems as if you won't improve. You want to become an animator who can somehow create 20 minutes of animation every single week by yourself and some college person will lead you through, right.

Animation market is already saturated with better and more bitter people, the successful ones are jackasses and loathes mediocrity. The bottom of the barrel are, of course, the pseudomei. Pseudomei is the only part of the ladder of animation you can reach, I'm afraid.

[quote]if nobody cares about my work How come every one comes to me for art help at Northwood High. "strange" that every one thinks its cool there. [/quote]

Oh, and never fall for the "Best in the Class" Syndrome. It's only valid in classes like English and general arts where there is a lot of demand for that skill. It doesn't matter whether you're number 5 or number 1000 best writer in the country, you'll probably get a similar job and enjoy a similar lifestyle. However, this is not same for fine art, or even commercial art. There is a lot of demand for art, and it will never stop. But even the needy don't take the mediocre, if it's not excellent or at par with other companies, they just simply don't have fancy advertising or what have you.

There is no class quota for art, even if you're the best in the school, it doesn't matter if you can't stack up against the entire country, or even the entire Anglophone world. You need to be able to compete with the state and the country to go into what you want to be doing, directing animation, even really crappy ones. If you go downward sprial of "being best in the art class" all you'll accomplish is making mass-produced signs for local mom n' pop restaurant and doing menial job in a crappy advertising firm.

I can safely say I'm the best in my art class, but it doesn't matter. Because I am not going into arts in the first place, the entire job market is rocky, and I'm just NOT THAT GOOD. oh, and competing with people who are one year younger than you (I'm in Grade 11 IB-level art ) isn't a fair comparison. No one in my class knows how to prime canvases before painting, lol.

And no God will save you not matter how many crappy flash animation and anthro yiff yiff story you come up with. The animation market is looking for a new direction and a new style. Currently, some anime studios in Japan and Pixar are doing an admirable job. They do this by not sucking, unlike you.
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SilverKitsune · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject:

[quote="gamefox120"]Is that all you got to fling at me now?
Brian If you like Chemistry so much then You must be a nerd.
plain and simple dont deny it. yeah IM the "imbecile"because I dont want to be a Scientist.
And Even if its mandatory It doesnt mean I have to like it,
So cut the snob crap.I will do what I want cause I can, Dont like it? too bad, go to your studies
( living in My mother's basement yeah every one says that to every body.)

Touzoku that style isnt copyrighted I can use If I want to just as long as I dont over do it like try to make My own super fast Hedgehog.
and really, if nobody cares about my work How come every one comes to me for art help at Northwood High. "strange" that every one thinks its cool there.

Kitsune By card I mean your a crazy person.
not in a bad way.(not an Insult)
So you think you can play god Huh?
OK who built Stonhenge?
only the real God would know that one.
DONT USE GOOGLE CHEATER
YEAH SOME PEOPLE THINK THE DRUIDS BUILT EM BUT
THEY DIDNT!!!!
good luck

Fayore? uhhhh....
what?[/quote]

No need for goole im too lazy.
Irish people did it.
since im god, it is what is true.
I saw your work, good luck in animation, You're gonna need it.
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Squidman · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:29 am Post subject:

Fun fact #1:
The W.I.T.C.H. animated series is made in France and based on the Italian comic written by Elisabetta Gnone. Regardless of how much it looks like an American attempt at Japanese animation, it is - in fact - a European cartoon inspired by a European comic.

Fun Fact #2:
Anthropomorphic animal charaters are not edgy new unexplored territory in the media.
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"Pseudomei", does not appeal to me. However, most regular anime does not appeal to me either. It is not a problem with the budget or framerate, as shows like Metalocalypse and Venture Brothers (animated in flash and/or with limited animation) are some of my favourite cartoons currently in production. Rather it is a general distaste for the big-eyes-small-mouths anime style in general. Granted, the American attempts at anime are usually the more insufferable of the bunch as they tend to overuse anime clichs like "ZOMG BIG ANGRY CHIBI HEADS".
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