Vince Neil And John Corabi

[eclipsedmoongoddess482]

Vince Neil may be the frontman of Motley Crue but John Corabi did take the band in a new direction when they came out with Generation Swine.

How would you compare and contrast these two frontman? Would you say that one is more talented than the other? Keep in mind that John was initially a guitarist first and Vince was the only one who was really a frontman from the beginning.
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[fallenangel]

Generation Swine was a reunion album with Vince after their separation. Corabi sang on the self titled album before it.

I've never liked Corabi much. He took them in a new direction that was popular at the time, but his singing doesn't do much for me. And overall, I think Vince is a more talented singer and performer because he's:

- A stronger singer. Bigger range, vs. Corabi's more grunge/alternative-oriented vocals, which are fine for the music he plays, but doesn't make him a "good" singer.
- More versatile. Over the 25 years, Vince has done very punk-driven songs like a lot off Too Fast For Love, he's done glam metal, hard rock, power ballads, and alternative. His voice is universal.
- And he's a better entertainer. Motley's a show, and Vince is a more energetic showman. Usually. When he's not fat and drunk.

Corabi's fine for the grunge/alternative genre, but he's not right for the Crue, nor is he the best option for a frontman.
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[eclipsedmoongoddess482]

Yeah, I agree with the points you made. Corabi was just appropriate for the type of rock that was in at the time. I listened to some of the Corabi songs on the trip back and all I concluded was that they sucked. Not all because of Corabi though. Nikki was a trend lyric whore back then and still is. He was trying too hard to be like Nine Inch Nails and some grunge rockers.

Lyrically the songs were weak. That was hard for Crabs too deal with too because they weren't even soudning like the Crue anymore. Mick had it hard too because the managers were blaming him for a lot of reasons why the album wasn't doing well.

It was a hard time for the Crue.

I just got [i]The Dirt[/i] last week and finished it yesterday. It was a really great read. Felt sorry for Mick though. He never really did enjoy being in the band until the end of the New Tattoo tour.
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[fallenangel]

Has Nikki ever had integrity? I don't think so. He's always wanted to [i]be[/i] something, be KISS, be whoever, and he's almost always one step ahead of everyone else. He'll jump on a trend and jump right back off before it sinks. Motley went glam then quickly went in the new Dr. Feelgood direction before hair bands got old and tired. Grunge became popular, and he jumped on that with Corabi before quickly moving on to a more alternative/hard rock direction with songs like Afraid.

They didn't originate much of anything after the early days. They just rode the trends and did them bigger and better than everyone else. Even in their lower points (If I Die Tomorrow, the Corabi album, 90s alternative with Generation Swine, etc.) they still did it better than the others doing the same thing. If I Die Tomorrow is still better than the pieces of complete crap the pop punk bands churn out. It sucks, but it sucks less with their musical talent.

Which, I'm afraid, is part of the problem with people wanting them to go back to the Too Fast For Love or Dr. Feelgood sound. That's old, Nikki hardly ever goes [i]backwards[/i]. But hell, in '87 if you said they were going to do alternative, I'd have thought it would suck balls, but I really like Afraid and several of their late 90s songs. He just makes it work.

So, should they survive after this tour and manage to release the all new record they've been mentioning, I still have faith that Nikki will manage to pull a halfway decent album out his ass. Not another Dr. Feelgood, even Aerosmith will never top their high points, but a decent one.

And yes, The Dirt is the best book.....ever. "The Bible's a pretty good book, but The Dirt is way up there" - Sebastian. I'm afraid of the movie. Because I just know it's going to suck incredibly hard. Tommy may be a douchebag, but he's not the level of Ashton Kutcher. You just can't find four people to play them. And all the best parts will be cut out or "implied" because they're too explicit.

Boring. Not authentic. Completely ruins what makes the book great. :(


And on a completely unrelated note, I have a cell phone now, getting ready for the move, but it's cheap and has no ability to get pictures on it. However, I convinced my dad to let me spend $1.75 on the phone bill to purchase one wallpaper credit and put a lovely Nikki picture. The ugly default papers were making me sad. :wub:
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[eclipsedmoongoddess482]

[quote]Has Nikki ever had integrity?  I don't think so. He's always wanted to be something, be KISS, be whoever, and he's almost always one step ahead of everyone else. He'll jump on a trend and jump right back off before it sinks. Motley went glam then quickly went in the new Dr. Feelgood direction before hair bands got old and tired. Grunge became popular, and he jumped on that with Corabi before quickly moving on to a more alternative/hard rock direction with songs like Afraid. [/quote]

Yeah he is a trend whore. At least it never went to the extent of Tommy Lee. Its like Vince said, "Tommy is a chameleon. He'll blend in with whatever is cool at the time. If hip hop is what's cool then he's into hip hop. If punk rock is in, then he's a punk rocker." And unlike Nikki, Tommy Lee couldnt' do any of those better or bigger and he should have stuck to what made him famous in the first place which was the drums and sticking with the Crue.

[quote]So, should they survive after this tour and manage to release the all new record they've been mentioning, I still have faith that Nikki will manage to pull a halfway decent album out his ass. Not another Dr. Feelgood, even Aerosmith will never top their high points, but a decent one.[/quote]

I'm actually looking foward to the new album if they decide to make one. It all depends on how Vince and Tommy get along and whether or not Mick will have the endurance and energy to continue touring and making the album. I hope that if they do go with one of today's rock trends, then they should try to stick with something other than the pop rock trend because you know Tommy is going to jump on that bandwagon if he thinks its popular enough.


[quote]And yes, The Dirt is the best book.....ever. "The Bible's a pretty good book, but The Dirt is way up there" - Sebastian. I'm afraid of the movie.  Because I just know it's going to suck incredibly hard. Tommy may be a douchebag, but he's not the level of Ashton Kutcher. You just can't find four people to play them. And all the best parts will be cut out or "implied" because they're too explicit.

Boring. Not authentic. Completely ruins what makes the book great.[/quote]

Can't they just make the movie NC/17 then? So its more authentic?


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[fallenangel]

What? You didn't like Tommy's brilliant rapping? "Get-get-get-get naked!" Which I guess if I were married to Pam, that's all I'd be thinking to write about too. Maybe it's better he stuck with a subject he's slightly better at, rather than another "Brandon".

Tommy had dinner with one of the backstreet boys at Koi a year or two ago (talking about producing the kid's album). They were seen sharing off each other's plates. I think that goes above and beyond the gay chart.

[quote]Can't they just make the movie NC/17 then? So its more authentic?[/quote]

No. It'd turn into a 2 hour fuck fest. I'm sure they could work around the rating by not explicitly [i]showing[/i] a lot, but most of the best parts aren't real important to the story. They've technically got a span of 40 years to cover, something's gonna be cut, and the funny naughty parts are gonna be first. :(

It'll also probably turn into a lame, watered down soap opera like Rock Star was, but oh well. I do hope they end the movie the same way they end the book, with Nikki and Tommy meeting at the school. That could make a very nice, dramatic cinematic finish.
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[eclipsedmoongoddess482]

[quote]What? You didn't like Tommy's brilliant rapping? "Get-get-get-get naked!" Which I guess if I were married to Pam, that's all I'd be thinking to write about too. Maybe it's better he stuck with a subject he's slightly better at, rather than another "Brandon".
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The rap that he wrote while in jail is proof enough. Man was in the most gansta place he could get to and he still wrote some really lame verses. It was something about a prostitute and green goo and AIDS. Thats all I remember and I don't really feel like looking for it in my room.

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Can't they just make the movie NC/17 then? So its more authentic?



No.  It'd turn into a 2 hour f**k fest.  I'm sure they could work around the rating by not explicitly showing a lot, but most of the best parts aren't real important to the story. They've technically got a span of 40 years to cover, something's gonna be cut, and the funny naughty parts are gonna be first.

It'll also probably turn into a lame, watered down soap opera like Rock Star was, but oh well. I do hope they end the movie the same way they end the book, with Nikki and Tommy meeting at the school. That could make a very nice, dramatic cinematic finish. [/quote]


Yeah there is a lot to cover. They'll probably cut out the chapters about their childhoods as well or at least hint about how they got to where they would have to be to form the Crue.

Actually, they might have to go back for at least Mick because he thought of the name Motley Crue before he even met Nikki. I never heard of Rock Star but I really hope The Dirt doesn't get that sappy. I mean, its like the most in depth autobiography about rock that you can get and a crappy movie version would really suck then.

They really should end it like the book ended. But they might go even further ahead to when they reunited in 2004 to make Red White and Crue. That would be pretty cool to end with like a Red White and Crue concert but it wouldn't be as climatic as the book ending.

Why can't the band members just play as themselves if they're so concerned about accuracy with the character portrayals?
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[fallenangel]

The script or at least the general concept was created, presented, and I think approved quite awhile before the reunion. They may go in and add the reunion as a sort of hollywood happy Spinal Tap ending.

I think they'll probably start in LA. Skip the childhoods and go right to the time they're all living there. Maybe around the time Vince transferred to Tommy's school. That would give 'em a nice intro, anything earlier and it's a bit confusing "he lived here, he lived here, he moved here, he did this, and then he went here :wacko: ", anything much later and it's too rushed.

Either way, it won't be anywhere near as in depth as the book. Spare yourself the pain of seeing Rock Star, it's a pathetic attempt at making a serious movie about rock, but all it does is take the superficial drama and turn it into a soap. "OMG ur getting on the bus with those girls! I'm ur gf! I don't know if I can trust you. I'm going to leave" "Hey, mate, don't worry about your girl. She ain't here, relax, have fun"

Boring. Plus Mark Wahlberg plays the main character, who chose him as a rock star? Which I'm afraid is what The Dirt is going to be. The main points, shallow arguing, and people who have no business playing the roles.

I wish they could just play themselves. But the movie would never be made. There'd be a fight every 2 minutes, and Vince especially looks nothing like the tiny little blonde of '81.
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