"gothic Lolita"

LunaticCrow · Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject:

Aparently it's a fashion statement, ugly fat women and gay men parade around in frilly dresses and big shoes wearing a sickening amount of makeup.

Last time I checked, Lolita meant underage slut, not undesireable middleaged women and gays.

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Fayore · Moderator Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 6195

I've never understood the term "gothic lolita". Whenever someone mentions it, my brain goes, "wtf are you talking about?"

I remember one chick I was talking to said that her brother was into gothic lolita, like where people dressed up in big fancy black dresses, and I was like,"What the hell. Lolita is underage girl sex."

It bothers me that people use that [s]people use that term in general[/s] as a label for something unrelated. o.o;
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Touzoku-joou · Oldbie Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2399 Location: interweb

It's just old people who want to be seductive little ten year olds again.

Which brings me to my next question: Why is it still called "loli" if the little girl obviously does not approve of the sexual situation?
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Fayore · Moderator Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 6195

Haven't you seen those doujinshi?

They never [i]don't[/i] approve. :0

They're apparently too young to understand the right/wrong of it all, and as a result, they don't disapprove.

...

This is all speculation, of course. :ph34r:
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fallenangel · Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:

It's based on the character. A broader sense of cosplay.

Considering "lolita" was not originally little girl porn.
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Touzoku-joou · Oldbie Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2399 Location: interweb

[quote="Fayore (高位召"] Haven't you seen those doujinshi?

They never [i]don't[/i] approve. :0

They're apparently too young to understand the right/wrong of it all, and as a result, they don't disapprove.

...

This is all speculation, of course. :ph34r: [/quote]
Not all of them; those are the ones I'm talking about. I've seen plenty of disapproval on n4chan. D:
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Fayore · Moderator Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 6195

I know not of what you speak. I don't frequent any of the -chan boards.

My computer isn't in my room, yo.

[quote]Considering "lolita" was not originally little girl porn.[/quote]
Elaborate?
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SmilinJuanValdez · Member Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 63

Saw that used as a title for a drawing. Thing is - the drawing was SOOOO stolen - posted almost a year after I used it as a visual reference to make a drawing of my own. LOL and I felt bad for THAT.

fallenangel · Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:29 am Post subject:

There's a book from the 50s, Lolita, story of a pedophile really. But "lolita" became the general term for sexualized little girls, not explicit porn or "omg hump me now plz". So "gothic lolita" is a young girl in pretty clothing generally meant for much older women and the old english gothic look. A young girl in black and blue corset, lace, skirt, etc. would be lolita.

Other people dressing in the style is a broad cosplay to the stereotype. Men dressing up as the sailor moon characters are no more accurate.

Loli is just a bastardization of it, further sexualizing the girls to modern standards.
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SmilinJuanValdez · Member Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 63

Frankly I've grown sick of the term. Ever since that silly movie came out that my ex-girlfriend made me sit through....

LunaticCrow · Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:47 am Post subject:

[quote="fallenangel (fallen)"] There's a book from the 50s, Lolita. [/quote]
Vladimir Nabokov, do a amazon search, buy the book used.

Nobody ever researches the history behind the term, which is saddening. :\
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DragonicFlames · Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:35 am Post subject:

Hell I must have been stupid.. because I really didn't get what lolita was about... xDDD

I just thought it was a funny word that people made up to describe random things. Razz

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Sarah_K_O_M · Member Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 97

I always thought it was the Gothic style with skirts.

Beatlechick90 · Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject:

Personally I think the whole thing is sick, and why anyone would choose to make a trend out of it is beyond me. You could just say, Classic Goth or something like that

but no

we always have to sexualize

EVERYTHING

society blows!
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Sayka · Very bored Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 183

I didn't even know what a Lolita was until yesterday. Dx

fallenangel · Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject:

[quote] Vladimir Nabokov, do a amazon search, buy the book used.[/quote]

Yes, I know, I've read part of the book. Did anyone else need to know? Not really. A google search for "lolita" turns up 800 listings for the book.
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