Uhh? No addional Schooling?

[Gameglitch]

I found something that has been popping up a bit more lately when I look at jobs in the art field. I’ve been finding employers wanting people with no extra schooling, other then high school and offering 10+ dollars an hour. I’m thinking…. Is it really worth it these days to even go to school? I mean if you got the talent already and there are jobs that are willing to take you on, then why bother? Spend a load of cash for school just to make McDonald wages? In fact I find even in other job fields that employers rather have apprentices to work for them for cheap, rather then hiring full-fledged professionals.

[fallenangel]

It depends on the company, but for the most part the big boys will want a professional. There's also a difference between behaving like a pro and being formally trained. In art it's always been that the portfolio is more important than a piece of paper, and if you can produce the work without any training...good for you.

But the problem is that school doesn't just teach you how to produce work. They teach you the professional process, how to work with clients, how to work with a production team, how to put a presentation together, all the business side of things. Sure you can get in at the bottom and pick these things up as you go along, but it's generally a lot easier to know them from the get go.

What kinds of companies are specifically looking for untrained people? A lot don't [i]require[/i] additional school, but I don't know of any who specifically look for people like that. Generally they don't care one way or another if the portfolio and references are strong.
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[Gameglitch]

There is a company in Canada called Rayacom Inc that is starting up a new office in Vancouver that is looking for a graphic artist. They are a print and design company that appears to work with promotions of various products. They start training in April.

I was curious about how there are companies that are outreaching to just normal people with talent. Though I think its also away around from paying bigger dollars for hiring professionals. I guess it’s also away for a new comer to take that first step.

But for me I'm not struck about some of the subject matter that clients will get you to do. And as clients go, it's all about what they want. Id rather be the guy that has freedom to create (or recreate) something that I feel comfortable doing and set it up in some gallery somewhere or try and sell that new idea. (But unfortunately the real world don’t always work that way...)

[falkonns_flight]

Key word being 'training'. Grocery stores do this sort of thing, hiring people, training them (they're paid through training) and then putting them to work. I'd be careful, though, the noobies are usually given all the grudge work, the hard, crappy, useless things that no one else wants to do. I'd try it, just to say I did. Bt I get paid ten bucks an hour to be a receptionist, and I don't feel I get paid enough for all the stuff I have to do, and since being a graphic artist is much harder, I think the pay is relatively low for the position. Watch yourself on this one.
I'd recommend going to college though, the more education, the better the pay generally.
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[fallenangel]

That sounds more like a company just making it known that they don't require a degree. Some companies do (as a sign of the artist's commitment and assumed level of training with working to a deadline and whatnot), most just want a strong portfolio. Regardless of whether you have a degree, you [i]still[/i] have to be just as good and professional as any graduate (and if you don't, that's no company you want to be working for).
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[Gameglitch]

I failed to mention that it’s from 10 to 18 dollars an hour (but you can assume that it will be at 10 bucks). And there is some photograph work involved too. So I think you have to be a bit of everything visual etc.