Just to clear something up.

Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:04 am Post subject: Just to clear something up.

{{Reason I didn't post this in Random is because it always degrades to something I don't need to read.}}

You guys remember that one problem pic that was supposed copyright?

The one with an anime-ish look before it was edited?

And how, before it was edited, it had no hair? Or anything?

It's called a base, a pixel-art template, and it's called Dolling.

The base that was used was a Bunnystick's couple base. [url=http://www.bunnystick.com/]Click on Pixels. Go and read her Terms of Use.[/url]<Click that.

Now, you may say that this is copyright infringement, but if you do, that'll just be proof that you didn't read the terms of use on her - or any pixel artist's site. Look at her bases, read the descriptions.

Then go look at her dolls.

See?

This is NOT copyright infringement. Well, it could be if you were using a Rion-inspired base, and woah nelly, that was a mess when it got started, because some people still used bases made off his artwork. Anyway, most of that's done and done with.

Another amazing doller is Jaeden at [url=http://www.autumnpixels.com]Click this! Autumn Pixels[/url], with her realistic bases and amazing pixeling skills. She doesn't use Paint Shop Pro or Adobe.

She uses PAINT.

She does use an animation program, though.

A forum I go to is currently having a problem with some hackers, so I can't link to it because guests are blocked and new members are not allowed at the moment, but it's all about pixelart and dolling. There are some amazing pixel-artists there that use toolshading, and even better ones with pixeling each little dot.

Please, do not judge pixel-artists or dollists. However, just tell them to post the goddamn base link!!
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Stratadrake · Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:40 am Post subject:

While it is not officially stated in the rules page, [b]failing to provide proof of fair use can be considered copyright infringement[/b]. After all, not all websites allow it, and we can't really draw a line between the ones which do, and the ones which don't.

Suggest: Any 'doll' submission without source info may be subject to deletion. Warn the user about it, and if they don't fix it, it may be deleted by staff.

Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:21 am Post subject:

That's what I'm trying to say. I always try and put credit, but my mom keeps clearing out my favorites list, and that has all my favorite sites and the base sites and such.
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ragingflea002 · Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:15 am Post subject:

[quote]That's what I'm trying to say. I always try and put credit, but my mom keeps clearing out my favorites list, and that has all my favorite sites and the base sites and such.[/quote]
Bad excuse, IMHO.
That's what people say when they've been "hacked" or they're total asses without a reason.

Touzoku-joou · Oldbie Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2399 Location: interweb

I personally hate bases. Make your own damn pixelart. :/ But, whatever.

Explain to your mom that you need those sites so your art doesn't get deleted from FAC. If she still insists on being a tard, email yourself the links.
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Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject:

[quote][quote]That's what I'm trying to say. I always try and put credit, but my mom keeps clearing out my favorites list, and that has all my favorite sites and the base sites and such.[/quote]
Bad excuse, IMHO.
That's what people say when they've been "hacked" or they're total asses without a reason.[/quote]

Ragingflea, stfu. . . . .

I'm trying to make my own bases, but it's kiiinda hard to when your MSPaint program turns everything into a GIF eaten blob. . . . .

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Touzoku-joou · Oldbie Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2399 Location: interweb

Save it as a .bmp and only use the base for yourself.
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Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:03 am Post subject:

That's just it, though. I can't pixel bases worth crap. x-x The clothes and hair are no problem for me anymore - my first doll was absolutely terrible.
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fallenangel · Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:30 am Post subject:

Dolling is cheap. Last I checked "omgz it's hard n i cant do it" wasn't an excuse to be lazy or cheat, and using bases is most certainly cheating/a lame shortcut.

You cannot go to the fabric store, buy a pattern, make a stuffed bear and claim it as your creation just because you picked out the fabric and sewed button eyes on it. Dolling is no different. You let someone else do the hard part and slap your pretty finishing touches on it.

In every other genre, that's considered a craft, right there with the middle age housewives who buy those plaster things at Michaels and paint them.

Just because the end result looks good in some cases is no validation for the practice. If you want to do pixel art, [i]learn to draw the bodies[/i]. It's as simple as that. I have zero respect for anyone that uses other people's bases, and just because it's technically [i]legal[/i] does not make it that person's creation.

EDIT: And, given that pixel art by its nature should be done one pixel at a time or it's not really true pixel art, Paint is perfectly fine and in no way some amazing feat. People using photoshop or any other program should just be using the pencil tool anyway.
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Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:17 am Post subject:

Okay, I want to go on a rant, but I'm not going to. . . . .

I am so tired of people saying that it's not even two percent your own work, because it does involve a helluva lot of editing the lines on the clothing you're trying to draw.
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PhunkYMunkY · Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:01 am Post subject:

You can use the eraser tool in MSPaint to 'swap' colour for colour.

So maybe you're just doing it the hard way.

--About the rant thing.. it may be hard work, but it's not your design, inspiration, character, or initial effort. To be honest I'm not sure what to say. It seems other people have the respect to realise that it's not your own work so you don't showcase it as such. It's all well and good to do these things to practise.. but surely you want to show something off that you've worked hard on. Something you've really tried hard to make. Some picture that will make someone look a little longer than they would have. And you'll be able to tell a story of how you come up with the character and design and colours.. the inspiration and stuff. I think that's the whole point of creating art for an audience.
If you're not creating art to show off, keep it to yourself and use it to work on as practise and references. Who knows, start from a blank bitmap canvas and you might have some epiphany and create something incredible. Don't forget, you can save it and add to it later. I know a lot of people like to do everything in one go, but pixel art is a long, hard process.

It must have taken the origional artist a long time to create those graphics and I know s/he says that they don't mind if people use them for thier own art and practise but I'm sure there's a part of her that would like to keep them all to herself.

I forgot my point so I'm just gonna say that Fallen's right... now let's talk about Eddie Izzard.

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Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:11 am Post subject:

That is not what I am talking about! Gaahhh!!

*runs headfirst into a wall*... call an ambulance... please...
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fallenangel · Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject:

It may not be what you're talking about, but it is what you're saying. This isn't a new argument, far from it.

Bottom line is, dolling is EXACTLY like those women who go buy the plaster sculptures at Michaels and paint them. Someone else makes the foundation, the hard part, the structure, which you yourself admitted is too difficult, and then someone else adds the fun sparklies.

No one is saying the clothes draw themselves, but they are the finishing touches, the paint on the sculpture. If you can't draw the body, [i]the picture is not yours[/i]. It's a coloring book version of pixel art.

Things aren't judged by effort for how valid they are. People who just redraw someone else's painting with maybe a couple adjustments (something that happens a lot on some of the more pro-oriented forums), even if they worked for 40 hours on it and hand painted everything and it looks amazing, are cheap and do not deserve to show those paintings. And they'll be called on it.

Learn to draw the bodies. That's all there is to it.
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Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:02 am Post subject:

I would if my computer would let me download PSP X so I could make the damn bases. But my computer doesn't have even one GB of memory, so I'm kinda stuck.
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Squidman · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:13 am Post subject:

Like Fallen said before, Paint is a good enough program for pixel art.
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Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:27 am Post subject:

I meant for the making bases part. Pixeling the clothing and hair is just as hard as making bases. I know this. I've tried. Sadly, my computer crashed before I could save it. . . . .

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Touzoku-joou · Oldbie Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2399 Location: interweb

Paint IS good enough for making bases.

If it's just as hard, then make your own. You're not learning anything by doing this. Or, perhaps you are, but not much. I quit using bases and started doing my own pixelart a long time ago. Paint i one of my favorite mediums now <3

It's for the same reason that I hate Poser 3D art. It lacks the artist's personal touch.
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Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject:

Poser 3D art? What's that? Neutral

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fallenangel · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject:

I don't know what you want PSP for because even if you had it, all you would be using is the pencil tool (same one that is in Paint). Dodge/burn, gradient tools, and the like are not pixel art. You shade [i]by hand[/i], make a gradient [i]by hand[/i] (I believe Amy demonstrated different techniques once), and Paint is perfectly fine for all of it.
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Nilitac_Tesgrah · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject:

Actually, her gradients are mostly toolshaded. I did find a rather good gradient tutorial, but I can't figure out how to make the gradient in pixel... Other than using multiple layers in PSP.

EDIT: [url=http://www.fanart-central.net/pic-429869.html]This is one pixelart I did. It's huge. x-x I love the TV and all, but otherwise, hate the whole thing. Made it from scratch, it took three days. I originally wanted to put tiles. [/url]<Clicky.
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