Say, what's this voting thing I've noticed?

Triss · Member Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 51

I've noticed the little smilies at the bottom of every submission. What's this in aid of? Just curious, that's all.

Throttle · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:47 am Post subject:

Its like rating...
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cstdenis · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:00 am Post subject:

I thought is was rather self-explanatory. It allows you you vote a picture good or bad.

The tally of these votes will be used in a variety of places in the future. You can sort by votes using the "Score" sort option.

I also added another new feature that you can't see yet but once enough data is collected I think will make a very interesting addition to the site.

London · Moderator Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 6474

Interesting. Hm.

There's no way to see a rating yet, is there? Will there be?

Suggestion: maybe.. disable rating your [i]own[/i] pictures?
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GreenNinja · Still very bored Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 306

I don't have it in me to vote "bad" on a picture. It makes me feel disgusted with myself.

Trinity_Fire · Forum Stalker Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 1042

Hm. Yes, denis, you'll want to check on the self-voting thing.

As well, there's only 1 vote per user, right??

Will ANYONE get to see these stats? Will an artist get to see the votes on their OWN images?

But it is interesting, and it's fun.
...Is it anonymous, btw?? >>;

Also, somehow... somehow... I just get the feeling that this'll somehow lead to forms of abuse.
But if there's a 1-per user limit, that probably SHOULDN'T be too bad a problem...
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London · Moderator Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 6474

[quote]As well, there's only 1 vote per user, right?? [/quote]
Yeah. It remembers if you've already voted.
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Stratadrake · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject:

My thoughts:

- Maybe add a quick text description to the voting options. E.g., instead of [i]just[/i] smiley and frowny faces, have a:
[quote]Like it? Smile

[/quote]

- Self-voting must be prohibited as a rule. Do not display voting options when viewing own pics.

- Don't show voting options if a user has already voted on the piece they are viewing.

- Maybe add a neutral smiley to provide a middle ground between good/bad.

- Don't let the artist view the total scores for their submissions (don't want people complaining about receiving low overall scores, or what others' opinions are). Simply let them sort galleries by total score. If anyone should be able to see the total score for a piece, I'd say site staff only.

- Maybe add voting options to the gallery pages? (e.g., near the content advisories)
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cstdenis · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject:

You can vote on your own pictures -- Didn't consider it worth the effort to restrict. Very quickly pictures will have hundreds of votes, one more by the pictures creator will be a drop in the ocean.

Only one vote per user -- you can see for yourself if you try to double vote.

Pictures score (results of votes) is planned to be visible in the future.

[quote]Is it anonymous, btw[/quote]
Not to me Smile

But nobody else can see your votes.

neutral smiley can't really work for technical reasons

not showing votes where already voted would be rather resource intensive.

Blade · Still very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 264

I think the whole rating thing is rather sad, it will probably get a lot of the less experienced artists down.
Or what if you've drawn something that you feel very sensative about? There should definately be an option for the artist to disable voting for at least particular pictures, if not the whole gallery.

Maybe you could have at least a scale of one to five? For accuracy's sake.

And artists should definately be able to see the number of yes and no's they've recieved, or a score, or something, at least on their own picture.

Stratadrake · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject:

The larger the scale, the easier it is to abuse. (What's the halfway point on a 1-10 scale anyway, [i]seven?[/i])

Related suggestion I posted to the Funart boards: calculate the total score as a [i]percentage or ratio[/i] and not an absolute, tug-of-war style number. Then, having a "neutral" option [b]would[/b] work because it would tweak the score more towards the center of the scale.

A percentage scale would also eliminate "watcher bias", i.e., an artist with 500 people watching them is far more likely to get 100 "yes" votes than a better artist with only 100 people watching them.

Of course, we're not going to explain [i]exactly[/i] how the scoring system works, but one thing I can point out is that pre-existing pictures are initialized to the middle of the spectrum (the 50/50 mark, if you will).
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cstdenis · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:24 am Post subject:

Score is only really relevant within the same category.

Sure a crappy Inuyasha or Naruto picture will probably get a higher score than a really skilled piece of original art, but thats ok because their scores are not being compared.

If people can't deal with criticism, they shouldn't be showing their work off....at all. Its no different than getting negative comments.

jhonenfreak · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:37 am Post subject:

A way to view art in order from awesomest to crappiest! Yay! I've been waiting for something like this. Great system, Denis. :thumbs up:
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Blade · Still very bored Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 264

I think it is definately good in those regards. And personally I like it.
My point was simply that some people might not.

Also, I think it should be a persentage, like Stratadrake said, but at the same time the number of votes should have a big deal to do with it. For instance, it is not fair for someone to have one Smile

vote and have 100% while one has a whole lot more votes but has a lower percentage.
Ones with the most votes are sure to have a lower score because more people have voted, and even if it is a good pic, there are always those who vote negatively, so while it might not be really low, it would be closer to a middle percent.
Gah...I hope that made sense.

Stratadrake · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:18 am Post subject:

Yes, percentages are easily skewed when the total # of votes is low.

Well . . . we'll just have to see how the system works for now and refine it along the way.
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jhonenfreak · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:

Whenever I try to sort by rating the page just says "No category specified".
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fallenangel · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject:

There's a reason other sites get rid of this. Just sayin'.
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Stratadrake · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:

But it [i]does[/i] work for some sites. It's at least worth a good test.
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Sora121 · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:30 am Post subject:

Testing this is a good idea. but now to the points made before, this vote thing can be turned off, right? i'm not speaking for any one else when i say this but, i just don't see a relevance to the system with this as an extra way to sort pictures. of course it still needs to be tested and i am willing to go that far before i say it's not good for the users or the system itself.

Thinking of the voting system it states to the users that th eartist is good, right? but good to what sence of artisty? I'm proposing the voting system be tested first to see how it works through, of course. but latter people will want to know at what theme or art type the artist is good at. meaning that there should be votes for these seperate topics of art and what section of art the artist is good at.

jhonenfreak · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject:

[quote]But it [i]does[/i] work for some sites.[/quote]

It works for http://pixeljoint.com
Ratings from 1-6 determin the weekly showcase as well as the overall top 100. Ratings used to be from 1-5, but they recently changed it because of all the varying skill levels.
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